[Rhodes22-list] Complaint to Slim - Political reply to his Political Post -

[elle]

Oh, yea....one more thing....

Yes, we're at a bar....and I've done my share of table dancing, but nontheless, there are LADIES present.....

Seriously...maybe if some of the more graphic elements were toned down...

Did I ever tell the story about when I was teaching in central WVA...back in a 'holler'.so poor that my Fed loans were reduced by 15% and not the traditional 10%...so poor that when there was a coal mine strike all the kids had to bring coal to school to heat the building...so poor that one family that had @ 14 or 15 kids (NO social commentary, please) and not all the kids were ever in school at the same time as there were not enough clothes...But I digress...I was teaching gr. 4-8; Bennie was a 6'something 16-year-old in the 6th grade....(not unusual...these kids were BIG)...I was @21, 4'11" & about #90.....but witha mean kick to the shins...& I had my paddle....;^) But he was big & tried to let me keep that in mind. (Big deal)

Bennie was writing in the back of his book...fuk..fuk...I walked over to him & just watched...he was aware of my presence...and defiantly continued his defacement. 

I reached down, put my hand over his & helped him write the errant 'c' in its proper place.

He was mortified...adding the 'c' made it a dirty word..and he had the character to realize it. 

So, guys,, my messsge is you're not leaving out the 'c' ...and my instincts tell me you're quite a bit more literate than you're coming across...

Can we be a bit less graphic & maybe challenge the readers to use their imaginations a bit more?

elle

Yea, I'm in a bad mood. Want to make something of it...?  ;^)

We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.

1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)


