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[Brad Haslett]

Slim,

Thanks for that visual (Herb kissing your ass).  No thank you!  For a
good read on less advanced societies being over-run, read "Guns,
Germs, and Steel" by Jared Diamond or watch the PBS special that was
made on the book.  What happened to the American Indians (both North
and South America) is a repeating pattern throughout history.  The
founding fathers are not off the hook.  If you read "Life of Johnson"
by Boswell, or Dr.Johnson himself, . Johnson complained during the
Revolutionary War that the Americans were ungrateful for the British
helping fight off the natives and now wanted their independence.  But,
what the hell does that have to do with anything now?  A huge chunk of
American citizens living here now are immigrants or descendants of
immigrants who came long after the conquering of the Indians occurred
and slavery ended.  What responsibility do they have for events in the
past? Besides, "white men" will be the minority in a few decades.
Will they be eligible for special privileges? You don't correct past
injustices by approving government sanctioned discrimination in the
present.  The discussion is pointless unless you're in the business of
shaking down perceived guilty parties for your particular "victim"
group for profit (and it is profitable).

Speaking of charities, care to make a bet on how many houses
charitable organizations have built for Katrina victims versus the
Gubment?  I'm guessing it is about 10 to 1.  It's easy to vote to give
someone else's money away to assuage your own (for whatever silly
reason) guilt, but quite painful when you see how inefficient Gubment
really is at getting anything productive done.  I personally wouldn't
give money to a charity if it wasn't at least 50% efficient.  When it
comes to social programs like food and housing, that would be an
almost unachievable target for the federal government.  Calling people
selfish or unpatriotic for not wanting to pay higher taxes to "spread
the wealth" is insulting and out of touch with reality.  Unless of
course, you're in the business of finding victims for fun and profits
(and votes). There comes a point in time where you have to accept that
the law of diminishing returns is a reality and if an experiment
hasn't worked after 40 years, maybe we need a new approach.  Or
perhaps you don't as long as there's someone to tax in the interest of
"fairness".

Brad



On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
> Herb,
>
> Do you have any idea how much you sound like you're talking out your ass?
> Do you really want to put up your 1099 to show off what you've donated to
> charity?   You're such a bore.  I'm going to guess that maybe you tithe a
> full 10% to your fundamentalist church because they tell you to--out of
> false compassion.  And the money goes to your church--not anything real.  Or
> at best a small percentage.  I know you donate your time riding your
> motorcycle around for stuff but is that actually giving?  You're a
> cheerleader.  Great.
>
> As for the Native Americans you don't seem to have a grasp on history.  Just
> because the Injuns didn't have a concept of land ownership or fences doesn't
> mean the white man didn't take it away from them.  You're an idiot.  The
> Indians were living in the stone-age and were decimated by the white man out
> of greed and arrogance.  There was no need for that.  To say that they
> simply met a stronger enemy completely usurps all that compassion and
> charity that you espouse.  You're full of shit!  I was born on the Sissiton
> reservation in South Dakota and you can kiss my ass!
>
> Slim
>
> On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 10:36 PM, John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "John,"
>> (at least you are capable of starting a post properly by addressing me by
>> name. I assumed you were ignorant at first but now I see you're simply
>> rude.
>>
>> "Go screw yourself."
>> (Sorry to old to bend that way anymore perhaps you could send a pic of how
>> you accomplish it yourself.)
>>
>> "I've never offered anything like a ""final solution"".
>> You're reference reveals you for what you are."
>>
>> (you have no clue as to who or what I am)
>>
>> As far as me "detesting" anyone, you again speak from total ignorance.
>> I'll make a deal with you though, I'll make my tax returns for the last
>> 10 years public on here to show how much I've given to charity if you'll
>> do the same.
>>
>> (Do you recall the parable of the pharisee and the old woman who went to
>> the
>> temple to make sacrifice?)
>>
>> You ready to put up? I doubt it. I suspect the size of your mouth is
>> exceeded mainly by your ego, and your actions are far lacking compared
>> to either.
>>
>> (In the mouth and ego department its no contest you win)
>>
>> If the government determines a need for social charity programs, they
>> should do so by purchasing land they need. Simple. If it's too
>> expensive, buy elsewhere.
>>
>> (that's what is happening in this instance so what's your problem)
>>
>> As to your notion about "stealing it from the original owners", which
>> land are you talking about? You'll have to be a little more specific.
>> Some of the Indian tribes didn't ascribe to the notion of "owning land".
>> Others regularly took land from each other by armed conflict. So, the
>> "theft" was actually their normally accepted means of transfer, they
>> simply were defeated by a stronger enemy.
>>
>> (like white men with guns and smallpox infested blankets? do the words
>> "trail of tears" mean anything to you?)
>>
>>
>>
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