[Rhodes22-list] Mac 26M; bunkmate

elle watermusic38 at yahoo.com
Fri Jun 27 14:00:11 EDT 2008 

Mike,

If I pushed the correct buttons on my caculator that comes out to @2.7 MPG.

elle

We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.

 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)


--- On Fri, 6/27/08, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:

> From: Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mac 26M; bunkmate
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 1:25 PM
> Elle,
> 
> Even weirder (is that a word?) pulling a skier.  At 20 mph
> the mpg falls to 
> 31% of the quoted mpg.
> 
> Since I motor at 3-4 mph, I like their "burn
> rate" of 0.20 gph.  I think 
> that my Suzuki DT7.5 runs at 0.7 gph at that speed.  Hey
> Stan, can I hang a 
> 320 lbs 75 HP Etec on my R22?  Twice?
> 
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> From: "elle" <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>Sent:
> Friday, June 27, 2008 1:15 PM
> > It just looks really WEIRD to see a sailboat up on
> plane.
> >
> > elle
> >
> > We can't change the angle of the wind....but we
> can adjust our sails.
> >
> > 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"
>   (Lady in Red)
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 6/27/08, Michael D. Weisner
> <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Michael D. Weisner
> <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mac 26M; bunkmate
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 1:04 PM
> >> Elle,
> >>
> >> Gotta love a "sailboat" that only lists
> the
> >> following items in the "Performance
> Summary" on
> >> the spec sheet (
> >> http://www.hunterowners.com/images/edge/specs.pdf
> ):
> >>
> >>         PERFORMANCE SUMMARY
> >>         Best Fuel Efficiency: 8.7 MPG with a range
> of 94
> >> Miles @ 6.7 MPH
> >>         Top Speed: 19.9 MPH
> >>         Acceleration: 5.71 seconds to plane
> >>
> >> Now if I could do this trick under sail, I might
> consider
> >> theEdge:
> >>
> http://www.sailboatowners.com/forums/fpix.tpl?xfno=2&uid=73293228873&sku=2008168154531.46
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>
> >>
> >> From: "elle"
> <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>Sent:
> >> Friday, June 27, 2008 12:46 PM
> >> > Here's an entrant into the field from
> Hunter:
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.sailboatowners.com/forums/pviewall.tpl?uid=73293228873&sku=2008168154531.46&forumabr=aao&fno=2
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > elle
> >> >
> >> > We can't change the angle of the
> wind....but we
> >> can adjust our sails.
> >> >
> >> > 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06 
> "WaterMusic"
> >>   (Lady in Red)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- On Fri, 6/27/08, Robert Skinner
> >> <robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> From: Robert Skinner
> >> <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fun and
> Games with A
> >> Mac 26M, reply
> >> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >> Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 12:34 PM
> >> >> Ed,
> >> >>
> >> >> I do think that MacGregor is having some
> problems.
> >>
> >> >> When they killed the 26X in favor of the
> 26M, they
> >>
> >> >> omitted/changed some of the features that
> >> attracted
> >> >> the casual boat owner and added some that
> were of
> >> >> questionable value.  The 26M (IMHO) is
> not as
> >> >> attractive as the 26X.
> >> >>
> >> >> Given the construction and delivery chain
> problems
> >>
> >> >> alluded to in Jay Hersh's note, there
> is some
> >> remedial
> >> >> work to be done, if only to the face
> presented to
> >> the
> >> >> public.  There was a Mac rep in Maine,
> but he
> >> dropped
> >> >> the Mac line when the 26M came out.
> >> >>
> >> >> Stan certainly has nothing to fear from
> the 26M.
> >> >>
> >> >> /Robert
> >> >>
> >>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> Tootle wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Robert,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And Stan thought he had issues with
