[Rhodes22-list] Foam for outside cushions

Michael D. Weisner mweisner at ebsmed.com
Mon Nov 10 18:53:05 EST 2008


Jerry,

Thanks for the heads up.  I thought that the BottomSiders were very nice 
when we sat on them on a friend's boat, but we were only out for an evening 
sail and it was a bit cool.  On the other hand, the course cushion fabric 
that we have leaves marks and has irritated some people, especially my kids 
when they were younger.  Oh well.

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

From: <cjlowe at sssnet.com> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 6:44 PM
> We took a couple for a test sail 2 years ago,who had a Potter 19 that had
> bottom sider cushions.They commented on how much better they liked
> Stan's cushions,which were several years old.(came with the boat,when I
> bought it used)They said they didn't like the way bare skin sweated
> when sitting on the bottom siders.Never tried them myself,just something
> you might not think to consider.
> Jerry Lowe
>
>
>
> On 11/10/2008, "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>
>>Carol,
>>
>>We are looking at replacing our cushions and really like the ones at:
>>http://www.bottomsiders.com/, although we are not sure that they cost less
>>than the current value of our R22.  You might want to ask for a quote.
>>
>>In the make it yourself category, you may find what you want at one of 
>>these
>>sites:
>>http://www.foamorder.com/closedcell.html (look at the Flo-Tex)
>>http://www.closedcellfoams.com/minicel.html (look at the Minicell)
>>http://www.marinefoam.com/closedcellacousticalfoam.html?page_type=flotation-foams
>>(look at the Ultra Foam)
>>https://www.outdoortextiles.com/browse.php?CatID=11&SubCatID=66&page=1
>>(they also have Minicell)
>>
>>Some of these companies ship free (I know, you're paying for it 
>>somewhere.)
>>
>>Lots to look at and think about.  Let us know if you find a reasonable
>>solution.
>>
>>Mike
>>s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>>From: <CarolN8 at aol.com> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 5:03 PM
>>>I need to replace the cockpit cushions and Stan said I needed to make 
>>>sure
>>>I
>>> used closed cell foam. So does anyone know where to find closed cell 
>>> foam
>>> in
>>> my local area? Is there a certain type of store that carries it?
>>>
>>> Carol
>>>
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>>> Message:  1
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:53:28 -0600
>>> From: Herb Parsons  <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] for Brad's eyes  and those who reason only
>>> ...
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>>> Thanks John, there are lots of us  around.
>>>
>>> Then there are folks who want to deride people because of their 
>>> beliefs,
>>> political views etc. You took a polite discussion about eminent  domain
>>> and turned it an accusation against Brad and I about "final  solutions".
>>>
>>> Maybe you and Slim SHOULD get together. You seem to have  many
>>> similarities, and he's looking for someone to do weird stuff to his 
>>> ass.
>>>
>>>
>>> John Shulick wrote:
>>>> Steven,
>>>>
>>>> As a  fellow alum from Duquesne Univ. I thank you for your support. 
>>>> Over
>>>> the
>>>>  last 30 or so years I was a church soloist and section leader for just
>>> about
>>>> every major faith and I've seen many Herbs and some spices as
>>>> well.(sorry
>>>> couldn't resist)
>>>>
>>>> John  Shulick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have any idea how much you  sound like you're talking out your
>>>>> ass?
>>>>> Do you really want to put  up your 1099 to show off what you've 
>>>>> donated
>>>>> to
>>>>>  charity?   You're such a bore.  I'm going to guess that maybe  you
>>>>> tithe a
>>>>> full 10% to your fundamentalist church because they  tell you to--out 
>>>>> of
>>>>> false compassion.  And the money goes to  your church--not anything
>>>>> real.
>>>>> Or
>>>>> at best a small  percentage.  I know you donate your time riding your
>>>>>  motorcycle around for stuff but is that actually giving?  You're  a
>>>>> cheerleader.  Great.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the  Native Americans you don't seem to have a grasp on 
>>>>> history.
>>>>>  Just
>>>>> because the Injuns didn't have a concept of land ownership or  fences
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> mean the white man didn't take it away  from them.  You're an idiot.
>>>>> The
>>>>> Indians were living in  the stone-age and were decimated by the white
>>>>> man
>>>>> out
>>>>>  of greed and arrogance.  There was no need for that.  To say that 
>>>>> they
>>>>> simply met a stronger enemy completely usurps all that  compassion and
>>>>> charity that you espouse.  You're full of  shit!  I was born on the
>>>>> Sissiton
>>>>> reservation in  South Dakota and you can kiss my ass!
>>>>>
>>>>>  Slim
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 10:36 PM, John Shulick  <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "John,"
>>>>>> (at least you are capable of starting  a post properly by addressing 
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> name. I assumed you were  ignorant at first but now I see you're 
>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>  rude.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Go screw yourself."
>>>>>>  (Sorry to old to bend that way anymore perhaps you could send a pic
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> you accomplish it  yourself.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I've never offered anything like a  ""final solution"".
>>>>>> You're reference reveals you for what you  are."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (you have no clue as to who or what I  am)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as me "detesting" anyone, you again  speak from total 
>>>>>> ignorance.
