[Rhodes22-list] This day in history

Michael D. Weisner mweisner at ebsmed.com
Fri May 2 19:12:34 EDT 2008 

Brad,

It's almost as if "they" do not care what he has to say.  After all, how 
much can a president screw up in the final year?  This could be the best 
year of his two-term presidency.

As was obvious during the news conference, he still has a great deal of 
trouble grasping the real consequences to the American economy of the 
increased energy costs.  One must wonder if there is a not so hidden agenda 
to push us to the edge in an effort to enable oil exploration in sensitive 
environments and to rebuild short term nuclear (or is that nuculer) power 
capability.

The dinner was great and Ferguson is one of my favorites.  Here in NY, his 
show starts at 12:35am and I rarely miss his monologue.  He claims that the 
monologue is off-the-cuff without formal writers.

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 6:59 PM
> Mike,
>
> Good question.  Maybe it's just because he's lame duck and doesn't have an
> election to think about.  BTW, did you catch his last White House
> Correspondents dinner?  His speech and Craig Fergeson's are on YouTube and
> both are pretty funny.
>
> Brad
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Brad,
>>
>> He seems to do much better when he isn't reading prepared remarks.  Why
>> didn't they give W the "sign" to "swing away" before?  He has been much
>> more
>> interesting to listen to (and funny), of late.  What changed?
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>>
>> From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 6:27 
>> PM
>> >I think both Herb and W are capable of defending themselves, so I'll let
>> > them.  Here's an example of the latter.
>> >
>> >
>> http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/fish_barrel_bang/straighttalk_bu.php
>> >
>> > Today I read an account of a soldier at a town hall meeting in North
>> > Carolina.  He had just returned from Iraq and related his pride of
>> serving
>> > and his unit's accomplishments. He said, "I didn't know we were losing
>> the
>> > war until I returned home".  Those of us who follow the war closely do
>> > notice a disconnect between the MSM coverage and the observations of
>> those
>> > on the frontline.
>> >
>> > Brad
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Michael D. Weisner 
>> > <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Herb,
>> >>
>> >> I tried to listen and make sense of your reasoning, obviously without
>> >> success.
>> >>
>> >> If you wish to enlighten me (or anyone else who is still reading this
>> >> thread), you may choose to respond but please try to state your
>> argument
>> >> carefully and without insult.
>> >>
>> >> Sometimes, I wonder if you just bait some of us so that you can 
>> >> attempt
>> >> to
>> >> belittle us with your response.
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> >> Nissequogue River, NY
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Friday, May 02, 
>> >> 2008
>> >> 5:55
>> >> PM
>> >> > Nope, you missed again.
>> >> >
>> >> > But I DO want to make sure I understand YOU correctly.
>> >> >
>> >> > You interpret my statement the way you wish (incorrectly, I might
>> add),
>> >> > then stand in amazement.
>> >> >
>> >> > So, your thoughts amaze you.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm not surprised.
>> >> >
>> >> > Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>> >> >> Herb,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I think that you are trying to make the following argument:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If a statement about someone else (not a list member) offends you
>> due
>> >> to
>> >> >> your beliefs, that makes the statement inconsiderate (of you) and
>> >> should
>> >> >> therefore be treated the same as an insult directed at a list
>> member.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Herb, you never cease to amaze me.  I would have expected that kind
>> of
>> >> >> reasoning from some others but not you.  Sorry, maybe I still
>> >> >> misunderstand
>> >> >> you.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Mike
>> >> >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> >> >> Nissequogue River, NY
>> >> >>
>> >> >> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Friday, May 02,
>> >> 2008
>> >> >> 4:41 PM
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Sorry Michael. Maybe you misunderstood my reaction. I was 
>> >> >>> offended.
>> >> >>> Thus, the message about the President wasn't very "considerate". I
>> >> agree
>> >> >>> that criticism of the President has become a sport. One shouldn't
>> >> >>> play
>> >> >>> unless they're ready to play.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> Herb,
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I agree with you that respect for the President (whether or not I
>> >> voted
>> >> >>>> for
>> >> >>>> him) is required.  Even if I disagree with his performance,
>> actions,
>> >> >>>> etc.
>> >> >>>> he
>> >> >>>> is THE PRESIDENT.  Criticism of the President has become a 
>> >> >>>> "sport"
>> >> >>>> in
>> >> >>>> this
>> >> >>>> country (just tune in to late night TV comedians) and is 
>> >> >>>> permitted
>> >> >>>> by
>> >> >>>> most
>> >> >>>> of us as a freedom, whether you and I support it or not.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Unfortunately, the problem that you cite is not covered by the
>> list
>> >> >>>> charter.
>> >> >>>> The charter states "Netiquette: Posts to the group are expected 
>> >> >>>> to
>> >> >>>> be
>> >> >>>> considerate of other readers."  Unless POTUS is a member of this
>> >> list,
>> >> >>>> your
>> >> >>>> objection is unfounded, while offending those who are members of
>> "da
>> >> >>>> list"
>> >> >>>> is clearly forbidden.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Mike
>> >> >>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> >> >>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Friday, May 
>> >> >>>> 02,
>> >> 2008
>> >> >>>> 4:14
>> >> >>>> PM
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> OK folks.Where the admonitions about "personal attacks." Some
>> idiot
>> >> >>>>> gets
