[Rhodes22-list] This day in history

[Brad Haslett]

Mike,

Those of us (like me) who consider themselves 'real' conservatives have
always had a problem with 43.  He talked the talk but grew the federal
government instead of shrinking it. And lets face facts, "he ain't no
articulator."  Who knows what his ideas on energy were in the beginning, I
sure don't.  9/11, as they say, changed everything.  But given his
background in oil and his choice of early advisers, I'm think he's a
believer in Peak Oil. The Bush family had a close relationship with the
royal Saudi family and I'm guessing he had an inkling just how dysfunctional
that family and that country was/is. If you read Simmons' (an early 43
energy advisor) book "Twilight in the Desert" you get a feel for just how
precarious is the Saudi nation and their impact on world oil markets.  You
may very well be correct, he may be forcing the nations hand to drill, build
nukes, or both. I caught snippets of a speech he made in St. Louis last week
and he explained in pretty simple fashion (and fairly unmangled for him)
that with increasing world demand and falling domestic production, gasoline
prices would remain high. Whatever, we've gone through another
administration just like everyone since FDR started us down this "cheap oil"
policy with no clear cut energy policy.  I haven't heard any of the three
remaining candidates say anything intelligent about what their policies
would be.  Standby for more of the same.

People will be less radical about their environmentalism when the pain
becomes great enough.  They will also wonder why we've been so 'soft' on
terrorism when the next attack comes.  I'd love to be more optimistic on the
latter.  We'll be fighting this war decades from now.