>>>>>> I'll make a deal with you though,  I'll make my tax returns for the
>>>>>> last
>>>>>> 10 years public on here  to show how much I've given to charity if
>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>> do the  same.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Do you recall the parable of the  pharisee and the old woman who 
>>>>>> went
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>  temple to make sacrifice?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You ready to put  up? I doubt it. I suspect the size of your mouth is
>>>>>> exceeded  mainly by your ego, and your actions are far lacking 
>>>>>> compared
>>>>>>  to either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (In the mouth and ego department  its no contest you win)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the government  determines a need for social charity programs, 
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> should do  so by purchasing land they need. Simple. If it's too
>>>>>>  expensive, buy elsewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (that's what is  happening in this instance so what's your  problem)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to your notion about "stealing it  from the original owners", 
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> land are you talking about?  You'll have to be a little more 
>>>>>> specific.
>>>>>> Some of the Indian  tribes didn't ascribe to the notion of "owning
>>>>>> land".
>>>>>> Others  regularly took land from each other by armed conflict. So, 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>  "theft" was actually their normally accepted means of transfer, 
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> simply were defeated by a stronger  enemy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (like white men with guns and smallpox  infested blankets? do the 
>>>>>> words
>>>>>> "trail of tears" mean anything  to you?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  --
>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 10  Nov 2008 08:57:28 -0600
>>> From: Herb Parsons  <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] for Brad's eyes  and those who reason only
>>> ...
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>>>
>>> Sorry John, let's just say that your  word for it wouldn't be good 
>>> enough
>>> for me, you do keep records, right? If  we're just going to say what the
>>> percentage is, we can say.
>>>
>>> Not  interested in your social security. That's not giving, that's the
>>> government taking.
>>>
>>> As to your Wiki entry, thanks for confirming  what I was trying to say.
>>> It's good to see you are actually capable of  learning. 1830 was a tad
>>> later than the founding father's  period.
>>>
>>>
>>> John Shulick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "I've got a heck of a  deal for you. I'll buy your boat from you
>>>> at the price that I  determine is fair, and you can chose to accept it 
>>>> or
>>>> .... oh wait,  that would be your only choice.
>>>>
>>>> You do understand the  implementation of eminent domain, right?"
>>>>
>>>> If you came for my  boat I would sink it. If you came for my house I
>>>> would
>>>> burn it. If you  came for my land I would render it unusable. You could
>>>> have
>>>> it after  you have have hauled my dead body off it.
>>>>
>>>> "The only thing you  can do to a free man is kill him." Robert A.
>>>> Heinlein
>>>>
>>>> "You  need to study history a little closer. The trail of tears 
>>>> happened
>>>>  LONG after the founding fathers did their thing, you can't blame that
>>>>  one on them."
>>>>
>>>> Excerpt from the Wikipedia
>>>>
>>>> The  Trail of Tears was the forced relocation of Native Americans from
>>> their
>>>> homelands to Indian Territory (present day Oklahoma) in the  Western
>>>> United
>>>> States. The phrase originated from a description of the  removal of the
>>>> Choctaw Nation in 1831. Many Native Americans suffered  from exposure,
>>>> disease, and starvation while en route to their  destinations, and many
>>> died,
>>>> including, for example, 4,000 of the  15,000 relocated Cherokee.
>>>> Thousands
>>> of
>>>> enslaved and free  African-Americans (as slaves accompanying their 
>>>> Native
>>>> American  slaveowners and as former runaway slaves that were assisted 
>>>> by,
>>>>  assimilated by, or married to members of the tribes) accompanied the
>>> removed
>>>> nations on the Trail of Tears.
>>>> In 1830, the Cherokee,  Chickasaw, Choctaw, Muscogee (Creek), and
>>>> Seminole
>>>> (sometimes  collectively referred to as the Five Civilized Tribes) were
>>>> living as  autonomous nations in what would be called the American Deep
>>>> South.  The process of cultural transformation (proposed by GEORGE
>>> WASHINGTON
>>>>  and HENERY KNOX) was gaining momentum, especially among the Cherokee
>>>> and
>>>> Choctaw. Indian removal was first proposed by THOMAS JEFFERSON.  Andrew
>>>> Jackson was the first U.S. President to implement removal with  the
>>>> passage
>>>> of the Indian Removal Act of 1830. In 1831 the Choctaw  were the first 
>>>> to
>>>> be
>>>> removed, and they became the model for all other  removals. After the
>>>> Choctaw, the Seminole were removed in 1832, the  Creek in 1834, then 
>>>> the
>>>> Chickasaw in 1837, and finally the Cherokee in  1838.
>>>>
>>>>  "I'll make my tax returns for the last
>>>>  10 years public on here to show how much I've given to charity  if
>>>> you'll
>>>>  do the same."
>>>>
>>>> To many pages to post,  HOWEVER I'm Prepared to release my annual 
>>>> social
>>>> security statement  showing what I've earned in my lifetime and will
>>>> write
>>> in
>>>> how many  jobs I had to work to make it along with what I gave to
>>>> charity.(Care  to dance?)
>>>>
>>>> John Shulick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Mon, 10  Nov 2008 07:38:07 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: John Shulick  <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] for Brad's eyes  and those who reason only
>>> ...
>>> To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Message-ID:  <20422255.post at talk.nabble.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> hparsons wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Thanks  John, there are lots of us around."
>>>>
>>>> That's why this country  is in such trouble
>>>>
>>>> "Then there are folks who want to deride  people because of their
>>>> beliefs,
>>>> political views etc. You took a  polite discussion about eminent domain
>>>> and turned it an accusation  against Brad and I about "final 
>>>> solutions"."
