[Rhodes22-list] Complaint to List Admin

Herb Parsons hparsons at parsonsys.com
Thu Nov 13 12:39:28 EST 2008


I think it's fun when someone gives me that much power over them. Think 
about it.

Ben Cittadino wrote:
> Folks;
>
> Please put me on the side of the ledger of those who DO NOT want to Herb
> removed from the list.
>
> Having joined the list only this past summer in anticipation of taking
> delivery of my very first  R22 I must say that my exposure to Herb has been
> brief, but intense.
>
> I won't go into a big song and dance about my reasons except to say that as
> much as I wish it were not so, I still find it practically impossible to
> drive past a horrible wreck on the interstate without slowing a little to
> take a peek. God forgive me.
>
> Best wishes to all (especially to Herb);
>
> Ben C.
>
>
>
> hparsons wrote:
>   
>> Michael,
>>
>> I was actually going to sit by and watch these without response, but you 
>> mused on one thing that I think merits a response:
>>
>> =====
>> It is for this reason that I will not place a filter on Herb's traffic, 
>> although others are free to do so (Herb has even volunteered to help 
>> these people set up such as filter, although his motivation for such an 
>> offer of help eludes me.)
>> =====
>>
>> I volunteered to do so because I was calling their bluff. I do not 
>> believe for an instant that those that are complaining loudly really 
>> want to simply ignore my posts. Were that true, the whole thing would be 
>> simple enough, the technology exists for them to completely ignore them. 
>> My offer removes the "I don't know how to do it" excuse.
>>
>> Brad touched on this, and actually expressed my views to just about to a 
>> T. Most of those that really just don't want to be bothered with my 
>> posts do what I do with the ones I don't particularly want to be 
>> bothered with. They just ignore/delete them. However, there are a group 
>> of folks on here that want to be free to spew THEIR vitriol without 
>> response. That's what's "wrong and selfish".
>>
>> And yes Slim, when you say that anyone that believes in God, or has 
>> religious convictions, is a religious kook, that's vitriol. That's 
>> baiting. That's being a troll. Make use of that mirror that Brad spoke of.
>>
>> I've never attacked anyone on here, or anyone else, for not believing 
>> the way I do. I resent having my views treated that way, and will 
>> respond accordingly.
>>
>> So, again to summarize, the reason I offer to help folks is to point out 
>> the hypocrisy of their statements that they simply don't want to see my 
>> messages. The truth is, they don't want anyone to see my messages. They 
>> want to be free to have one side expressed, and only one side.
>>
>> Slim's latest attempt is further evidence of that.
>>
>>
>> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>>     
>>> Although I have been annoyed by Herb's actions at times, I cannot and
>>> would 
>>> not support such an action.  Steve (Slim), I think that you have
>>> overreacted 
>>> to Herb's recent activity.  This forum provides a method of dealing with 
>>> this kind of behavior through discussion without resorting to
>>> administrative 
>>> censure.
>>>
>>> Yes, Herb does bully and annoy people, but do we want participants to be
>>> so 
>>> afraid of administrative removal that we do not say what is important and
>>> on 
>>> our minds?  This is what the world is like and our sailor's bar is but a 
>>> small sample of the world.  I appreciate Herb's intelligence (when he
>>> does 
>>> not just shoot the messenger for the heck of it) and those pearls that he 
>>> occasionally publishes such as his friend's blog and sailing adventures. 
>>> To 
>>> remove such a person is to lessen the experience of life.  It is for this 
>>> reason that I will not place a filter on Herb's traffic, although others
>>> are 
>>> free to do so (Herb has even volunteered to help these people set up such
>>> as 
>>> filter, although his motivation for such an offer of help eludes me.)
>>>
>>> I think (statement of opinion, Herb) that we can deal with the situation
>>> as 
>>> a community, expressing personal beliefs and such, as long as the
>>> discussion 
>>> does not become a slugfest or personal attack.  I would ask that Herb
>>> think 
>>> a bit longer before responding, lest he respond only to achieve the last 
>>> word.  Others are free to advise that they would not like to hear from
>>> Herb. 
>>> Hopefully, through this exchange, we will seek a new level of discussion, 
>>> appropriate to most who contribute to "da list."  Those who are unhappy
>>> with 
>>> the traffic as being "not about sailing a Rhodes 22" or too caustic
>>> subject 
>>> matter are free to start their own list.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
>>>        Nissequogue River, NY
>>>
>>> From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13,
>>> 2008 
>>> 3:36 AM
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> To JLo and MJM,
>>>>
>>>> We have a troll on our list that has been causing problems and
>>>> instilling
>>>> hatred and posting foul diatribes for months now.  He has caused many to
>>>> filter him out and/or delete his posts in disgust.  I, myself have 
>>>> received
>>>> numerous back-channel messages complaining about him and his rude and
>>>> inappropriate posts.  This should come to a halt.  As a member of this 
>>>> fine
>>>> community of Rhodes owners for some 8 or 9 years, I've seen only one
>>>> other
>>>> member who has shown such a disrespect for others here on the Rhodes
>>>> list.
>>>> That individual was ultimately relieved of his status here and
>>>> thankfully 
>>>> is
>>>> no longer a member.  I recommend that this troll be sanctioned and no 
>>>> longer
>>>> be allowed to participate in our otherwise polite and courteous exchange 
>>>> of
>>>> sailing and/or other topics.  He has disrupted our list for too long and 
>>>> has
>>>> caused too many arguments for the rest of us to be comfortable with 
>>>> posting
>>>> our usual thoughts on any given topic without being lambasted with his
>>>> vitriol.  He continues to insult anyone and everyone who disagrees with 
>>>> his
>>>> positions and in doing so has created an environment of hostility that
>>>> has
>>>> made the Rhodes list a den of venom.  I'm referring to Herb Parsons.  I 
>>>> ask
>>>> that you consider removing him from our group.  He contributes little 
>>>> other
>>>> than arguments and stifles many from contributing to this wonderful
>>>> forum.
>>>> I want him out!
>>>>
>>>> Steve Alm  aka  "Slim"
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