--- On Thu, 11/13/08, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Complaint to Slim - Political reply to his Political Post -
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 1:35 PM
> Andrew,
> 
> Stop it!  Stop it all you chickenshits!  If you want to
> have a
> discussion we'll have a discussion but I've seen
> this before on this
> list and I won't stand by and watch you do it again. 
> You have your
> opinion, others have theirs.  I've left this list three
> times and came
> back every time because one of you got tired of your mental
> masturbation party and invited me back.  Stop it!  Let Herb
> have his
> voice heard!  If what you really want is a circle jerk
> amongst
> yourselves then just say so.
> 
> Brad
> 
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Andrew Collins
> <sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Herb
> >
> > How do you classify the free-market socialism that is
> being imposed on us by
> > Paulson, Bernanke and so forth. We are paying for a
> horrible lack of
> > leadership, greed run amok, even Dubya says the Wall
> St has a hang-over,
> > which is not an endorsement! I am not assigning blame
> here, although I have
> > very strong opinions on this, merely pointing out
> inconvenient and
> > unfortunate facts.
> >
> > These guys are not productive, they were destructive,
> now they won't lend,
> > so they are not productive in that sense.
> > We are a society. How do reconcile that with
> individualism and paying your
> > own way - your words. These guys are sucking the teat
> of the gubmint like no
> > one ever has before. These 36 O rings are free market
> socialists.
> >
> > John Schulick is paying his own way, he works, pays
> taxes, hustles and has
> > an R22 to keep him sane, just like the rest of us.
> >
> > You are generally logical but not rational in your
> diatribes, here I do not
> > get it. I know you see what is happening out there,
> how do you square it?
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Herb Parsons
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:
> >
> >> John, you've made an incorrect leap.
> Non-productive is a description.
> >> Sorry you don't like it, but in the context of
> the discussion, it fit.
> >> It's not a "right", it's a
> factual statement. The discussion was taxes.
> >> If you're not paying taxes, you're not
> productive in that sense. It's
> >> not a judgement call, it's just the way it is.
> >>
> >> I'm sorry if that offends you, I truly am, but
> that does not change my
> >> view.
> >>
> >> When you get more for the government then you put
> in, then you're
> >> non-productive in that sense. It doesn't mean
> you have no value, but it
> >> DOES mean that someone else is having to pay your
> way. Life costs money.
> >> I don't want to be forced to pay your way. If
> you don't like my view on
> >> that, I understand, but it's my view, and
> I'm entitled to it.
> >>
> >> However, your insinuation that I want to do
> something to folks in that
> >> situation, that I have some "final
> solution" was off the mark. You're
> >> simply wrong. You imposed on a view on me that is
> not mine. My "final
> >> solution" is to allow people to make their
> own choices, and live with
> >> the results of those choices.
> >>
> >> If/when you say nonsense like that, you can expect
> a similar response
> >> from me in the future.
> >>
> >> I would love to be a full time sailing captain. I
> have the credentials
> >> to do so. However, I do not have the belief that I
> can support my
> >> current bills and do so; so I will wait.
> That's my decision. It would be
> >> improper for me to insist that someone else cover
> my mortgage, feed my
> >> wife, grand-daughter, and daughter and pay my slip
> fees while I pursue
> >> what I want. I will pursue it when I believe I
> can. That's called
> >> responsibility.
> >>
> >> If you believe that it's OK to take money form
> one group to finance
> >> another, that's a socialist view. You may have
> other non-socialist views
> >> (usually, that would be capitalist views), enough
> to make you more of a
> >> capitalist than a socialist, but neither term is a
> stigma, they
> >> represent views.
> >>
> >> If you don't have those socialist views, then
> you understand completely
> >> the concept of paying your own way.
> >>
> >>
> >> John Shulick wrote:
> >> > quote author Tootle
> >> >
> >> > "I saw Herb responding to attacks and
> snide remarks on his beliefs.  John
> >> > S.'s remarks and innuendo set the tone. 
> He is the troll if there is
> >> one."
> >> >
> >> > Ed,
> >> >
> >> >    I will openly admit that my comments
> contributed to the current
> >> > situation. Now I'll tell you why I made
> them. Herbs' use of the word
> >> > "non-productive" really got under
> my skin. Tell me what right he has to
> >> > determine who's productive and who's
> not. Unless you have walked a mile
> >> in
> >> > that persons' shoes you have absolutely
> no idea of what had transpired in
> >> > that persons' life to put them in that
> situation. Once you've determined
> >> > they have no value and don't contribute
> what becomes of them. You don't
> >> want
> >> > to pay to educate them. They can't find
> work that pays them enough to
> >> feed
> >> > and house themselves so what's left? Let
> them wander homeless,
> >>  committing
> >> > crimes to stay alive until society has had
> enough? What I posted was the
> >> > logical conclusion of Herbs' thought and
> that enraged him. I understand
> >> > there was a tradition of someone announcing
> themselves to this forum, I