>>>>
>>>> Oh please listen  to the pot calling the kettle black. If you don't 
>>>> want
>>>> comment about  your conversations then don't post them in a public 
>>>> forum
>>>> such as  this. Use the back channel or private e-mails to amuse
>>>> yourselves
>>>> with  your conservative nonsense, please leave the rest of us out of 
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> "Maybe you and Slim SHOULD get together. You seem to have many
>>>> similarities, and he's looking for someone to do weird stuff to his
>>>> ass."
>>>>
>>>> I would consider performing with Steven if he were so  inclined and the
>>>> time presented itself. the only ass I'm concerned  with is the one I'm
>>>> responding to right now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  John Shulick wrote:
>>>>> Steven,
>>>>>
>>>>> As a fellow  alum from Duquesne Univ. I thank you for your support. 
>>>>> Over
>>>>>  the
>>>>> last 30 or so years I was a church soloist and section leader  for 
>>>>> just
>>>>> about
>>>>> every major faith and I've seen many  Herbs and some spices as
>>>>> well.(sorry
>>>>> couldn't resist)
>>>>>
>>>>> John  Shulick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Steven Alm  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Herb,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you have any idea how much you sound  like you're talking out your
>>>>>> ass?
>>>>>> Do you  really want to put up your 1099 to show off what you've
>>>>>> donated
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> charity?   You're such a  bore.  I'm going to guess that maybe you
>>>>>> tithe
>>>>>>  a
>>>>>> full 10% to your fundamentalist church because they tell you  to--out
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> false compassion.  And the money goes to your  church--not anything
>>>>>> real.
>>>>>> Or
>>>>>> at best a small  percentage.  I know you donate your time riding your
>>>>>>  motorcycle around for stuff but is that actually giving?  You're  a
>>>>>> cheerleader.  Great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As  for the Native Americans you don't seem to have a grasp on 
>>>>>> history.
>>>>>> Just
>>>>>> because the Injuns didn't have a concept  of land ownership or fences
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> mean the  white man didn't take it away from them.  You're an idiot.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> Indians were living in the stone-age and were decimated by  the white
>>>>>> man
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> of greed and  arrogance.  There was no need for that.  To say that
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> simply met a stronger enemy completely usurps all that  compassion 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> charity that you espouse.  You're full of  shit!  I was born on the
>>>>>> Sissiton
>>>>>>  reservation in South Dakota and you can kiss my  ass!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 10:36 PM, John Shulick  <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  "John,"
>>>>>>> (at least you are capable of starting a post  properly by addressing
>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> name. I  assumed you were ignorant at first but now I see you're
>>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>> rude.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Go  screw yourself."
>>>>>>> (Sorry to old to bend that way anymore  perhaps you could send a pic
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>  you accomplish it yourself.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I've  never offered anything like a ""final solution"".
>>>>>>> You're  reference reveals you for what you  are."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (you have no clue as to who or  what I am)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as me "detesting"  anyone, you again speak from total
>>>>>>> ignorance.
>>>>>>> I'll make a  deal with you though, I'll make my tax returns for the
>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>> 10 years public on here to show how much I've given  to charity if
>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>> do the  same.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Do you recall the parable of  the pharisee and the old woman who 
>>>>>>> went
>>>>>>>  to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> temple to make  sacrifice?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You ready to put up? I  doubt it. I suspect the size of your mouth 
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> exceeded  mainly by your ego, and your actions are far lacking
>>>>>>> compared
>>>>>>> to  either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (In the mouth and ego  department its no contest you win)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If  the government determines a need for social charity programs,
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> should do so by purchasing land they need. Simple. If  it's too
>>>>>>> expensive, buy  elsewhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (that's what is happening  in this instance so what's your  problem)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As to your notion about  "stealing it from the original owners", 
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> land are you  talking about? You'll have to be a little more 
>>>>>>> specific.
>>>>>>>  Some of the Indian tribes didn't ascribe to the notion of  "owning
>>>>>>> land".
>>>>>>> Others regularly took  land from each other by armed conflict. So, 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> "theft"  was actually their normally accepted means of transfer, 
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> simply were defeated by a stronger  enemy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (like white men with guns and  smallpox infested blankets? do the
>>>>>>> words
>>>>>>> "trail of tears"  mean anything to  you?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  --
>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>
>>> http://www.nabble.com/for-Brad%27s-eyes-and-those-who-reason-only-...-tp20405744p20414236.html
>>>>>>>  Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at  Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> to
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
>>> Message:  4
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:45:50 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: John Shulick  <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] for Brad's eyes  and those who reason only
>>> ...
>>> To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> hparsons wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sorry  John, let's just say that your word for it wouldn't be good 
>>>> enough
>>>>  for me, you do keep records, right? If we're just going to say what 
>>>> the
>>>> percentage is, we can say.
>>>>
>>>> Didn't think you had the  stones to back up your BS
>>>>
>>>> "Not interested in your  social security. That's not giving, that's the
>>>> government  taking."
>>>>
>>>> Not interested in ever seeing me collect social  security would be more
>>>> accurate
>>>>
>>>> "As to your  Wiki entry, thanks for confirming what I was trying to 
>>>> say.
>>>> It's good  to see you are actually capable of learning. 1830 was a tad
>>>> later  than the founding father's period."
