[Rhodes22-list] (politics) See with a little work we can reach common ground

Mon Jun 23 10:17:50 EDT 2008

Rob,

If by "they" you mean al Qaeda you are correct.  We made some serious
mistakes after the fall of Bahgdad, including disbanding the Iraqi army and
not keeping Sunni civil servants in power.  The Sunni's never gave up hope
of being restored to the ruling party, didn't participate in the first round
of elections, and sided with the al Qaeda (with logistal support from Iran)
to fight the US occupation force.  Once the Iraqi's decided that al Qaeda
had raped one too many 12 year old boys and 13 year old girls, both sides of
the "civil war" sided with the US and now al Qaeda is on the ropes and even
by their own admission, they can't recruit new "freedom fighters" for Iraq.
The Maliki government has met or is meeting most of the political mileposts
set by the Democrats in Congress (not that you read about it in the press).
Will they return to a civil war after we leave?  Know one knows for sure but
it would be inhumane to wish for that just in the interest of scoring cheap
political points.

If you are so precient that you know what tomorrow will bring, can you spare
some time for me to go over some of my investments?

Brad

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:

> Well, let's see.  We invaded their country and they'll trying to kill
> our soldiers.  Seems pretty obvious.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Herb Parsons
> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:47 PM
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>  Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] (politics) See with a little work we can
> reach common ground
>
> Rob, where are you getting your information that "they do not want us
> there"?
>
> Rob Lowe wrote:
> > Now THAT's history written like you won't find in the books.  Thanks,
> John,
> > for a refreshing look at it.  That's pretty much the way I understand
> and
> > remember it too.  Yes, the Vietnamese and Chinese are long time
> adversaries
> > and they did fight a border war after we withdrew.  Vietnam was
> another war
> > where flawed policy and beliefs led to a war we could not win.  Uncle
> Ho
> > wanted the invaders out of the country, be it the French, the
> Americans, or
> > the Chinese.  An invader can not win a long term war against a
> determined
> > foe that wants them out of there.  The examples are many.  All the
> colonial
> > powers have withdrawn from their former colonies (anyone remember the
> > Colonies vs. England?).  That's why McCain's plans for Iraq are
> doomed.
> > I'll say it again, we can not and will not win in Iraq over the long
> haul.
> > We invaded their country and they do not want us there.  They are
> tolerating
> > us for now (like they have a choice, we do rule the country).  I'm
> very
> > curious to see what happens when the UN mandate expires at the end of
> the
> > year.  After that, the US will have no legal authority to remain in
> the
> > country.  If the current talks between the administration and the
> Iraqi
> > government do not result in an agreement (which sounds very iffy at
> the
> > moment), then the next president won't have to worry about pulling out
> or
> > not, we'll have to.  Unless the administration intends to ignore the
> rest of
> > the worlds opinion.  Of wait, already done that.
> >
> > Speaking of beer, off to the bar!  Time to stop thinking and start
> > drinking! - rob
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Shulick" <jsbudda at verizon.net>
> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] See with a little work we can reach
> common
> > ground
> >
> >
> >
> >> Brad,
> >>
> >>      I like beer too !
> >>
> >> As for the rest
> >>
> >>
> >> Neither of these guys are the 'sharpest knives in the drawer'.  If
> McCain
> >> had a clue he would have explained to his torturers, "look guys, life
> for
> >> your friends the Chinese really sucks right now.  They've shut down
> all
> >>
> > the
> >
> >> universities and smart kids your age are out in rice paddies picking
> >>
> > leeches
> >
> >> off their legs.  Eventually the Chinese will quit this silly nonsense
> and
> >> start building toasters for WalMart and you guys will be stuck making
> >> underwear.  In the meantime, Uncle Ho and his buddies will kill 3
> million
> >>
> > of
> >
> >> your countrymen and another million will head to sea and eventually
> in up
> >>
> > in
> >
> >> the US and buy of hotels and convenience stores and stuff. I
> apologize for
> >> President Truman ignoring Uncle Ho's request for assistance back in
> the
> >>
> > late
> >
> >> 40's, but the French needed their asses pulled out of the fire again
> (I
> >> know, you'd think saving them from the Nazi's would have been enough
> but
> >> then we had to save them from the Communists). Why don't you guys put
> down
> >> the sticks and let me explain a little capitalism and econ101 to
> you".
> >>
> >> Unless my knowledge is faulty I believe the backer of the North
> Vietnamese
> >> was the old Soviet Union and not the Chinese who were busy carrying
> out
> >> there "cultural revolution" of Mao and trying to produce iron in
> peasants
> >> backyards. We ignored Ho's requests because french plantation owners'
> >>
> > didn't
> >
> >> want to lose access to their slave labor force and we were backing
> >>
> > DeGaulle
> >
> >> and any petty thug or warlord that promised to fight the Red Menace
> >> (remember the Shaw of Iran and his secret police). After we left
> China and
> >> Nam fought a conventional boarder war around 1980 (not totally sure
> of the
> >> date sorry) which Nam won or now it would be a Chinese provence.
> >>
> >> That assumes of course that McCain understands economics himself
> which by
> >> his own admission, isn't his strong suit. That said, I'll take
> someone
> >>
> > with
> >
> >> a weak foundation in capitalism over someone who understands Marxist
> >>
> > theory
> >
> >> all too well.
> >>
> >> I am terrified with the thought of a POTUS with a weak foundation of
> >> capitalism. The U.S. had pretty much unrestrained capitalism from its
> >> formation to 1932 and what was the result? 60 hr work weeks,
> >> sweatshops, sharecropping, child labor, no safety standards, the
> company
> >> store. Unrestrained capitalism is why I now have federal mine
> subsidence
> >> insurance the superfund to clean up toxic waste dumps and its my
> money
> >>
> > that
> >
> >> is paying for this while the offspring of the Slimeballs who did this
> live
> >> in the Hamptons and vacation in the Bahamas.  I never met either of
> my
> >> grandfathers. both died in their 40s' form overwork in the mills that
> made
> >> the money to build Carnegie Hall. But I did see the medallion that
> one of
> >> them left behind that was given to him for 30 years of service,
> stamped
> >>
> > out
> >
> >> of stainless steel they were to cheap to use silver. My grandmother
> told
> >>
> > me
> >
> >> when she was young she remembers company goons kicking the door in on
> >>
> > random
> >
> >> searches the company carried out to make sure no employees were
> stealing.
> >>
> > 4
> >
> >> generations of people in the Pgh. area busted their butts and fought
> in 2
> >> world wars to create the capital that then turned its back to the
> city and
> >> found fresh slaves in Mexico and China. I'll take my chance on the
> >> Obamination as you would call him because I've seen the results of
> >> capitalism and unless you happen to be fortunate enough to be born
> into
> >>
> > the
> >
> >> upper classes you're pretty much screwed. Please don't bother to
> reply
> >>
> > with
> >
> >> any rags to riches bullshit stories, for every one cited  I could
> recite
> >> 1000 others who worked just as hard and got nowhere for their
> efforts.
> >>
> > There
> >
> >> was a man named Hall who worked for Westinghouse in the late 50's or
> early
> >> 60's who invented the process for making artificial diamonds, for his
> >> discovery the company in is overwhelming gratitude awarded him a $25
> >>
> > savings
> >
> >> bond. Wonder how much they made on that since then?
> >>
> >> But I do like beer especially Pa. beer (I buy local and don't shop at
> >> Chink-mart either)
> >>
> >> Keep em coming
> >> John Shulick
> >>
> >>          "Resistance is futile you will be assimilated" The Borg.
> >>
> >>
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