>> >> >>>>> on here and calls the President of the Nation a "son of a 
>> >> >>>>> bitch",
>> >> and
>> >> >>>>> that's OK. However, calling Robert a loser because of his
>> pathetic
>> >> >>>>> Bush-hating nonsense is somehow bad bad stuff.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Rob,
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Not true. Many of us have questioned his military service, but
>> >> >>>>>> have
>> >> >>>>>> never
>> >> >>>>>> been given the straight answers. It seems that privileged
>> children
>> >> >>>>>> live
>> >> >>>>>> privileged lives, even in the military. Since it's already
>> Friday
>> >> and
>> >> >>>>>> I
>> >> >>>>>> have a  ton
>> >> >>>>>> of yard wok to do this weekend and won't be actively on the
>> list,
>> >> >>>>>> I
>> >> >>>>>> will
>> >> >>>>>> leave
>> >> >>>>>> with this parting comment. Our current president is the dumbest
>> >> >>>>>> son
>> >> >>>>>> of
>> >> >>>>>> a
>> >> >>>>>> bitch that's ever taken the oath of office. History will back 
>> >> >>>>>> me
>> >> >>>>>> up
>> >> >>>>>> on
>> >> >>>>>> this.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Rummy
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> In a message dated 5/2/2008 2:44:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> >> >>>>>> rlowe at vt.edu
>> >> >>>>>> writes:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Nobody  questioned his service, Herb.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>>>>> From:  "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>> >> >>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:34  AM
>> >> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] This day in history
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> And,  I'll add, bitch all you want to about his politics. When
>> >> >>>>>>> you
>> >> >>>>>>> insult
>> >> >>>>>>>  his service, you're being a jerk. THAT was what was pathetic.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>  Brad Haslett wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Rob,
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Herb's a big  boy and can defend himself, so I'll let him.  I
>> >> >>>>>>>> too
>> >> >>>>>>>> feel
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> his
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>  > frustrations at times though.  The carrier landing was a
>> >> >>>>>>> celebration
>> >> >>>>>>> for
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> men and women who had been at sea for a good long  while in
>> >> support
>> >> >>>>>>>> of
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Iraqi liberation. They were honored to  have been visited by
>> >> their
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Commander
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> in Chief and it showed on  their faces.  President Bush 
>> >> >>>>>>>> didn't
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> immediately
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> rush for  the Admiral's quarters, he spent a lot of time with
>> >> >>>>>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> 'grunts'
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>  > taking photos, hugging them, etc.  It was obvious they 
>> >> >>>>>>> loved
>> >> >>>>>>> having
>> >> >>>>>>> him
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> aboard and watching it live made me proud to be an  American.
>> >>  Was
>> >> >>>>>>>> it
>> >> >>>>>>>> a
>> >> >>>>>>>> political event as well?   Everything a politician does is a
>> >> >>>>>>>> political
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> event.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>  > Today's newspaper is the first draft of history and often
>> >> >>>>>>> wrong
>> >> >>>>>>> in
>> >> >>>>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> reporting and analysis.  Go read a newspaper from 1948  to
>> 1952
>> >> and
>> >> >>>>>>>> see
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> how
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> popular Truman was at the time.  Some  people are so jaded by
>> >> their
>> >> >>>>>>>> BDS
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> (Bush
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Derangement Syndrome)  that they can't see anything positive
>> in
>> >> >>>>>>>> anything.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> You
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> are  probably a classic case.  Bush's term is almost over and
>> it
>> >> >>>>>>>> might
>> >> >>>>>>>> be
>> >> >>>>>>>> time for everyone to move on to tomorrow's problems.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>  >
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Let me say this - when I think critics are taking delight in
>> >> >>>>>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> difficulty
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> and losses our military is encountering because  it suits
>> their
>> >> >>>>>>>> political
>> >> >>>>>>>> slant, it pisses me off to no end.  Frankly, I don't think we
>> >> >>>>>>>> should
>> >> >>>>>>>> have
>> >> >>>>>>>> engaged in 2/3rds of the  deployments we did under Clinton,
>> and
>> >> >>>>>>>> I
>> >> >>>>>>>> didn't
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> and
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> still don't  like the Clintons.  That said, I want to see any
>> >> >>>>>>>> engagement
>> >> >>>>>>>>  where we put our troops in harm's way to go well regardless
>> of
>> >> how
>> >> >>>>>>>> I
>> >> >>>>>>>> may
>> >> >>>>>>>> personally feel about the commander.  My guess is, Herb  gets
>> >> upset
>> >> >>>>>>>> for
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> same reasons I do.  Bitch about Bush  is you want, it's a 
>> >> >>>>>>>> free
>> >> >>>>>>>> country.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> The
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> men and women on that  boat that day risked their lives so 
>> >> >>>>>>>> you
>> >> can
>> >> >>>>>>>> do
>> >> >>>>>>>> so.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>  Brad
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
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