>>>>
>>>> Obviously you have  trouble comprehending what you read.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John Shulick  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "I've got a heck of a deal for you. I'll buy  your boat from you
>>>>> at the price that I determine is fair, and you  can chose to accept it
>>>>> or
>>>>> .... oh wait, that would be your only  choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> You do understand the implementation of  eminent domain, right?"
>>>>>
>>>>> If you came for my boat I  would sink it. If you came for my house I
>>>>> would
>>>>> burn it. If you  came for my land I would render it unusable. You 
>>>>> could
>>>>>  have
>>>>> it after you have have hauled my dead body off it.
>>>>>
>>>>> "The only thing you can do to a free man is kill  him." Robert A.
>>>>> Heinlein
>>>>>
>>>>> "You need to study history a  little closer. The trail of tears 
>>>>> happened
>>>>> LONG after the  founding fathers did their thing, you can't blame that
>>>>> one on  them."
>>>>>
>>>>> Excerpt from the  Wikipedia
>>>>>
>>>>> The Trail of Tears was the forced relocation  of Native Americans from
>>>>> their
>>>>> homelands to Indian  Territory (present day Oklahoma) in the Western
>>>>> United
>>>>>  States. The phrase originated from a description of the removal of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> Choctaw Nation in 1831. Many Native Americans suffered from  exposure,
>>>>> disease, and starvation while en route to their  destinations, and 
>>>>> many
>>>>> died,
>>>>> including, for example,  4,000 of the 15,000 relocated Cherokee.
>>>>> Thousands
>>>>> of
>>>>>  enslaved and free African-Americans (as slaves accompanying their
>>>>> Native
>>>>> American slaveowners and as former runaway slaves that were  assisted
>>>>> by,
>>>>> assimilated by, or married to members of the tribes)  accompanied the
>>>>> removed
>>>>> nations on the Trail of  Tears.
>>>>> In 1830, the Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Muscogee  (Creek), and
>>>>> Seminole
>>>>> (sometimes collectively referred to as the  Five Civilized Tribes) 
>>>>> were
>>>>> living as autonomous nations in what  would be called the American 
>>>>> Deep
>>>>> South. The process of cultural  transformation (proposed by GEORGE
>>>>> WASHINGTON
>>>>> and  HENERY KNOX) was gaining momentum, especially among the Cherokee
>>>>> and
>>>>> Choctaw. Indian removal was first proposed by THOMAS  JEFFERSON. 
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>> Jackson was the first U.S. President to  implement removal with the
>>>>> passage
>>>>> of the Indian  Removal Act of 1830. In 1831 the Choctaw were the first
>>>>> to
>>>>>  be
>>>>> removed, and they became the model for all other removals.  After the
>>>>> Choctaw, the Seminole were removed in 1832, the Creek in  1834, then 
>>>>> the
>>>>> Chickasaw in 1837, and finally the Cherokee in  1838.
>>>>>
>>>>>  "I'll make my tax returns for the last
>>>>>  10 years public on here to show how much I've given to  charity if
>>>>> you'll
>>>>>  do the same."
>>>>>
>>>>> To  many pages to post, HOWEVER I'm Prepared to release my annual
>>>>> social
>>>>> security statement showing what I've earned in my lifetime  and will
>>>>> write
>>>>> in
>>>>> how many jobs I had to work to make  it along with what I gave to
>>>>> charity.(Care to  dance?)
>>>>>
>>>>> John Shulick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>  __________________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>> Message:  5
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:46:42 -0500
>>> From: "Michael D. Weisner"  <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] for Brad's eyes  and those who reason only
>>> ...
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email  List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>>> reply-type=original
>>>
>>> Herb,
>>>
>>> What are you trying to say?  This  is an attempt to phonetically spell a
>>> foreign word, the name that they  were known as, not just a name that 
>>> was
>>> applied to a location.
>>>
>>> You  guessed wrong.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>> Nissequogue  River, NY
>>>
>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent:  Monday, November 
>>> 10,
>>> 2008 9:50 AM
>>>> I'd say the indians didn't name  the reservation, so my guess would be
>>>> that the English spelling  works.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>>>>>  Herb,
>>>>>
>>>>> How is it that an English language spelling of a  non-English word can
>>>>> be
>>>>> said to be spelled  incorrectly?
>>>>>
>>>>> A simple review of documents pertaining  to the "Sissiton" through
>>>>> Google
>>>>> revealed the following treaty  with the Sioux (original scan of 
>>>>> printed
>>>>> text)
>>>>>  regarding the "Sissiton Bands" in which both spellings are used on 
>>>>> the
>>>>> same
>>>>> page of the document:
>>>>>  http://digital.library.okstate.edu/Kappler/vol2/pgimages/sio0956.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>  Inconsistencies in translations of foreign words into common language
>>>>> seem
>>>>> to occur fairly often.  When in China, just  try to order Beijing 
>>>>> Duck.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> s/v  Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
>>>>>        Nissequogue  River, NY
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Herb Parsons"  <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Monday, November
>>>>> 10,
>>>>> 2008  8:36 AM
>>>>>
>>>>>> C'mon now, if a guy wants to get bent out  of shape over being born 
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> reservation and his treatment of  the "Injuns" by "the white man", 
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> can't spell the tribe's  name, I say an exception is certainly in
>>>>>> order.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>> At one  time we had a list member named Steve who had a problem 
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> spelling
>>>>>>> and grammar. At that  time it was determined that spelling and
>>>>>>>  grammatical
>>>>>>> errors were not fair game. It simply would  have been to easy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Rummy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a message  dated 11/10/2008 1:27:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>>>>  hparsons at parsonsys.com writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My  my  Slim, little overboard there, aren't  you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nah, I don't REALLY want to   put my 1099 up. I figured John would 
>>>>>>> bow
>>>>>>> out. He  did.
