[Rhodes22-list] Complaint to Slim - Political reply to his Political Post -
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Thu Nov 13 14:42:01 EST 2008
As you just very well related, sometimes adding the c gives exactly the
desired effect.
elle wrote:
> Oh, yea....one more thing....
>
> Yes, we're at a bar....and I've done my share of table dancing, but nontheless, there are LADIES present.....
>
> Seriously...maybe if some of the more graphic elements were toned down...
>
> Did I ever tell the story about when I was teaching in central WVA...back in a 'holler'.so poor that my Fed loans were reduced by 15% and not the traditional 10%...so poor that when there was a coal mine strike all the kids had to bring coal to school to heat the building...so poor that one family that had @ 14 or 15 kids (NO social commentary, please) and not all the kids were ever in school at the same time as there were not enough clothes...But I digress...I was teaching gr. 4-8; Bennie was a 6'something 16-year-old in the 6th grade....(not unusual...these kids were BIG)...I was @21, 4'11" & about #90.....but witha mean kick to the shins...& I had my paddle....;^) But he was big & tried to let me keep that in mind. (Big deal)
>
> Bennie was writing in the back of his book...fuk..fuk...I walked over to him & just watched...he was aware of my presence...and defiantly continued his defacement.
>
> I reached down, put my hand over his & helped him write the errant 'c' in its proper place.
>
> He was mortified...adding the 'c' made it a dirty word..and he had the character to realize it.
>
> So, guys,, my messsge is you're not leaving out the 'c' ...and my instincts tell me you're quite a bit more literate than you're coming across...
>
> Can we be a bit less graphic & maybe challenge the readers to use their imaginations a bit more?
>
> elle
>
> Yea, I'm in a bad mood. Want to make something of it...? ;^)
>
> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>
> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
>
>
> --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> From: Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Complaint to Slim - Political reply to his Political Post -
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 1:35 PM
>> Andrew,
>>
>> Stop it! Stop it all you chickenshits! If you want to
>> have a
>> discussion we'll have a discussion but I've seen
>> this before on this
>> list and I won't stand by and watch you do it again.
>> You have your
>> opinion, others have theirs. I've left this list three
>> times and came
>> back every time because one of you got tired of your mental
>> masturbation party and invited me back. Stop it! Let Herb
>> have his
>> voice heard! If what you really want is a circle jerk
>> amongst
>> yourselves then just say so.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Andrew Collins
>> <sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Herb
>>>
>>> How do you classify the free-market socialism that is
>>>
>> being imposed on us by
>>
>>> Paulson, Bernanke and so forth. We are paying for a
>>>
>> horrible lack of
>>
>>> leadership, greed run amok, even Dubya says the Wall
>>>
>> St has a hang-over,
>>
>>> which is not an endorsement! I am not assigning blame
>>>
>> here, although I have
>>
>>> very strong opinions on this, merely pointing out
>>>
>> inconvenient and
>>
>>> unfortunate facts.
>>>
>>> These guys are not productive, they were destructive,
>>>
>> now they won't lend,
>>
>>> so they are not productive in that sense.
>>> We are a society. How do reconcile that with
>>>
>> individualism and paying your
>>
>>> own way - your words. These guys are sucking the teat
>>>
>> of the gubmint like no
>>
>>> one ever has before. These 36 O rings are free market
>>>
>> socialists.
>>
>>> John Schulick is paying his own way, he works, pays
>>>
>> taxes, hustles and has
>>
>>> an R22 to keep him sane, just like the rest of us.
>>>
>>> You are generally logical but not rational in your
>>>
>> diatribes, here I do not
>>
>>> get it. I know you see what is happening out there,
>>>
>> how do you square it?
>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Herb Parsons
>>>
>> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:
>>
>>>> John, you've made an incorrect leap.
>>>>
>> Non-productive is a description.
>>
>>>> Sorry you don't like it, but in the context of
>>>>
>> the discussion, it fit.
>>
>>>> It's not a "right", it's a
>>>>
>> factual statement. The discussion was taxes.
>>
>>>> If you're not paying taxes, you're not
>>>>
>> productive in that sense. It's
>>
>>>> not a judgement call, it's just the way it is.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry if that offends you, I truly am, but
>>>>
>> that does not change my
>>
>>>> view.
>>>>
>>>> When you get more for the government then you put
>>>>
>> in, then you're
>>
>>>> non-productive in that sense. It doesn't mean
>>>>
>> you have no value, but it
>>
>>>> DOES mean that someone else is having to pay your
>>>>
>> way. Life costs money.
>>
>>>> I don't want to be forced to pay your way. If
>>>>
>> you don't like my view on
>>
>>>> that, I understand, but it's my view, and
>>>>
>> I'm entitled to it.
>>
>>>> However, your insinuation that I want to do
>>>>
>> something to folks in that
>>
>>>> situation, that I have some "final
>>>>
>> solution" was off the mark. You're
>>
>>>> simply wrong. You imposed on a view on me that is
>>>>
>> not mine. My "final
>>
>>>> solution" is to allow people to make their
>>>>
>> own choices, and live with
>>
>>>> the results of those choices.
