[Rhodes22-list] communication style

Brad Haslett flybrad at gmail.com
Thu May 1 14:19:45 EDT 2008 

Pete,

Keep drinking Kool-Aid.  Jim Jones was an effective speaker.

Brad

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 12:06 PM, petelargo <petelauritzen at earthlink.net>
wrote:

>
> You could learn pretty easy by watching the Obama speaking style. He
> communicates without being condescending on the one end and without
> pandering on the other. If you wear your flag-pin while watching him you
> cannot catch any socialist 'cooties'. Good luck.
>
>
> Hank-5 wrote:
> >
> > Ed,
> >
> > The message you deliver to folks is usually good.  However, your method
> > for
> > delivery could use some (a lot?) work.  You often use a condescending
> tone
> > and say things in a way that makes people feel they are being attacked.
> > You
> > could have easily said the same thing to Chris in a different manner and
> > he
> > would have come back and thanked you for being so helpful.
> >
> > You are always asking people to think about different things, so why
> don't
> > you ponder this.  If many on this  list talk about your difficulties in
> > communication why don't you do some research on the internet on better
> > methods for phrasing a communication.
> >
> > Have a great day,
> >
> > Hank
> >
> > On 4/30/08, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Chet said, "lighten up on a newbie, eh?;-)"
> >>
> >> What is that old saying about give a man a fish, you feed him for a
> day,
> >> teach him to fish and you feed him for life…
> >>
> >> If we gave you the quick answer, how long would you remember it?
>  Several
> >> list members have pointed out that they do not have the hoist system.
> >> One
> >> even has the IMF and defends not having one.  Others have given you
> good
> >> reason to bite the bullet and have it.  As I said previously, how much
> is
> >> your personal safety worth?  And as pointed out by some, it offers
> >> greater
> >> utility for using a Rhodes 22.
> >>
> >> You said that you searched the archives?  What computer operating
> system
> >> do
> >> you use?  Does it allow for favorites?  Or keep a memory of web sites
> for
> >> fast access?  Have you diligently saved the tools given you in the
> >> various
> >> posts so as to find answers to issues quickly?
> >>
> >> Michael W.'s post gives more specific tools.  Do you read other
> seemingly
> >> non related post on the list?  For example, you want detailed
> >> instructions.
> >> If you read a post,
> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2008-April/050064.html,
> >> you just might begin to get the idea that all the details are just not
> >> written yet.  Stan does not have a staff devoted to writing step by
> step
> >> instructions.  However, some instructions have been written and posted
> >> over
> >> the years by Rhodies.  Then those instructions have been embellished by
> >> other Rhodies.  An illustration is that somewhere in the archives,
> >> Captain
> >> Alm has written an excellent set of instructions for raising and
> lowering
> >> the mast.  It was followed by detailed comments on different steps or
> >> various equipment by others.
> >>
> >> Various equipment?  What?  Stan's mast raising systems are a work in
> >> progress.  Just like the Rhodes 22, the boat.  He has used many
> >> variations
> >> of raising the mast.  The instructions for different systems just might
> >> be
> >> different?  Did you notice his latest version?  Electric?  Does it rise
> >> out
> >> of the foredeck like a periscope?  Does it have a robotic arm that
> grabs
> >> the
> >> mast and sets it upright?  Did you see the pictures?
> >>
> >> The new guy Mike C is going to try to write a history.  The question is
> >> can
> >> he write fast enough to keep up with Stan?
> >>
> >> Ed K
> >> Greenville, SC, USA
> >>
> >>
> >> we now have an electric model
> >>
> >> ss
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "David Bradley" <dwbrad at gmail.com>
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 1:45 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chet, you seem to be an O.K. guy, but...
> >>
> >>
> >> > Chet, I think I remember the mast crane as a $750 option.  I didn't
> >> > buy it and in hind sight I should have.
> >> >
> >> > Dave
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 7:06 PM, andrew collins <
> engineerpac at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> Chet
> >> >>
> >> >> Take the good, ignore the bad. Ed is of his meds.
> >> >>
> >> >> The GB mast crane is great, it lets you work slowly and without
> >> stress.
> >> >> The
> >> >> wiinch has a built-in brake, so you can stop anytime. Unless you
> have
> >> >> reliable helpers, it is a necessity. Around here all the helpers
> >> either
> >> >> drink beer or have family obligations or something. It is a little
> bit
> >> >> dear,
> >> >> but having people stop and gape while you do it solo is priceless
> >> >>
> >> >> Andrew C
> >> >>
> >> >> s/v Carmen
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 4/29/08, chetc <cclocksin at buckeye-express.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hey Ed,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I appreciate all of the opinions and advice you and others have
> >> >> > offered,
> >> >> > but
> >> >> > I think I detect a bit of a condescending tone to your reply.
> :-/Yes
> >> I
> >> >> > have
> >> >> > seen pictures of various mast raising systems, but I have not seen
> >> >> > anything
> >> >> > from general Boats that is advertised as a mast crane, with a
> >> picture
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > price. Maybe there is a "secret" catalog for parts and accessories
> >> of
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > Rhodes 22. It is possible that I could have somehow missed it in
> my
> >> >> > HOURS
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > searching this site, Google, ask.com and others, so please forgive
> >> >> > me.:confused:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If you recall, my original question was whether or not the system
> >> >> > described
> >> >> > in the literature THAT I FOUND IN THE ARCHIVES worked with the
> >> IMF...so
> >> >> > YES,
> >> >> > I did take the time to study the home page. Did you ever think
> that
> >> >> > someone
> >> >> > new to the list might not be able to find their way around as
> >> quickly
> >> >> > as
> >> >> > someone who has been using it for years? Or, heaven forbid, an
> >> >> > experienced
> >> >> > Rhodie might save a new guy some time and trouble without the high
> >> and
> >> >> > mighty attitude?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So, I guess I would say the same thing...you seem like an O.K.
> guy,
> >> >> > but...lighten up on a newbie, eh?;-)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Tootle wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Chet,
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > You said about mast raising on rhodes 22, "One of these days I
> may
> >> >> > invest
> >> >> > > in this so-called "mast crane", but I haven't even seen a
> picture
> >> of
> >> >> > > it,
> >> >> > > let alone a price."
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Price should never be an issue when personal safety is at stake.
> >> >> > > Want
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > > see some pictures?  There are many pictures posted in the
> >> archives.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > There are others just waiting for you by looking:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > http://www.sailingtexas.com/Movies/Rhodes22c/srhodes22c.html
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > and:  http://www.rhodes22.org/rhodes/tech.html (have you taken
> >> time
> >> >> > > to
> >> >> > > study the home page of this web site?  and all that is contained
> >> on
> >> >> > > its
> >> >> > > pages?)
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > And a diligent search of the archives will find many pictures
> >> posted
> >> >> > > of
> >> >> > > Rhodies raising or lowering their mast.  Such as:
> >> >> > >
> http://www.nabble.com/file/4531/Dec%2006%20Red%20Rhodes%20005.jpg
> >> >> > >
> http://www.nabble.com/file/4532/Dec%2006%20Red%20Rhodes%20009.jpg
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Ed K
> >> >> > > Greenville, SC, USA
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > View this message in context:
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
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> >> >> > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > __________________________________________________
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > David Bradley
> >> > +1.206.234.3977
> >> > dwbrad at gmail.com
> >>
> >> --
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> >>
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> >>
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