>>>>>>> You missed the  percentage, by a considerable  amount.
>>>>>>> I don't belong to a fundamentalist   church.
>>>>>>> The church I belong to doesn't really tell me to  do much of
>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>> I've been there a while, they  know that telling me what to do
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> work  well
>>>>>>> Probably about 1/2 of what we give to charity goes  to  our local
>>>>>>> church.
>>>>>>> There are  several other entities that we give to as  well.
>>>>>>>  Cheerleader? Wow. Because I ride with a group of guys that pay 
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> respects at funerals? And you call ME "a  bore".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think if you'll  reread  my post, I never said anything similar to
>>>>>>>  "the
>>>>>>> white man didn't  take it away from them". As a  matter of fact, I
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> said just  the  opposite. They were defeated by a stronger enemy. 
>>>>>>> Look
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> little closer to  home for the  idiot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't care to kiss your ass,  not really into  that, but feel free
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> invite what  guys you can find that are. And, I  don't care where 
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>> born, you're still an idiot. If  you were born on  the Sisseton
>>>>>>> reservation in SD, I'd  figure you'd at least know the tribe  was
>>>>>>>  Sisseton
>>>>>>> not  Sissiton.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And, I never said anything  about fences,  but some tribes most
>>>>>>>  definitely
>>>>>>> had concepts of "land ownership". They   defended their hunting
>>>>>>> grounds
>>>>>>> against other tribes as  fiercely as the  white man defended their
>>>>>>>  fences.
>>>>>>> Two cultures clashed, the more advanced  of  the two prevailed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, it's a moot  point. I was talking about the  founding fathers,
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>  the "white man" in general. The founding fathers  were not involved
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> breaking treaties, decimation of tribes, or the   spreading of
>>>>>>> smallpox.
>>>>>>> South Dakota was the still the  mostly unexplored  frontier, and I
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> think they  (the founding fathers) had much exposure  to the 
>>>>>>> Sisseton
>>>>>>> tribe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  And none of that has anything to do with John's  stupid statement
>>>>>>> about
>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> "final  solution".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have much in  the  way of charity or compassion for folks 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>  are
>>>>>>> long since gone. Not much  I can do for  them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steven Alm  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Herb,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Do you have any  idea how much you sound like you're talking out
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>  ass?
>>>>>>>> Do you really want to put up your 1099 to show  off what you've
>>>>>>>> donated
>>>>>>>>  to
>>>>>>>> charity?   You're such a bore.  I'm  going to  guess that maybe you
>>>>>>>>  tithe
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> full 10% to your  fundamentalist church  because they tell you
>>>>>>>> to--out
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> false compassion.   And the money  goes to your church--not 
>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>  real.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> at best a  small  percentage.  I know you donate your time riding
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> motorcycle  around for stuff but is that  actually giving?  You're 
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>   cheerleader.  Great.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As  for the Native Americans you  don't seem to have a grasp on
>>>>>>>>  history.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Just
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> because  the Injuns  didn't have a concept of land ownership or
>>>>>>>> fences
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  doesn't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> mean  the  white man didn't take it away from them.  You're an
>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> Indians were living  in the stone-age and were decimated by the
>>>>>>>> white
>>>>>>>>  man
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  out
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of greed  and arrogance.  There was no need for  that.  To say that
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> simply met a stronger  enemy completely  usurps all that compassion
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>  charity that you espouse.  You're  full of shit!  I was born on 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Sissiton
>>>>>>>> reservation in  South  Dakota and you can kiss my  ass!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Slim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun,  Nov 9, 2008  at 10:36 PM, John Shulick 
>>>>>>>> <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  "John,"
>>>>>>>>> (at least  you are capable of  starting a post properly by
>>>>>>>>> addressing
>>>>>>>>>  me
>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>  name. I  assumed you were ignorant at first but now I see  you're
>>>>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>>>>  rude.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Go screw   yourself."
>>>>>>>>> (Sorry to old to bend that way anymore  perhaps you  could send a
>>>>>>>>> pic
>>>>>>>>>  of
>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>> you accomplish  it  yourself.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  "I've never offered anything like a ""final   solution"".
>>>>>>>>> You're reference reveals you for what  you  are."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (you  have no clue as to who or what I   am)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As far as me  "detesting" anyone, you again speak  from total
>>>>>>>>> ignorance.
>>>>>>>>> I'll make  a deal with you though, I'll make  my tax returns for
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>> 10 years  public on here to show how  much I've given to charity 
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>>>> do the   same.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (Do you recall  the parable of the pharisee and  the old woman who
>>>>>>>>> went
>>>>>>>>>  to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> temple to  make  sacrifice?)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  You ready to put up? I doubt it. I suspect  the size of your 
>>>>>>>>> mouth
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> exceeded mainly by your ego, and your   actions are far lacking
>>>>>>>>>  compared
>>>>>>>>> to   either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (In the mouth  and ego department its no  contest you  win)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If the government  determines a need  for social charity programs,
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> should do so by  purchasing land  they need. Simple. If it's  too
>>>>>>>>> expensive, buy   elsewhere.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (that's  what is happening in this instance  so what's your
>>>>>>>>> problem)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As to your  notion about  "stealing it from the original owners",
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> land are you  talking  about? You'll have to be a little more
>>>>>>>>> specific.
