[Rhodes22-list] (politics) See with a little work we can reach common ground
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Mon Jun 23 10:35:58 EDT 2008
Brad,
I'm beginning to worry about you. You keep muddying up this "discussion"
with facts. Shame on you.
Brad Haslett wrote:
> Rob,
>
> If by "they" you mean al Qaeda you are correct. We made some serious
> mistakes after the fall of Bahgdad, including disbanding the Iraqi army and
> not keeping Sunni civil servants in power. The Sunni's never gave up hope
> of being restored to the ruling party, didn't participate in the first round
> of elections, and sided with the al Qaeda (with logistal support from Iran)
> to fight the US occupation force. Once the Iraqi's decided that al Qaeda
> had raped one too many 12 year old boys and 13 year old girls, both sides of
> the "civil war" sided with the US and now al Qaeda is on the ropes and even
> by their own admission, they can't recruit new "freedom fighters" for Iraq.
> The Maliki government has met or is meeting most of the political mileposts
> set by the Democrats in Congress (not that you read about it in the press).
> Will they return to a civil war after we leave? Know one knows for sure but
> it would be inhumane to wish for that just in the interest of scoring cheap
> political points.
>
> If you are so precient that you know what tomorrow will bring, can you spare
> some time for me to go over some of my investments?
>
> Brad
>
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>
>
>> Well, let's see. We invaded their country and they'll trying to kill
>> our soldiers. Seems pretty obvious.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Herb Parsons
>> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:47 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] (politics) See with a little work we can
>> reach common ground
>>
>> Rob, where are you getting your information that "they do not want us
>> there"?
>>
>> Rob Lowe wrote:
>>
>>> Now THAT's history written like you won't find in the books. Thanks,
>>>
>> John,
>>
>>> for a refreshing look at it. That's pretty much the way I understand
>>>
>> and
>>
>>> remember it too. Yes, the Vietnamese and Chinese are long time
>>>
>> adversaries
>>
>>> and they did fight a border war after we withdrew. Vietnam was
>>>
>> another war
>>
>>> where flawed policy and beliefs led to a war we could not win. Uncle
>>>
>> Ho
>>
>>> wanted the invaders out of the country, be it the French, the
>>>
>> Americans, or
>>
>>> the Chinese. An invader can not win a long term war against a
>>>
>> determined
>>
>>> foe that wants them out of there. The examples are many. All the
>>>
>> colonial
>>
>>> powers have withdrawn from their former colonies (anyone remember the
>>> Colonies vs. England?). That's why McCain's plans for Iraq are
>>>
>> doomed.
>>
>>> I'll say it again, we can not and will not win in Iraq over the long
>>>
>> haul.
>>
>>> We invaded their country and they do not want us there. They are
>>>
>> tolerating
>>
>>> us for now (like they have a choice, we do rule the country). I'm
>>>
>> very
>>
>>> curious to see what happens when the UN mandate expires at the end of
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> year. After that, the US will have no legal authority to remain in
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> country. If the current talks between the administration and the
>>>
>> Iraqi
>>
>>> government do not result in an agreement (which sounds very iffy at
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> moment), then the next president won't have to worry about pulling out
>>>
>> or
>>
>>> not, we'll have to. Unless the administration intends to ignore the
>>>
>> rest of
>>
>>> the worlds opinion. Of wait, already done that.
>>>
>>> Speaking of beer, off to the bar! Time to stop thinking and start
>>> drinking! - rob
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "John Shulick" <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] See with a little work we can reach
>>>
>> common
>>
>>> ground
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Brad,
>>>>
>>>> I like beer too !
>>>>
>>>> As for the rest
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Neither of these guys are the 'sharpest knives in the drawer'. If
>>>>
>> McCain
>>
>>>> had a clue he would have explained to his torturers, "look guys, life
>>>>
>> for
>>
>>>> your friends the Chinese really sucks right now. They've shut down
>>>>
>> all
>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>
>>>> universities and smart kids your age are out in rice paddies picking
>>>>
>>>>
>>> leeches
>>>
>>>
>>>> off their legs. Eventually the Chinese will quit this silly nonsense
>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>> start building toasters for WalMart and you guys will be stuck making
>>>> underwear. In the meantime, Uncle Ho and his buddies will kill 3
>>>>
>> million
>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>
>>>> your countrymen and another million will head to sea and eventually
>>>>
>> in up
>>
>>> in
>>>
>>>
>>>> the US and buy of hotels and convenience stores and stuff. I
>>>>
>> apologize for
>>
>>>> President Truman ignoring Uncle Ho's request for assistance back in
>>>>
>> the
>>
>>> late
>>>
>>>
>>>> 40's, but the French needed their asses pulled out of the fire again
>>>>
>> (I
>>
>>>> know, you'd think saving them from the Nazi's would have been enough
>>>>
>> but
>>
>>>> then we had to save them from the Communists). Why don't you guys put
>>>>
>> down
>>
>>>> the sticks and let me explain a little capitalism and econ101 to
>>>>
>> you".