> his
> >> people.  He
> >> >> ought to read it to his
> >> >> > guys, that is, if he can translate
> it to
> >> Spanish.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And Stan knows the head fellow of
> MacGregor!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If only half of this is true, I
> guess it
> >> means that
> >> >> MacGregor is going
> >> >> > under.  However, the dealer who
> delivered
> >> should have
> >> >> taken time to check it
> >> >> > out.  Car dealerships used to check
> out a car
> >> prior to
> >> >> delivery.  Quick way
> >> >> > to ruin a business.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On the otherhand, this guy may lack
> ordinary
> >> common
> >> >> boat sense and expect
> >> >> > after a long trip that everything is
> perfect.
> >>  That is
> >> >> why Stan either goes
> >> >> > thru the basics at the plant if it
> is a pick
> >> up or
> >> >> sends an experienced
> >> >> > person to assist with the initial
> set up.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Ed K
> >> >> > Greenville, SC, USA
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18154416/economics%2B101.jpg
> >> >> economics+101.jpg
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Robert Skinner wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I received the following
> message from a
> >> fellow
> >> >> sailor,
> >> >> > > and thought I'd pass it on.
>  While I
> >> have not
> >> >> verified
> >> >> > > the details and cannot vouch
> for the
> >> accuracy
> >> >> thereof,
> >> >> > > the general tone seems to
> indicate
> >> caution where
> >> >> Macs
> >> >> > > are concerned...
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > /Robert
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > -------- Original Message
> --------
> >> >> > > Subject: re: August sail
> >> >> > > Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:20:27
> -0400
> >> >> > > From: "Jay Hersh aka Dr.
> >> Beer(R)"
> >> >> <jsh at doctorbeer.com>
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > We bought a MacGregor 26M from
> a
> >> Colorado dealer
> >> >> named Kelly Hanson
> >> >> > > because
> >> >> > > they had showed at the Boston
> boat show
> >> and there
> >> >> are no MacGregor dealers
> >> >> > > for 400 miles so it was going
> to have to
> >> be
> >> >> shipped to us anyway. We
> >> >> > > ordered it in March and Kelly
> Hanson got
> >> the
> >> >> check on April 1st. It
> >> >> > > cleared
> >> >> > > my bank account April 3rd, and
> sincethis
> >> takes 2
> >> >> days for out of state
> >> >> > > checks, they must have
> deposited the day
> >> they got
> >> >> it. That was the last
> >> >> > > thing about this transaction
> they did in
> >> a prompt
> >> >> manner. The boat didn't
> >> >> > > arrive until Memorial Day, a
> month late.
> >> It is
> >> >> riddled with problems.
> >> >> > > Major
> >> >> > > problems.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > - Engine won't go into
> reverse and
> >> starts in
> >> >> gear because the throttle
> >> >> > > cable was not installed
> correctly.
> >> >> > > - the Engine wasn't
> inspected by an
> >> >> authorized dealer BRP, the parent
> >> >> > > company of Evinrude, won't
> validate
> >> the
> >> >> warranty until I have this done.
> >> >> > > - Steering linkage was either a
> bad
> >> design or
> >> >> incorrectly installed
> >> >> > > because
> >> >> > > you can't turn to starboard
> >> >> > > - the trailer torsion bars were
> never
> >> adjusted so
> >> >> the fenders were rubbing
> >> >> > > the tires. Because the flatbed
> that was
> >> supposed
> >> >> to deliver it from CO
> >> >> > > broke down in PA the trailer
> was towed
> >> by some
> >> >> 3rd party shipper the last
> >> >> > > 400 miles. This resulted in the
> side
> >> light wiring
> >> >> chafing away.
> >> >> > > - Speaker wire was used to
> extend the
> >> 14AWG
> >> >> marine grade wire that
> >> >> > > connects
> >> >> > > the 30 Amp main switch panel to
> the
> >> battery.