>>>>>>>>> Some of  the  Indian tribes didn't ascribe to the notion of 
>>>>>>>>> "owning
>>>>>>>>> land".
>>>>>>>>>   Others regularly took land from each other by armed conflict. 
>>>>>>>>> So,
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> "theft" was  actually their normally accepted means of  transfer,
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> simply were defeated by a stronger   enemy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (like white men  with guns and smallpox infested  blankets? do the
>>>>>>>>> words
>>>>>>>>> "trail of  tears" mean anything to   you?)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  --
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  http://www.nabble.c
>>> om/for-Brad%27s-eyes-and-those-who-reason-only-...-tp20405744p20414236.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Mon,  10 Nov 2008 09:46:51 -0600
>>> From: "ben"  <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  my last word on the election
>>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'"  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Message-ID:  <000601c9434b$8e17c360$aa474a20$@com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> That was very close
>>> Haiku is a fine art  form
>>> The first line needs work
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original  Message-----
>>> From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]  On Behalf Of stan
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 9:53
>>> To: The Rhodes  22 mail list
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] my last word on the  election
>>>
>>> We Americans have not changed
>>>
>>> we still  rely on black folk
>>>
>>> to clean up our  mess
>>>
>>>
>>> ss
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message:  7
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:56:17 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: Just bent  <j.bulfer at jbtek.com>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list]  question about  electricity
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Message-ID:  <20422568.post at talk.nabble.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>>
>>> Went sailing yesterday in somewhat stormy weather.  Had a great day. 
>>> When
>>> we
>>> got back to the dock, when you touch the boat, you  would get shocked. I
>>> unhooked the battery & still got shocked. Was it  static electricity 
>>> from
>>> the
>>> storm?
>>> Jb
>>>
>>> Jb  http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message:  8
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:13:26 -0500
>>> From: "Ron Singerman"  <sail at tds.net>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] St Petersburg boat show. For  stan
>>> To: "Rhodes list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Message-ID:  <D1D6AAF915EB4FEE9B55C76F6D2FFE4C at computer>
>>> Content-Type:  text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> stan,
>>>
>>> Will you be  represented at the St Pete show?
>>>
>>> Fair winds and following  seas,
>>>
>>>>>ron<<
>>> S/V  Serenity
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Mon,  10 Nov 2008 11:15:03 EST
>>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list] question about electricity
>>> To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Message-ID:  <cb9.3c17dc54.3649b807 at aol.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="US-ASCII"
>>>
>>> JB,
>>>
>>> Yes, what you experienced is static  electricity. It wasn't caused by 
>>> the
>>> storms, but it is a natural  phenomenon that has been discussed 
>>> previously
>>> on
>>>
>>> this forum many  years ago. Your boat is basically a "plastic" boat. You
>>> have
>>>
>>> plastic  sails and metal thrown in for good measure. The sails are the
>>> most
>>> likely culprit and the fiberglass and the rest of the boat are the
>>> storage
>>> battery. The shock is even more noticeable when bare skin is  involved,
>>> like
>>> a  bare
>>> belly hanging over a rail. That will really  get your attention, even 
>>> when
>>> drunk.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a  message dated 11/10/2008 10:57:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> j.bulfer at jbtek.com writes:
>>>
>>>
>>> Went  sailing yesterday in  somewhat stormy weather. Had a great day. 
>>> When
>>> we
>>> got  back to the  dock, when you touch the boat, you would get shocked. 
>>> I
>>> unhooked the  battery & still got shocked. Was it static electricity 
>>> from
>>> the
>>> storm?
>>> Jb
>>>
>>> Jb   http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
>>> --
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>>> Message:  10
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:20:07 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: Tootle  <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list]  question about  shocking Rhodes 22's
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Message-ID:  <20423031.post at talk.nabble.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>>
>>> Jay:
>>>
>>> You are not the first to experience  this!  Several years ago, Carol 
>>> Nixon
>>> of
>>> Colorado had that very  problem.  She does not usually respond to this
>>> list
>>> although she is  still shown in the digested listing.
>>>
>>> You might want to contact  her to find out what she did.  We referred to
>>> her
>>> as lady with  shocking Rhodes 22.
>>>
>>> I posted pictures of her and her boat last  spring.
>>>
>>> Ed K
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just bent wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Went  sailing yesterday in somewhat stormy weather. Had a great day. 
>>>> When
>>>> we  got back to the dock, when you touch the boat, you would get 
>>>> shocked.
>>>> I
>>>> unhooked the battery & still got shocked. Was it static  electricity 
>>>> from
>>>> the storm?
>>>> Jb
>>>>
>>>> Jb  http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
>>>>  http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
>>>>  http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
>>>>  http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message:  11
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:22:46 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: Tootle  <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list]  Sailboats with  water in desert...
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Message-ID:  <20423082.post at talk.nabble.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>>
>>> Imagine, sailboats with water in the desert.   Maybe that is where all
>>> Rummy's
>>> water is?
>>>
>>> Nice pictures.
>>>
>>> Ed K
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> quote author="Just bent">
>>> Went sailing  yesterday in somewhat stormy weather. Had a great day. 