>>
>>>> Unless my knowledge is faulty I believe the backer of the North
>>>>
>> Vietnamese
>>
>>>> was the old Soviet Union and not the Chinese who were busy carrying
>>>>
>> out
>>
>>>> there "cultural revolution" of Mao and trying to produce iron in
>>>>
>> peasants
>>
>>>> backyards. We ignored Ho's requests because french plantation owners'
>>>>
>>>>
>>> didn't
>>>
>>>
>>>> want to lose access to their slave labor force and we were backing
>>>>
>>>>
>>> DeGaulle
>>>
>>>
>>>> and any petty thug or warlord that promised to fight the Red Menace
>>>> (remember the Shaw of Iran and his secret police). After we left
>>>>
>> China and
>>
>>>> Nam fought a conventional boarder war around 1980 (not totally sure
>>>>
>> of the
>>
>>>> date sorry) which Nam won or now it would be a Chinese provence.
>>>>
>>>> That assumes of course that McCain understands economics himself
>>>>
>> which by
>>
>>>> his own admission, isn't his strong suit. That said, I'll take
>>>>
>> someone
>>
>>> with
>>>
>>>
>>>> a weak foundation in capitalism over someone who understands Marxist
>>>>
>>>>
>>> theory
>>>
>>>
>>>> all too well.
>>>>
>>>> I am terrified with the thought of a POTUS with a weak foundation of
>>>> capitalism. The U.S. had pretty much unrestrained capitalism from its
>>>> formation to 1932 and what was the result? 60 hr work weeks,
>>>> sweatshops, sharecropping, child labor, no safety standards, the
>>>>
>> company
>>
>>>> store. Unrestrained capitalism is why I now have federal mine
>>>>
>> subsidence
>>
>>>> insurance the superfund to clean up toxic waste dumps and its my
>>>>
>> money
>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>
>>>> is paying for this while the offspring of the Slimeballs who did this
>>>>
>> live
>>
>>>> in the Hamptons and vacation in the Bahamas. I never met either of
>>>>
>> my
>>
>>>> grandfathers. both died in their 40s' form overwork in the mills that
>>>>
>> made
>>
>>>> the money to build Carnegie Hall. But I did see the medallion that
>>>>
>> one of
>>
>>>> them left behind that was given to him for 30 years of service,
>>>>
>> stamped
>>
>>> out
>>>
>>>
>>>> of stainless steel they were to cheap to use silver. My grandmother
>>>>
>> told
>>
>>> me
>>>
>>>
>>>> when she was young she remembers company goons kicking the door in on
>>>>
>>>>
>>> random
>>>
>>>
>>>> searches the company carried out to make sure no employees were
>>>>
>> stealing.
>>
>>> 4
>>>
>>>
>>>> generations of people in the Pgh. area busted their butts and fought
>>>>
>> in 2
>>
>>>> world wars to create the capital that then turned its back to the
>>>>
>> city and
>>
>>>> found fresh slaves in Mexico and China. I'll take my chance on the
>>>> Obamination as you would call him because I've seen the results of
>>>> capitalism and unless you happen to be fortunate enough to be born
>>>>
>> into
>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>
>>>> upper classes you're pretty much screwed. Please don't bother to
>>>>
>> reply
>>
>>> with
>>>
>>>
>>>> any rags to riches bullshit stories, for every one cited I could
>>>>
>> recite
>>
>>>> 1000 others who worked just as hard and got nowhere for their
>>>>
>> efforts.
>>
>>> There
>>>
>>>
>>>> was a man named Hall who worked for Westinghouse in the late 50's or
>>>>
>> early
>>
>>>> 60's who invented the process for making artificial diamonds, for his
>>>> discovery the company in is overwhelming gratitude awarded him a $25
>>>>
>>>>
>>> savings
>>>
>>>
>>>> bond. Wonder how much they made on that since then?
>>>>
>>>> But I do like beer especially Pa. beer (I buy local and don't shop at
>>>> Chink-mart either)
>>>>
>>>> Keep em coming
>>>> John Shulick
>>>>
>>>> "Resistance is futile you will be assimilated" The Borg.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>
>>>>
>> http://www.nabble.com/The-Post-Turtle-%28Humor-Political%29-tp17936590p1
>> 7991499.html
>>
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