Brad

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Brad,
>
> It's almost as if "they" do not care what he has to say.  After all, how
> much can a president screw up in the final year?  This could be the best
> year of his two-term presidency.
>
> As was obvious during the news conference, he still has a great deal of
> trouble grasping the real consequences to the American economy of the
> increased energy costs.  One must wonder if there is a not so hidden
> agenda
> to push us to the edge in an effort to enable oil exploration in sensitive
> environments and to rebuild short term nuclear (or is that nuculer) power
> capability.
>
> The dinner was great and Ferguson is one of my favorites.  Here in NY, his
> show starts at 12:35am and I rarely miss his monologue.  He claims that
> the
> monologue is off-the-cuff without formal writers.
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 6:59 PM
> > Mike,
> >
> > Good question.  Maybe it's just because he's lame duck and doesn't have
> an
> > election to think about.  BTW, did you catch his last White House
> > Correspondents dinner?  His speech and Craig Fergeson's are on YouTube
> and
> > both are pretty funny.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Brad,
> >>
> >> He seems to do much better when he isn't reading prepared remarks.  Why
> >> didn't they give W the "sign" to "swing away" before?  He has been much
> >> more
> >> interesting to listen to (and funny), of late.  What changed?
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>
> >>
> >> From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 6:27
> >> PM
> >> >I think both Herb and W are capable of defending themselves, so I'll
> let
> >> > them.  Here's an example of the latter.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/fish_barrel_bang/straighttalk_bu.php
> >> >
> >> > Today I read an account of a soldier at a town hall meeting in North
> >> > Carolina.  He had just returned from Iraq and related his pride of
> >> serving
> >> > and his unit's accomplishments. He said, "I didn't know we were
> losing
> >> the
> >> > war until I returned home".  Those of us who follow the war closely
> do
> >> > notice a disconnect between the MSM coverage and the observations of
> >> those
> >> > on the frontline.
> >> >
> >> > Brad
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Michael D. Weisner
> >> > <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Herb,
> >> >>
> >> >> I tried to listen and make sense of your reasoning, obviously
> without
> >> >> success.
> >> >>
> >> >> If you wish to enlighten me (or anyone else who is still reading
> this
> >> >> thread), you may choose to respond but please try to state your
> >> argument
> >> >> carefully and without insult.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sometimes, I wonder if you just bait some of us so that you can
> >> >> attempt
> >> >> to
> >> >> belittle us with your response.
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike
> >> >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >> >> Nissequogue River, NY
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Friday, May 02,
> >> >> 2008
> >> >> 5:55
> >> >> PM
> >> >> > Nope, you missed again.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > But I DO want to make sure I understand YOU correctly.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You interpret my statement the way you wish (incorrectly, I might
> >> add),
> >> >> > then stand in amazement.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So, your thoughts amaze you.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm not surprised.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> >> >> >> Herb,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I think that you are trying to make the following argument:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> If a statement about someone else (not a list member) offends you
> >> due
> >> >> to
> >> >> >> your beliefs, that makes the statement inconsiderate (of you) and
> >> >> should
> >> >> >> therefore be treated the same as an insult directed at a list
> >> member.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Herb, you never cease to amaze me.  I would have expected that
> kind
> >> of
> >> >> >> reasoning from some others but not you.  Sorry, maybe I still
> >> >> >> misunderstand
> >> >> >> you.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Mike
> >> >> >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >> >> >> Nissequogue River, NY
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Friday, May
> 02,
> >> >> 2008
> >> >> >> 4:41 PM
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> Sorry Michael. Maybe you misunderstood my reaction. I was
> >> >> >>> offended.
> >> >> >>> Thus, the message about the President wasn't very "considerate".
> I
> >> >> agree
> >> >> >>> that criticism of the President has become a sport. One
> shouldn't
> >> >> >>> play
> >> >> >>> unless they're ready to play.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> Herb,
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> I agree with you that respect for the President (whether or not
> I
> >> >> voted
> >> >> >>>> for
> >> >> >>>> him) is required.  Even if I disagree with his performance,
> >> actions,
> >> >> >>>> etc.
> >> >> >>>> he
> >> >> >>>> is THE PRESIDENT.  Criticism of the President has become a
> >> >> >>>> "sport"
> >> >> >>>> in
> >> >> >>>> this
> >> >> >>>> country (just tune in to late night TV comedians) and is
> >> >> >>>> permitted
> >> >> >>>> by
> >> >> >>>> most
> >> >> >>>> of us as a freedom, whether you and I support it or not.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Unfortunately, the problem that you cite is not covered by the
> >> list
> >> >> >>>> charter.
> >> >> >>>> The charter states "Netiquette: Posts to the group are expected
> >> >> >>>> to
> >> >> >>>> be
> >> >> >>>> considerate of other readers."  Unless POTUS is a member of
> this
> >> >> list,
> >> >> >>>> your
> >> >> >>>> objection is unfounded, while offending those who are members
> of
> >> "da
> >> >> >>>> list"
> >> >> >>>> is clearly forbidden.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Mike
> >> >> >>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >> >> >>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Friday, May
> >> >> >>>> 02,
> >> >> 2008
> >> >> >>>> 4:14
> >> >> >>>> PM
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>> OK folks.Where the admonitions about "personal attacks." Some
> >> idiot
> >> >> >>>>> gets
> >> >> >>>>> on here and calls the President of the Nation a "son of a