>>>>
>>>> If/when you say nonsense like that, you can expect
>>>>
>> a similar response
>>
>>>> from me in the future.
>>>>
>>>> I would love to be a full time sailing captain. I
>>>>
>> have the credentials
>>
>>>> to do so. However, I do not have the belief that I
>>>>
>> can support my
>>
>>>> current bills and do so; so I will wait.
>>>>
>> That's my decision. It would be
>>
>>>> improper for me to insist that someone else cover
>>>>
>> my mortgage, feed my
>>
>>>> wife, grand-daughter, and daughter and pay my slip
>>>>
>> fees while I pursue
>>
>>>> what I want. I will pursue it when I believe I
>>>>
>> can. That's called
>>
>>>> responsibility.
>>>>
>>>> If you believe that it's OK to take money form
>>>>
>> one group to finance
>>
>>>> another, that's a socialist view. You may have
>>>>
>> other non-socialist views
>>
>>>> (usually, that would be capitalist views), enough
>>>>
>> to make you more of a
>>
>>>> capitalist than a socialist, but neither term is a
>>>>
>> stigma, they
>>
>>>> represent views.
>>>>
>>>> If you don't have those socialist views, then
>>>>
>> you understand completely
>>
>>>> the concept of paying your own way.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John Shulick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> quote author Tootle
>>>>>
>>>>> "I saw Herb responding to attacks and
>>>>>
>> snide remarks on his beliefs. John
>>
>>>>> S.'s remarks and innuendo set the tone.
>>>>>
>> He is the troll if there is
>>
>>>> one."
>>>>
>>>>> Ed,
>>>>>
>>>>> I will openly admit that my comments
>>>>>
>> contributed to the current
>>
>>>>> situation. Now I'll tell you why I made
>>>>>
>> them. Herbs' use of the word
>>
>>>>> "non-productive" really got under
>>>>>
>> my skin. Tell me what right he has to
>>
>>>>> determine who's productive and who's
>>>>>
>> not. Unless you have walked a mile
>>
>>>> in
>>>>
>>>>> that persons' shoes you have absolutely
>>>>>
>> no idea of what had transpired in
>>
>>>>> that persons' life to put them in that
>>>>>
>> situation. Once you've determined
>>
>>>>> they have no value and don't contribute
>>>>>
>> what becomes of them. You don't
>>
>>>> want
>>>>
>>>>> to pay to educate them. They can't find
>>>>>
>> work that pays them enough to
>>
>>>> feed
>>>>
>>>>> and house themselves so what's left? Let
>>>>>
>> them wander homeless,
>>
>>>> committing
>>>>
>>>>> crimes to stay alive until society has had
>>>>>
>> enough? What I posted was the
>>
>>>>> logical conclusion of Herbs' thought and
>>>>>
>> that enraged him. I understand
>>
>>>>> there was a tradition of someone announcing
>>>>>
>> themselves to this forum, I
>>
>>>>> formally apologize to the list membership I
>>>>>
>> will do so now. Hello
>>
>>>> everybody
>>>>
>>>>> on the Rhodes 22 forum, my name is John
>>>>>
>> Shulick and I hail from
>>
>>>> Pittsburgh,
>>>>
>>>>> Pa. I'm 50 years old, for 30 years I
>>>>>
>> tried to make a living as a vocalist
>>
>>>> by
>>>>
>>>>> performing as a member of the Pittsburgh
>>>>>
>> opera chorus and soloist or
>>
>>>> section
>>>>
>>>>> leader for any church or temple who would
>>>>>
>> hire me. In addition, because
>>
>>>>> being a vocalist pays next to nothing I have
>>>>>
>> done menial labor my entire
>>
>>>>> life installing repairing and maintaining
>>>>>
>> swimming pools in the
>>
>>>> Pittsburgh
>>>>
>>>>> area. My father died when I was 15 I was on
>>>>>
>> my own by age 19. It took me
>>
>>>> 10
>>>>
>>>>> years to get my college degree(BM Duquesne
>>>>>
>> University 86) in a
>>
>>>> combination
>>>>
>>>>> of full and part time attendance. My average
>>>>>
>> annual income is less than
>>
>>>> 15K
>>>>
>>>>> a year and I've worked as many as 4 jobs
>>>>>
>> at one time to earn that. If it
>>
>>>>> weren't for the fact my wife has a real
>>>>>
>> job I would be living under a
>>
>>>> bridge
>>>>
>>>>> somewhere as one of Herbs' non-productive
>>>>>
>> people. The purchase of my beat
>>
>>>> up
>>>>
>>>>> old 71 Rhodes is one of the high points in my
>>>>>
>> life and it has been a
>>
>>>> great
>>>>
>>>>> joy refinishing the hull and teaching myself
>>>>>
>> to sail it this year. I
>>
>>>> joined
>>>>
>>>>> this forum hoping to benefit from the
>>>>>
>> accumulated knowledge here and I
>>
>>>> have.