>>> When
>>> we
>>> got back to  the dock, when you touch the boat, you would get shocked. I
>>> unhooked the  battery & still got shocked. Was it static electricity 
>>> from
>>> the
>>> storm?
>>> Jb
>>>
>>> Jb  http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message:  12
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:25:00 EST
>>> From:  R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] question about shocking  Rhodes 22's
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Message-ID:  <d4e.3e7b8fe7.3649ba5c at aol.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="US-ASCII"
>>>
>>> Jay,
>>> The last time we discussed this, I actually  took a volt meter and
>>> measured
>>> 22 volts. I took the measurement from  the offending rail and grounded 
>>> the
>>> negative end to the outboard  which was in the water. The meter went to
>>> 22/23
>>>
>>> volts and then  almost instantly disappeared. Waiting a few minutes
>>> produced
>>> the
>>> same results. Since our boats are all 12 volt systems with 110 volt 
>>> thrown
>>> in
>>> occasionally, it ruled out any source within the boat. The  amperage was
>>> really
>>> low, so it was more of a nuisance shock than anything  dangerous.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 11/10/2008 11:20:30 A.M.  Eastern Standard Time,
>>> ekroposki at charter.net  writes:
>>>
>>>
>>> Jay:
>>>
>>> You are not the first to experience this!   Several  years ago, Carol
>>> Nixon of
>>> Colorado had that very  problem.  She does  not usually respond to this
>>> list
>>> although she  is still shown in the  digested listing.
>>>
>>> You might want to  contact her to find out what  she did.  We referred 
>>> to
>>> her
>>> as  lady with shocking Rhodes 22.
>>>
>>> I  posted pictures of her and her  boat last spring.
>>>
>>> Ed  K
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just bent wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Went sailing yesterday in  somewhat stormy weather. Had a great  day.
>>>> When
>>>> we got back to the  dock, when you touch the boat, you  would get
>>>> shocked. I
>>>> unhooked the  battery & still got  shocked. Was it static electricity
>>>> from
>>>> the  storm?
>>>>  Jb
>>>>
>>>> Jb   http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
>>>>   http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
>>>>   http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
>>>>   http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message:  13
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:25:33 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: Tootle  <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list]  When you are  dealing with Democrats, think
>>> of this ...
>>> To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>>
>>> Brad,
>>>
>>> When you are dealing with Democrats,  think of  this:
>>>
>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/11/09/2008-11-09_councilman_vows
>>> _to_quit_alcohol_after_pu.html
>>>
>>> Ed  K
>>> --
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>>> ealing-with-Democrats%2C-think-of-this-...-tp20423136p20423136.html
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message:  14
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:30:42 EST
>>> From:  R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] When you are dealing with  Democrats,
>>> think of this ...
>>> To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Message-ID:  <c61.3c981885.3649bbb2 at aol.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="US-ASCII"
>>>
>>> Ed,
>>> Must have been all republicans beneath him.  Sure was a waste of a good
>>> drink
>>> though.  :)
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 11/10/2008 11:26:28 A.M. Eastern  Standard Time,
>>> ekroposki at charter.net  writes:
>>>
>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/11/09/2008-11-09_councilman_vows
>>> _to_quit_alcohol_after_pu.html
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message:  15
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:46:21 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: John Shulick  <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] When you are  dealing with Democrats,
>>> think of this ...
>>> To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>>>
>>>
>>> Ed,
>>>
>>> Amusing. And you thought democrats  don't believe in "Trickle Down
>>> Economics"
>>>
>>> John  Shulick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/11/09/2008-11-09_councilman_vows
>>> _to_quit_alcohol_after_pu.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message:  16
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:56:20 EST
>>> From:  R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] (Humor) Banister of  Life...
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="US-ASCII"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As You  Slide  Down the Banister of Life, Remember:
>>>
>>> 1. Jim Baker and Jimmy Swaggert  have written an impressive  new book.
>>> It's
>>> called .........  'Ministers Do More Than Lay  People.'
>>>
>>> 2. Transvestite: A guy who  likes to eat, drink and be  Mary.
>>>
>>> 3. The difference between the  Pope and your boss, the Pope only 
>>> expects
>>> you
>>> to kiss his  ring.
>>>
>>> 4. My mind works like lightning, One  brilliant flash and it  is gone.
>>>
>>> 5. The only time the world beats a  path to your door is  if you're in 
>>> the
>>> bathroom.
>>>
>>> 6. I hate sex in the  movies. Tried  it once. The seat folded up, the
>>> drink
>>> spilled and that ice,  well,  it really chilled the mood.
>>>
>>> 7. It used to be only death and  taxes  were inevitable Now, of course,
>>> there's shipping and handling,   too.
>>>
>>> 8. A husband is someone who, after taking the trash out,  gives  the
>>> impression that he just cleaned the whole house.
>>>
>>> 9.  My next house  will have no kitchen - just vending machines and a
>>> large
>>> trash  can.
>>>
>>> 10. A blonde said, 'I was worried that my mechanic  might try to  rip me
>>> off.
>>> I was relieved when he told me all I needed  was turn signal  fluid.'
>>>
>>> 11. My neighbor was bit by a stray rabid  dog. I went to see  how he was
>>> and
>>> found him writing frantically on a  piece of paper.
>>> I told  him rabies could be treated, and he didn't  have to worry about 
>>> a
>>> Will.
