[Rhodes22-list] Complaint to List Admin

Thu Nov 13 11:27:25 EST 2008

Ben,

As usual, I truly enjoy the way you say things.  Good Show!!

Hank

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>wrote:

>
> Folks;
>
> Please put me on the side of the ledger of those who DO NOT want to Herb
> removed from the list.
>
> Having joined the list only this past summer in anticipation of taking
> delivery of my very first  R22 I must say that my exposure to Herb has been
> brief, but intense.
>
> I won't go into a big song and dance about my reasons except to say that as
> much as I wish it were not so, I still find it practically impossible to
> drive past a horrible wreck on the interstate without slowing a little to
> take a peek. God forgive me.
>
> Best wishes to all (especially to Herb);
>
> Ben C.
>
>
>
> hparsons wrote:
> >
> > Michael,
> >
> > I was actually going to sit by and watch these without response, but you
> > mused on one thing that I think merits a response:
> >
> > =====
> > It is for this reason that I will not place a filter on Herb's traffic,
> > although others are free to do so (Herb has even volunteered to help
> > these people set up such as filter, although his motivation for such an
> > offer of help eludes me.)
> > =====
> >
> > I volunteered to do so because I was calling their bluff. I do not
> > believe for an instant that those that are complaining loudly really
> > want to simply ignore my posts. Were that true, the whole thing would be
> > simple enough, the technology exists for them to completely ignore them.
> > My offer removes the "I don't know how to do it" excuse.
> >
> > Brad touched on this, and actually expressed my views to just about to a
> > T. Most of those that really just don't want to be bothered with my
> > posts do what I do with the ones I don't particularly want to be
> > bothered with. They just ignore/delete them. However, there are a group
> > of folks on here that want to be free to spew THEIR vitriol without
> > response. That's what's "wrong and selfish".
> >
> > And yes Slim, when you say that anyone that believes in God, or has
> > religious convictions, is a religious kook, that's vitriol. That's
> > baiting. That's being a troll. Make use of that mirror that Brad spoke
> of.
> >
> > I've never attacked anyone on here, or anyone else, for not believing
> > the way I do. I resent having my views treated that way, and will
> > respond accordingly.
> >
> > So, again to summarize, the reason I offer to help folks is to point out
> > the hypocrisy of their statements that they simply don't want to see my
> > messages. The truth is, they don't want anyone to see my messages. They
> > want to be free to have one side expressed, and only one side.
> >
> > Slim's latest attempt is further evidence of that.
> >
> >
> > Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> >> Although I have been annoyed by Herb's actions at times, I cannot and
> >> would
> >> not support such an action.  Steve (Slim), I think that you have
> >> overreacted
> >> to Herb's recent activity.  This forum provides a method of dealing with
> >> this kind of behavior through discussion without resorting to
> >> administrative
> >> censure.
> >>
> >> Yes, Herb does bully and annoy people, but do we want participants to be
> >> so
> >> afraid of administrative removal that we do not say what is important
> and
> >> on
> >> our minds?  This is what the world is like and our sailor's bar is but a
> >> small sample of the world.  I appreciate Herb's intelligence (when he
> >> does
> >> not just shoot the messenger for the heck of it) and those pearls that
> he
> >> occasionally publishes such as his friend's blog and sailing adventures.
> >> To
> >> remove such a person is to lessen the experience of life.  It is for
> this
> >> reason that I will not place a filter on Herb's traffic, although others
> >> are
> >> free to do so (Herb has even volunteered to help these people set up
> such
> >> as
> >> filter, although his motivation for such an offer of help eludes me.)
> >>
> >> I think (statement of opinion, Herb) that we can deal with the situation
> >> as
> >> a community, expressing personal beliefs and such, as long as the
> >> discussion
> >> does not become a slugfest or personal attack.  I would ask that Herb
> >> think
> >> a bit longer before responding, lest he respond only to achieve the last
> >> word.  Others are free to advise that they would not like to hear from
> >> Herb.
> >> Hopefully, through this exchange, we will seek a new level of
> discussion,
> >> appropriate to most who contribute to "da list."  Those who are unhappy
> >> with
> >> the traffic as being "not about sailing a Rhodes 22" or too caustic
> >> subject
> >> matter are free to start their own list.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
> >>        Nissequogue River, NY
> >>
> >> From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13,
> >> 2008
> >> 3:36 AM
> >>
> >>> To JLo and MJM,
> >>>
> >>> We have a troll on our list that has been causing problems and
> >>> instilling
> >>> hatred and posting foul diatribes for months now.  He has caused many
> to
> >>> filter him out and/or delete his posts in disgust.  I, myself have
> >>> received
> >>> numerous back-channel messages complaining about him and his rude and
> >>> inappropriate posts.  This should come to a halt.  As a member of this
> >>> fine
> >>> community of Rhodes owners for some 8 or 9 years, I've seen only one
> >>> other
> >>> member who has shown such a disrespect for others here on the Rhodes
> >>> list.
> >>> That individual was ultimately relieved of his status here and
> >>> thankfully
> >>> is
> >>> no longer a member.  I recommend that this troll be sanctioned and no
> >>> longer
> >>> be allowed to participate in our otherwise polite and courteous
> exchange
> >>> of
> >>> sailing and/or other topics.  He has disrupted our list for too long
> and
> >>> has
> >>> caused too many arguments for the rest of us to be comfortable with
> >>> posting
> >>> our usual thoughts on any given topic without being lambasted with his
> >>> vitriol.  He continues to insult anyone and everyone who disagrees with
> >>> his
> >>> positions and in doing so has created an environment of hostility that
> >>> has
> >>> made the Rhodes list a den of venom.  I'm referring to Herb Parsons.  I
> >>> ask
> >>> that you consider removing him from our group.  He contributes little
> >>> other
> >>> than arguments and stifles many from contributing to this wonderful
> >>> forum.
> >>> I want him out!
> >>>
> >>> Steve Alm  aka  "Slim"
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