> >> >> > > - the connection between the 30
> Amp
> >> panel and the
> >> >> battery had a 10 Amp
> >> >> > > fuse
> >> >> > > wired inline, not a 30 Amp. So
> if you
> >> flipped
> >> >> more than one switch on the
> >> >> > > panel the fuse would blow
> >> >> > > - the 12 volt power socket
> which has 20
> >> guage
> >> >> wiring and is designed for
> >> >> > > no
> >> >> > > more than 10 Amps had the 30
> Amp inline
> >> fuse
> >> >> wired into it
> >> >> > > - the engine wasn't
> connected to the
> >> >> batteries via the battery selection
> >> >> > > switch
> >> >> > > - the 2nd battery I was sold
> ($195 for
> >> the
> >> >> battery, Perko battery switch
> >> >> > > and installation) was a 75 Amp
> trolling
> >> motor
> >> >> battery
> >> >> > > - the main battery on the boat
> was a 450
> >> Amp, not
> >> >> the proper size for the
> >> >> > > ETec 50HP engine I ordered
> which the
> >> manufacturer
> >> >> spec says should have a
> >> >> > > max cranking amperage of 1000
> Amps
> >> >> > > - the stereo I bought was
> advertised and
> >> invoiced
> >> >> as a "Marine" stereo but
> >> >> > > instead a car stereo was
> installed. It
> >> was
> >> >> installed in the wrong place
> >> >> > > and
> >> >> > > it wasn't even hooked up
> right.
> >> there was no
> >> >> fuse in the inline fuse
> >> >> > > holder
> >> >> > > and the wire on the positive
> wasn't
> >> stripped
> >> >> before being crimped in the
> >> >> > > connector end
> >> >> > > - They stiffed me for the main
> sheet,
> >> genoa sheet
> >> >> and genoa cars
> >> >> > > - The $495 Genoa that is
> advertised as
> >> having a
> >> >> sewn on UV cover didn't
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > This is just the short list.
> There are 2
> >> full
> >> >> pages of defects on this
> >> >> > > boat.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > When I tried to contact Kelly
> Hanson
> >> both the
> >> >> Sales Director who had sold
> >> >> > > me the boat (Jeff Stagg) and
> the Chief
> >> Financial
> >> >> Officer (Andrew Etzen)
> >> >> > > who
> >> >> > > I'd also dealt with
> previously
> >> ignored
> >> >> repeated emails and calls. I posted
> >> >> > > something on the MacGregor
> Sailors web
> >> page and
> >> >> the owner of the company
> >> >> > > Art Kelly called me names and
> said that
> >> if
> >> >> I'd only called him he'd have
> >> >> > > corrected everything. So I
> called him
> >> and he said
> >> >> to email him the list of
> >> >> > > problems and the pics I took of
> them.
> >> That was
> >> >> three weeks ago, and as you
> >> >> > > might be guessing he didn't
> respond
> >> to my
> >> >> email.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Next I contacted the East Coast
> Sales
> >> Rep who
> >> >> only recently started with
> >> >> > > them and works part time while
> having a
> >> day job.
> >> >> He's a nice guy and he
> >> >> > > came out to my house near
> Boston two
> >> weeks aga
> >> >> and took a look at the
> >> >> > > lemon
> >> >> > > of a boat they sent me
> (we've
> >> nicknamed it
> >> >> the Albatross for now) and when
> >> >> > > I told him that I should be
> getting
> >> refunded at
> >> >> lesat some of my $ for the
> >> >> > > slipshod work his reply was
> that calling
> >> it
> >> >> slipshod "was being kind." He
> >> >> > > put together an action list and
> sent it
> >> out to
> >> >> Colorado. The CO office has
> >> >> > > done nothing. They haven't
> bothered
> >> to doing
> >> >> even the easy stuff on the
> >> >> > > action list like mailing me the
> missing
> >> parts and
> >> >> they have yet to send me
> >> >> > > a dime.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I've had to shell out $300
> to have
> >> the
> >> >> trailer repaired earlier this week
> >> >> > > so I could tow it to the
> closest
> >> Evinrude dealer
> >> >> to have the warranty
> >> >> > > inspection done, the throttle
> properly
> >> connected
> >> >> and a battery sized for
> >> >> > > starting this engine installed.
> >> That's going
