[Rhodes22-list] Ron Lipton's Political Glee

Sun Mar 9 10:07:22 EDT 2008

Hank,

My facts are not off.  Yes, the pool is available to ALL women but the
reason for the change was at the request of 6 Muslim women. Harvard is a
private school and it is certainly within their rights to make whatever
rules they want. Maybe the fact that Harvard accepts millions of dollars
from Saudi Arabia influenced their decision or maybe they are just being
uber sensitive.  What night is gay only night?  Christian only night?  Mens
only night?  Seems to me the simple solution would have been to ask the
Saudis to build an Islamic student center complete with pool.  But again,
its their school.

Brad

On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Brad,
>
> Your facts are a little off.  The gym is available to ALL women, not just
> muslim women.  Although muslim women were the reason for the change.
> According to AP  "No men are allowed in the gym between 3 p.m. and 5 p.m.
> on
> Mondays, and between 8 a.m. and 10 a.m on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Even the
> staff during those times is all women."
>
> Two hours a day for three days a week is not unreasonable in my point of
> view.
>
> Hank
>
> On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ed,
> >
> > Funny you should mention this:
> >
> > -I rather look to Bill Buckley's comment, "I'd rather entrust the
> > government
> > of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston
> > telephone
> > directory than to the faculty of Harvard University." -
> >
> > Harvard recently set aside specific hours for Muslim women to use a
> > Harvard
> > University pool segregated for only Muslim women.  Didn't we have a
> > movement
> > in US during the 60's to end segregated water fountains and bus seats in
> > the
> > US?  So much for the Progressive movement.
> >
> > I'm off on a different mission this morning.  There was an attempted
> > hijacking in Xinjiang province over the weekend, an apparent attempt to
> > disrupt the planning for the Beijing games.  The crew was able to
> > apprehend
> > the bad guys and land short.  We know some people in the government
> there
> > and I'm anxious to get their opinion before they go to bed.
> >
> > Ah yes, 'the religion of peace'.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Ron's glee about the winning candidate suggests that having a Ph.D.
> > makes
> > > a
> > > person more qualified to lead that someone who is a high school
> dropout.
> > >
> > > I take exception to that elitist concept.  Many Mennonites only have a
> > > grade
> > > school level of academic achievement.  Yet I trust those guys who make
> > up
> > > their convoys of church members going  to devastated areas and go
> about
> > > cleaning up and rebuilding without Federal Government assistance.
> > >
> > > I rather look to Bill Buckley's comment, "I'd rather entrust the
> > > government
> > > of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston
> > > telephone
> > > directory than to the faculty of Harvard University."
> > >
> > > Good judgment in things subjects outside of ones area of expertise is
> > not
> > > a
> > > given, nor an absolute.  It does not follow that because one has
> > attained
> > > a
> > > high level of achievement in science that person will exercise
> > commiserate
> > > quality of decision making in things political.
> > >
> > > In some scientific endeavors today, things have become very
> bureaucratic
> > > in
> > > substance.  Ph.D.'s very jobs and dreams are based on political
> > decisions.
> > > In plain English, often their perspective of what is right or best is
> > > vested
> > > in their jobs, or their views of world from their educated
> perspective.
> > >  In
> > > truth, sometimes that perspective is self serving to a particularly
> > narrow
> > > constituency.
> > >
> > > I rather also consider that if they were truly above average ability,
> > that
> > > they could go out and create.  You know, take a dream of a small
> > sailboat,
> > > make it and sell it.  Create where nothing or lesser things were
> before.
> > > Take the whole world up a notch.
> > >
> > > The above is done without government direction, but in an environment
> > > maintained by a government.  Yes we need a sheriff to keep evil from
> > > killing
> > > good people.  But, no, government is not the answer to nor the most
> > > efficient and effective way to a higher level of civilization.
> > >
> > > "It is not our affluence, or our plumbing, or our clogged freeways
> that
> > > grip
> > > the imagination of others.  Rather, it is the values upon which our
> > system
> > > is built."  J. William Fulbright
> > >
> > > Ed K
> > > Greenville, SC, USA
> > >
> > >
> > > Tootle wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ron:
> > > >
> > > > I will reply to your glee.  Understanding your educational level,
> and
> > > your
> > > > friends, I would suggest that academic achievement may or may not be
> > > > relevant.
> > > >
> > > > Too me, the most important criterion is an effort to be honest.
> For
> > > some
> > > > even with religious background, simple honesty does not matter.
> > > >
> > > > You said, "It is nice to know that people of real quality can go
> into
> > > > politics
> > > > and succeed."
> > > >
> > > > That is a defining statement.  Does quality mean integrity?
>  Recently,
> > a
> > > > friend of mine lost his wife.  I have known him and her since the
> > early
> > > > 1970's.  He is a man of integrity, notwithstanding he is very
> liberal
> > in
> > > > some areas.  I worked for several of his campaigns.  During his time
> > in
> > > > Washington as Secretary of Education a U. S. Senate seat came open.
>  I
> > > was
> > > > deeply afraid that he might actually run for it.  Because at that
> > point
> > > I
> > > > doubted I could be a foot soldier in that campaign.  But alas, he
> > chose
> > > > not too, but rather returned to South Carolina to write and teach.
> > > >
> > > > I suspect, but never asked him if part of his reasoning for easing
> out
> > > of
> > > > politics was the moral quality of those he associated with.  So
> then,
> > do
> > > > you consider Bill Clinton a man of real quality?
> > > >
> > > > I have posted this standard that we should expect from elected
> > officials
> > > > as a subscript several times:
> > > > " The people have a right, an indisputable, unalienable,
> indefeasible,
> > > > divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge - I
> > mean
> > > of
> > > > the character and conduct of their rulers"   John Adams
> > > >
> > > > I hope your friend is a man of integrity first.  What say yea?
> > > >
> > > > Ed K
> > > > Greenville, SC, USA
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
> >
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