>>> He said, 'Will? What Will? I'm  making a list of the people I want to
>>> bite.'
>>>
>>> 12. Definition of a  teenager?  God's punishment... for  enjoying sex.
>>>
>>> 13. As you  slide down the banister of life, may the  splinters never
>>> point
>>> the  wrong way.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message:  17
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:57:03 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: John Shulick  <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] question about  shocking Rhodes 22's
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>>
>>> Rummy,
>>>
>>> Was there a consensus reached about  electrical grounding on a sailboat?
>>> I've
>>> given the matter some thought and  could make an argument either way but
>>> would appreciate any input from more  experienced people such as 
>>> yourself.
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>> John  Shulick
>>>
>>>
>>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jay,
>>>> The last  time we discussed this, I actually took a volt meter and
>>>> measured
>>>
>>>> 22 volts. I took the measurement from the offending rail and grounded
>>>> the
>>>> negative end to the outboard which was in the water. The  meter went to
>>>> 22/23
>>>> volts and then almost instantly  disappeared. Waiting a few minutes
>>>> produced the
>>>> same  results. Since our boats are all 12 volt systems with 110 volt
>>>> thrown
>>>>  in
>>>> occasionally, it ruled out any source within the boat. The  amperage 
>>>> was
>>>> really
>>>>  low, so it was more of a nuisance  shock than anything dangerous.
>>>>
>>>> Rummy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 11/10/2008 11:20:30 A.M. Eastern  Standard Time,
>>>> ekroposki at charter.net writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jay:
>>>>
>>>> You are not the first to experience this!   Several  years ago, Carol
>>>> Nixon
>>>> of
>>>> Colorado had that very  problem.  She does  not usually respond to this
>>>> list
>>>>  although she is still shown in the  digested listing.
>>>>
>>>> You might want to contact her to find out what  she did.   We referred 
>>>> to
>>>> her
>>>> as lady with shocking Rhodes 22.
>>>>
>>>> I  posted pictures of her and her boat last spring.
>>>>
>>>> Ed  K
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just bent  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Went sailing yesterday in  somewhat  stormy weather. Had a great day.
>>>>> When
>>>>> we got back to the   dock, when you touch the boat, you would get
>>>>> shocked.
>>>>>  I
>>>>> unhooked the  battery & still got shocked. Was it  static electricity
>>>>> from
>>>>> the  storm?
>>>>>  Jb
>>>>>
>>>>> Jb   http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
>>>>>   http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
>>>>>   http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
>>>>>   http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
>>> Message:  18
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:58:09 -0500
>>> From: "Michael D. Weisner"  <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] question about  electricity
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Message-ID:  <B61F6996D13A4BA09C617101740CF42D at ebsoffice>
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>>> reply-type=original
>>>
>>> Jb,
>>>
>>> The first pic is just fabulous!   For an northeast boater, the
>>> foothills/mountains show that it is not like  any water that we sail in
>>> here
>>> on the LI Sound.  Beautiful - and the  water still feels wet and you can
>>> sail
>>> on the stuff?  Here, boats are  hauled and wrapped, the leaves have 
>>> nearly
>>> all fallen (we did have one of  the prettiest autumns in years) ...  Now
>>> if
>>> only we could sail on  snow!
>>>
>>> As far as static electricity accumulating on the hull goes, it is
>>> probably
>>> due to the lack of humidity.  Just as it occurs on  airplanes, the winds
>>> redistribute electrons, causing a charge to build up  on the insulated
>>> (fiberglass) hull.  The simplest way to remedy this  is to provide a
>>> leakage
>>> path to the water.  All conductive metal  objects (motor housing, rails,
>>> mast, rigging, etc.) should be connected  together via a small wire (no
>>> real
>>> current is involved) and terminated at  a fixture that is exposed to the
>>> water.  Care should be taken to make  connection to the water away from
>>> gasoline vapors (not at the motor or  mount) and using a "sacrificial
>>> anode",
>>> something that you would not miss,  as it may be consumed by galvanic
>>> corrosion in the process of transferring  the charge.  See
>>> http://www.boatus.com/boattech/casey/23.htm
>>>
>>> The creation of static  electricity in this manner has been a real 
>>> problem
>>> in
>>> biking (bicycles)  due to the use of nylon suits and composite helmets.
>>> Some
>>> people  have had good results using antistatic preparations such as 
>>> fabric
>>> softeners to solve the problem.  While treating the hull with wax
>>> increases
>>> the static generation ability, applying fabric softener  solutions may
>>> reduce
>>> the generated potential, although the combination may  cause an unsafe,
>>> very
>>> slippery surface.
>>>
>>> You need to find a way to  harness the potential energy that you have
>>> created
>>> rather than just  discharge it.  How about a static electricity motor - 
>>> I
>>> think that  John Galt knew something about this ...
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer  ('81)
>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>
>>> From: "Just bent"  <j.bulfer at jbtek.com> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008
>>> 10:56
>>>
>>> AM
>>>>
>>>> Went sailing yesterday in somewhat stormy weather. Had  a great day. 
>>>> When
>>>> we
>>>> got back to the dock, when you touch the  boat, you would get shocked. 
>>>> I
>>>> unhooked the battery & still got  shocked. Was it static electricity 
>>>> from
>>>> the
>>>> storm?
>>>>  Jb
>>>>
>>>> Jb  http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
>>>>  http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
>>>>  http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
>>>>  http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
>>>> --
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>>>>
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