> >> >> to cost a bunch more $.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > In the meantime Kelly Hanson is
> blaming
> >> MacGregor
> >> >> for some of these
> >> >> > > problems since it's a
> custom built
> >> trailer
> >> >> and MacGregor installed the
> >> >> > > engine. They haven't owned
> up to the
> >> >> miserable and hazardous wiring job
> >> >> > > they did and refunded me the $
> for the
> >> labor on
> >> >> it or the cost of the
> >> >> > > stereo plus installation.
> Summer starts
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > The hybrid power sailer of the
> MacGregor
> >> is in
> >> >> principle a good design.
> >> >> > > MacGregor itself cuts just
> about every
> >> corner
> >> >> they can to squeeze a $1
> >> >> > > more
> >> >> > > profit out it. They make claims
> about
> >> the boat
> >> >> that just plain aren't true
> >> >> > > which I won't go into those
> here.
> >> They
> >> >> don't stand behind their 2 year
> >> >> > > warranty, and they aren't
> even
> >> remotely close
> >> >> to being qualified to
> >> >> > > install
> >> >> > > engines on their boats.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Kelly Hanson has a nice web
> site.
> >> They've
> >> >> been selling MacGregors for 1.5
> >> >> > > to 2 years and have become the
> largest
> >> reseller.
> >> >> Almost nothing Jeff Stagg
> >> >> > > their sales Director told me
> about the
> >> boat
> >> >> before I bought it is true. He
> >> >> > > misrepresented so many things
> about it I
> >> >> don't know where to start. There
> >> >> > > is no supervision of whoever is
> doing
> >> the install
> >> >> work on the boats of the
> >> >> > > options they sell, and despite
> a lot of
> >> huffing
> >> >> and puffing from Art Kelly
> >> >> > > (who also runs Freedom Boat
> Works) they
> >> don't
> >> >> stand behind the boats they
> >> >> > > sell.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > So just like Ishmail in Moby
> Dick,
> >> I'm here
> >> >> to tell you my tale so that
> >> >> > > you
> >> >> > > might avoid my fate. Think
> twice or even
> >> thrice
> >> >> before you decide to buy a
> >> >> > > MacGregor because even if it is
> >> delivered in the
> >> >> condition it is supposed
> >> >> > > to you'll spend lots and
> lots of
> >> money and
> >> >> time just replacing the cheap
> >> >> > > hardware they use (most of
> which is
> >> designed for
> >> >> much smaller day sailers)
> >> >> > > with quality stuff. Definitely
> DO NOT
> >> BUY A BOAT
> >> >> FROM KELLY HANSON
> >> >> > > MARINE!!!! Tell anyone you know
> that
> >> might be
> >> >> thinking of buying a
> >> >> > > MacGregor not to buy from Kelly
> Hanson
> >> Marine.
> >> >> Tell them to tell everyone
> >> >> > > they know. Believe me
> you'll be
> >> doing people
> >> >> you never even met a huge,
> >> >> > > huge favor.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > If the boat weren't in the
> shop
> >> I'd
> >> >> probably be working another 10-12 hour
> >> >> > > day on it in the fading hope of
> getting
> >> to sail
> >> >> it this year instead of
> >> >> > > writing this email.
> >> >> > > Hope all your summers go better
> than
> >> mine has
> >> >> started out.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Jay
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > PS I've created the website
> >> >> KellyHansonMarineSucks.com and will be
> posting
> >> >> > > a list of the defects the boat
> arrived
> >> with,
> >> >> pictures of the slipshod work
> >> >> > > that was done by them and
> MacGregor, the
> >> timeline
> >> >> of events, and other
> >> >> > > details.
> >> >> > >
> >> >>
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> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18154416/economics%2B101.jpg
> >> >> economics+101.jpg
> >> >> > --
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> >> >>
> >>
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> >> >> Robert Skinner  "Squirrel
> Haven"
> >> >> Gorham, Maine         04038-1331
> >> >> s/v "Little Dipper" &
> "Edith
> >> P."
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