> >> > formally apologize to the list membership I
> will do so now. Hello
> >> everybody
> >> > on the Rhodes 22 forum, my name is John
> Shulick and I hail from
> >> Pittsburgh,
> >> > Pa. I'm 50 years old, for 30 years I
> tried to make a living as a vocalist
> >> by
> >> > performing as a member of the Pittsburgh
> opera chorus and soloist or
> >> section
> >> > leader for any church or temple who would
> hire me. In addition, because
> >> > being a vocalist pays next to nothing I have
> done menial labor my entire
> >> > life installing repairing and maintaining
> swimming pools in the
> >> Pittsburgh
> >> > area. My father died when I was 15 I was on
> my own by age 19. It took me
> >> 10
> >> > years to get my college degree(BM Duquesne
> University 86) in a
> >> combination
> >> > of full and part time attendance. My average
> annual income is less than
> >> 15K
> >> > a year and I've worked as many as 4 jobs
> at one time to earn that. If it
> >> > weren't for the fact my wife has a real
> job I would be living under a
> >> bridge
> >> > somewhere as one of Herbs' non-productive
> people. The purchase of my beat
> >> up
> >> > old 71 Rhodes is one of the high points in my
> life and it has been a
> >> great
> >> > joy refinishing the hull and teaching myself
> to sail it this year. I
> >> joined
> >> > this forum hoping to benefit from the
> accumulated knowledge here and I
> >> have.
> >> > I do not mind political discussion but I DO
> mind the constant insinuation
> >> > that my and others opinions name us as
> communist socialist and un
> >> american.
> >> > Sometimes Ed I wonder if you, Herb, and god
> (Brads' own label not mine)
> >> > simply post this stuff on a public forum to
> provoke fights? I respect you
> >> > because of your tremendous knowledge
> concerning the Rhodes 22 and sailing
> >> in
> >> > general but you insult me when your response
> to someone is go to Stan and
> >> > throw money at him as a solution to
> everything Rhodes. Some of us can't
> >> do
> >> > that. Oh and by the way I did catch
> you're oblique threat to me some
> >> months
> >> > ago made as an aside to Elle (shoot the
> western Pa turkey). Do it again
> >> and
> >> > I will see if Ben C. would like to own 1/3 of
> a marina. In his last post
> >> > Herb asked me what was up my butt. What's
> up my butt is the conservative
> >> > enema you three have placed there with your
> constant postings on your
> >> views.
> >> >
> >> > Nuff said
> >> >
> >> > John Shulick
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Slim,
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, at least you get extra credit for
> making your view public and
> >> >> for not taking a back-channel approach,
> but you are wrong. I don't see
> >> >> a man defending his reputation vigorously
> as engaging in vitriol.
> >> >> This group is no different than any other
> and is certainly capable of
> >> >> "gang behavior", and quite
> frankly, several of you have ganged-up on
> >> >> Herb as of late, including you Slim.
> >> >>
> >> >> "If you seek perfection, look in the
> mirror.  If you find it there,
> >> >> seek it in others".  M. Forbes
> >> >>
> >> >> Is what you are asking a sneak preview of
> the Fairness Doctrine? I
> >> >> don't like it already!  To my
> knowledge the only self-admitted
> >> >> "troll" on the list has already
> departed.  Herb is no troll.
> >> >>
> >> >> Slim, you and your comrades do what you
> think is best, but I think
> >> >> you're being unfair and selfish.
> >> >>
> >> >> Brad
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:36 AM, Steven
> Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> To JLo and MJM,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> We have a troll on our list that has
> been causing problems and
> >> instilling
> >> >>> hatred and posting foul diatribes for
> months now.  He has caused many
> >> to
> >> >>> filter him out and/or delete his
> posts in disgust.  I, myself have
> >> >>> received
> >> >>> numerous back-channel messages
> complaining about him and his rude and
> >> >>> inappropriate posts.  This should
> come to a halt.  As a member of this
> >> >>> fine
> >> >>> community of Rhodes owners for some 8
> or 9 years, I've seen only one
> >> >>> other
> >> >>> member who has shown such a
> disrespect for others here on the Rhodes
> >> >>> list.
> >> >>> That individual was ultimately
> relieved of his status here and
> >> thankfully
> >> >>> is
> >> >>> no longer a member.  I recommend that
> this troll be sanctioned and no
> >> >>> longer
> >> >>> be allowed to participate in our
> otherwise polite and courteous
> >> exchange
> >> >>> of
> >> >>> sailing and/or other topics.  He has
> disrupted our list for too long
> >> and
> >> >>> has
> >> >>> caused too many arguments for the
> rest of us to be comfortable with
> >> >>> posting
> >> >>> our usual thoughts on any given topic
> without being lambasted with his
> >> >>> vitriol.  He continues to insult
> anyone and everyone who disagrees with
> >> >>> his
> >> >>> positions and in doing so has created
> an environment of hostility that
> >> >>> has
> >> >>> made the Rhodes list a den of venom. 
> I'm referring to Herb Parsons.  I
> >> >>> ask
> >> >>> that you consider removing him from
> our group.  He contributes little
> >> >>> other
> >> >>> than arguments and stifles many from
> contributing to this wonderful
> >> >>> forum.
> >> >>> I want him out!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Steve Alm  aka  "Slim"
> >> >>>
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