> >> >> >>>>> bitch",
> >> >> and
> >> >> >>>>> that's OK. However, calling Robert a loser because of his
> >> pathetic
> >> >> >>>>> Bush-hating nonsense is somehow bad bad stuff.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Rob,
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Not true. Many of us have questioned his military service,
> but
> >> >> >>>>>> have
> >> >> >>>>>> never
> >> >> >>>>>> been given the straight answers. It seems that privileged
> >> children
> >> >> >>>>>> live
> >> >> >>>>>> privileged lives, even in the military. Since it's already
> >> Friday
> >> >> and
> >> >> >>>>>> I
> >> >> >>>>>> have a  ton
> >> >> >>>>>> of yard wok to do this weekend and won't be actively on the
> >> list,
> >> >> >>>>>> I
> >> >> >>>>>> will
> >> >> >>>>>> leave
> >> >> >>>>>> with this parting comment. Our current president is the
> dumbest
> >> >> >>>>>> son
> >> >> >>>>>> of
> >> >> >>>>>> a
> >> >> >>>>>> bitch that's ever taken the oath of office. History will back
> >> >> >>>>>> me
> >> >> >>>>>> up
> >> >> >>>>>> on
> >> >> >>>>>> this.
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Rummy
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> In a message dated 5/2/2008 2:44:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight
> Time,
> >> >> >>>>>> rlowe at vt.edu
> >> >> >>>>>> writes:
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Nobody  questioned his service, Herb.
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >>>>>> From:  "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >> >> >>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:34  AM
> >> >> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] This day in history
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> And,  I'll add, bitch all you want to about his politics.
> When
> >> >> >>>>>>> you
> >> >> >>>>>>> insult
> >> >> >>>>>>>  his service, you're being a jerk. THAT was what was
> pathetic.
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>  Brad Haslett wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Rob,
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Herb's a big  boy and can defend himself, so I'll let him.
>  I
> >> >> >>>>>>>> too
> >> >> >>>>>>>> feel
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> his
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>  > frustrations at times though.  The carrier landing was a
> >> >> >>>>>>> celebration
> >> >> >>>>>>> for
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> the
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> men and women who had been at sea for a good long  while in
> >> >> support
> >> >> >>>>>>>> of
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> the
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Iraqi liberation. They were honored to  have been visited
> by
> >> >> their
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Commander
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> in Chief and it showed on  their faces.  President Bush
> >> >> >>>>>>>> didn't
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> immediately
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> rush for  the Admiral's quarters, he spent a lot of time
> with
> >> >> >>>>>>>> the
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> 'grunts'
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>  > taking photos, hugging them, etc.  It was obvious they
> >> >> >>>>>>> loved
> >> >> >>>>>>> having
> >> >> >>>>>>> him
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> aboard and watching it live made me proud to be an
>  American.
> >> >>  Was
> >> >> >>>>>>>> it
> >> >> >>>>>>>> a
> >> >> >>>>>>>> political event as well?   Everything a politician does is
> a
> >> >> >>>>>>>> political
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> event.
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>  > Today's newspaper is the first draft of history and often
> >> >> >>>>>>> wrong
> >> >> >>>>>>> in
> >> >> >>>>>>> the
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> reporting and analysis.  Go read a newspaper from 1948  to
> >> 1952
> >> >> and
> >> >> >>>>>>>> see
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> how
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> popular Truman was at the time.  Some  people are so jaded
> by
> >> >> their
> >> >> >>>>>>>> BDS
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> (Bush
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Derangement Syndrome)  that they can't see anything
> positive
> >> in
> >> >> >>>>>>>> anything.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> You
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> are  probably a classic case.  Bush's term is almost over
> and
> >> it
> >> >> >>>>>>>> might
> >> >> >>>>>>>> be
> >> >> >>>>>>>> time for everyone to move on to tomorrow's problems.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>  >
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Let me say this - when I think critics are taking delight
> in
> >> >> >>>>>>>> the
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> difficulty
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> and losses our military is encountering because  it suits
> >> their
> >> >> >>>>>>>> political
> >> >> >>>>>>>> slant, it pisses me off to no end.  Frankly, I don't think
> we
> >> >> >>>>>>>> should
> >> >> >>>>>>>> have
> >> >> >>>>>>>> engaged in 2/3rds of the  deployments we did under Clinton,
> >> and
> >> >> >>>>>>>> I
> >> >> >>>>>>>> didn't
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> and
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> still don't  like the Clintons.  That said, I want to see
> any
> >> >> >>>>>>>> engagement
> >> >> >>>>>>>>  where we put our troops in harm's way to go well
> regardless
> >> of
> >> >> how
> >> >> >>>>>>>> I
> >> >> >>>>>>>> may
> >> >> >>>>>>>> personally feel about the commander.  My guess is, Herb
>  gets
> >> >> upset
> >> >> >>>>>>>> for
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> the
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> same reasons I do.  Bitch about Bush  is you want, it's a
> >> >> >>>>>>>> free
> >> >> >>>>>>>> country.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> The
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> men and women on that  boat that day risked their lives so
> >> >> >>>>>>>> you
> >> >> can
> >> >> >>>>>>>> do
> >> >> >>>>>>>> so.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>  Brad
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
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