>>>>
>>>>> I do not mind political discussion but I DO
>>>>>
>> mind the constant insinuation
>>
>>>>> that my and others opinions name us as
>>>>>
>> communist socialist and un
>>
>>>> american.
>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes Ed I wonder if you, Herb, and god
>>>>>
>> (Brads' own label not mine)
>>
>>>>> simply post this stuff on a public forum to
>>>>>
>> provoke fights? I respect you
>>
>>>>> because of your tremendous knowledge
>>>>>
>> concerning the Rhodes 22 and sailing
>>
>>>> in
>>>>
>>>>> general but you insult me when your response
>>>>>
>> to someone is go to Stan and
>>
>>>>> throw money at him as a solution to
>>>>>
>> everything Rhodes. Some of us can't
>>
>>>> do
>>>>
>>>>> that. Oh and by the way I did catch
>>>>>
>> you're oblique threat to me some
>>
>>>> months
>>>>
>>>>> ago made as an aside to Elle (shoot the
>>>>>
>> western Pa turkey). Do it again
>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>> I will see if Ben C. would like to own 1/3 of
>>>>>
>> a marina. In his last post
>>
>>>>> Herb asked me what was up my butt. What's
>>>>>
>> up my butt is the conservative
>>
>>>>> enema you three have placed there with your
>>>>>
>> constant postings on your
>>
>>>> views.
>>>>
>>>>> Nuff said
>>>>>
>>>>> John Shulick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Slim,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, at least you get extra credit for
>>>>>>
>> making your view public and
>>
>>>>>> for not taking a back-channel approach,
>>>>>>
>> but you are wrong. I don't see
>>
>>>>>> a man defending his reputation vigorously
>>>>>>
>> as engaging in vitriol.
>>
>>>>>> This group is no different than any other
>>>>>>
>> and is certainly capable of
>>
>>>>>> "gang behavior", and quite
>>>>>>
>> frankly, several of you have ganged-up on
>>
>>>>>> Herb as of late, including you Slim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "If you seek perfection, look in the
>>>>>>
>> mirror. If you find it there,
>>
>>>>>> seek it in others". M. Forbes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is what you are asking a sneak preview of
>>>>>>
>> the Fairness Doctrine? I
>>
>>>>>> don't like it already! To my
>>>>>>
>> knowledge the only self-admitted
>>
>>>>>> "troll" on the list has already
>>>>>>
>> departed. Herb is no troll.
>>
>>>>>> Slim, you and your comrades do what you
>>>>>>
>> think is best, but I think
>>
>>>>>> you're being unfair and selfish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:36 AM, Steven
>>>>>>
>> Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com>
>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> To JLo and MJM,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have a troll on our list that has
>>>>>>>
>> been causing problems and
>>
>>>> instilling
>>>>
>>>>>>> hatred and posting foul diatribes for
>>>>>>>
>> months now. He has caused many
>>
>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>>>> filter him out and/or delete his
>>>>>>>
>> posts in disgust. I, myself have
>>
>>>>>>> received
>>>>>>> numerous back-channel messages
>>>>>>>
>> complaining about him and his rude and
>>
>>>>>>> inappropriate posts. This should
>>>>>>>
>> come to a halt. As a member of this
>>
>>>>>>> fine
>>>>>>> community of Rhodes owners for some 8
>>>>>>>
>> or 9 years, I've seen only one
>>
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> member who has shown such a
>>>>>>>
>> disrespect for others here on the Rhodes
>>
>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>> That individual was ultimately
>>>>>>>
>> relieved of his status here and
>>
>>>> thankfully
>>>>
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> no longer a member. I recommend that
>>>>>>>
>> this troll be sanctioned and no
>>
>>>>>>> longer
>>>>>>> be allowed to participate in our
>>>>>>>
>> otherwise polite and courteous
>>
>>>> exchange
>>>>
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> sailing and/or other topics. He has
>>>>>>>
>> disrupted our list for too long
>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> caused too many arguments for the
>>>>>>>
>> rest of us to be comfortable with
>>
>>>>>>> posting
>>>>>>> our usual thoughts on any given topic
>>>>>>>
>> without being lambasted with his
>>
>>>>>>> vitriol. He continues to insult
>>>>>>>
>> anyone and everyone who disagrees with
>>
>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>> positions and in doing so has created
>>>>>>>
>> an environment of hostility that
>>
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> made the Rhodes list a den of venom.
>>>>>>>
>> I'm referring to Herb Parsons. I
>>
>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>> that you consider removing him from
>>>>>>>
>> our group. He contributes little
>>
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> than arguments and stifles many from
>>>>>>>
>> contributing to this wonderful
>>
>>>>>>> forum.
>>>>>>> I want him out!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve Alm aka "Slim"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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