[Rhodes22-list] Political - Palin, Obama

TN Rhodey tnrhodey at gmail.com
Thu Nov 20 09:04:21 EST 2008 

Robert,

The election results are in plain view. I would think this is the last word!
(for now)

The right had the deck stacked 8 years ago and did little to move this
country forward. It has cost them (us!) dearly. Unless both sides work
together it will be just more of the same. If the right brings back Palin
for Pres in 2012 I would be amazed and amused! Is that the opposite of Shock
and Awe? :-)

We need to keep in mind that the Iraq Government is moving toward a time
table for withdrawal. Of course once we leave anything can happen. This is
true a year from now....or 10 years from now. Based on the history of the
area I don't think we will be able to control what happens after we leave.
The Kurds, Shias, and Sunnis have been at it for centuries. It really is up
to Iraq.

My real concern has always been Pakistan and India. We arm both coutries.
They both have nuke capabilties and they hate each other. I always felt this
area would be a source of World War involving nucleur arms.

Fair Winds,

Wally

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Robert Skinner
<Robert at squirrelhaven.com>wrote:

> OK, you got the last word - a lot of last words...
> You win.  I have no further desire to talk to you.
> Satisfied?
>
> /Robert
>
>
> Herb Parsons wrote:
> > Mandate? I wasn't talking about a mandate, I was talking about Palin not
> > fading off into the sunset.
> >
> > I'm not a big believer in the "mandate" stuff. A politician is elected.
> > It doesn't matter if he's elected by a 1% margin, or a 90% margin, he's
> > elected, and he needs to start fulfilling the promises and commitments
> > he made to those that elected him. If Obama can do that, I'll be
> > surprised. I don't think he can, nor do I think he will. That's why I'm
> > not particularly upset by the results.
> >
> > He made a lot of overt commitments that I don't think he will be able to
> > keep, and that's not even considering all the "implied" promises. He was
> > elected on a campaign of "let's take it away from the minority and give
> > it to the majority", and LOTS of people are expecting more than he will
> > be able to deliver. Don't pooh pooh those accounts of people reporting
> > about how happy they are that he's going to take care of their gas bill
> > and their mortgages.
> >
> > Then add to that the possible disaster that I see looming in
> > Iraq/Afghanistan. There's no doubt that the "implied promise" was that
> > he will get us out of Iraq, and begin fighting in Afghanistan and
> > deliver up Bin Laden.
> >
> > If he pulls out of Iraq fast enough to suit his left wing followers, it
> > will make Vietnam look like a policy masterpiece. We will literally be
> > pulling snatching victory away. If Iraq then falls into a mess like what
> > happened in Vietnam, shame shame shame (I had a typo there that I
> > corrected, but it still fits - same shame shame).
> >
> > Then, we go into Afghanistan, and have the same resounding "success"
> > enjoyed by the Russians. I don't believe we have the stomach as a nation
> > to fight a man to man ground war that is required in the mountains of
> > Afghanistan. If we won't let our military succeed in Iraq, we surely
> > will not in Afghanistan.
> >
> > And, do you REALLY think he's going to deliver up Bin Laden?
> >
> > I suspect we're going to be hearing a LOT of "We may not succeed in one
> > term..."
> >
> > I hope though, that people have a good memory. I know I did when I
> > didn't vote for "read my lips" President Bush '41.
> >
> > As I said, no mandate needed. He just needs to start doing what he
> > promised to do. I think the next two years are going to be interesting.
> >
> >
> > I hope that the voters
> >
> > Robert Skinner wrote:
> >> When it comes to mandates, he has done
> >> a lot better than his predecessor.
> >>
> >> There are undeniable advantages to verbal
> >> skills when communicating -- a talent
> >> conspicuous in its absence in Bush.
> >>
> >> As to Reagan, at least he could string a
> >> few words together without tripping on
> >> his tongue -- that was my point.  It
> >> served him well in negotiations.
> >>
> >> /Robert
> >> -----------------------------------------
> >> Herb Parsons wrote:
> >>
> >>> You DO understand the difference between an orator, and someone with
> >>> oratory skills. Surely you're not saying that after hearing Palin's
> >>> speech to the RNC that she had NO oratory skills?
> >>>
> >>> How does having (or not having) an oratory ability reflect a lack (or
> >>> existence) of anti-intellectual attitudes?
> >>>
> >>> Sorry Robert, your guy won the election, but he did not receive a
> >>> mandate for the rest of the world to blindly become like him and what
> he
> >>> represents.
> >>>
> >>> Again, you used Reagan as an example, but you seem to overlook what the
> >>> "deep thinkers" and intellectual community were saying about him back
> then.
> >>>
> >>> For all of Carter's deep thinking and oratory abilities, he let a group
> >>> of "students" hold us hostage for over a year. My personal result is
> our
> >>> actions during that disgraceful period were in a large part responsible
> >>> for 9-11.
> >>>
> >>> Take those radicals, who we were TOTALLY unsuccessful in dealing with,
> >>> and multiply them by 10 fold. THAT is what the orator and deep thinker
> >>> is going to deal with. That's OK though, because he's already made it
> >>> clear that he's willing to sit down with any of them and "talk".
> >>>
> >>> We'll see what the oratory and talk gets us.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Robert Skinner wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Herb, I think that a person who has some oratory
> >>>> skills will be a help in negotiations with the
> >>>> international community.  They do not have the
> >>>> anti-intellectual attitude that has been anything
> >>>> but an asset as we interact with the world's best
> >>>> brains.
> >>>>
> >>>> /Robert
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------
> >>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Brad,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Robtert (and others like him) are looking at Palin from the far left
> >>>>> view. They're somehow under the illusion that we WANT an "orator" or
> a
> >>>>> "deep thinker". It's funny the two he compared her (negatively) to.
> >>>>> Regan, who the Democrats lambasted much the same way they did her
> >>>>> (remember when he talked about Star Wars defense, and they started
> >>>>> derisively calling him Ray-Gun?), and President Jimmy Carter.
> Carter!!!
> >>>>> Yes, a great orator, a great guy in general, a good Christian man,
> and a
> >>>>> joke of a President. If that's what oratory ability and deep thinking
> >>>>> gets us, give me the common man (or woman) instead!!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Robert,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Well, it seems you've bought into the MSM meme and haven't done your
> >>>>>> own homework.  I suggest you do your own due diligence on Gov.
> Palin's
> >>>>>> very real accomplishments before you let other people do your
> thinking
> >>>>>> for you.  Unlike Obama's long string of failures in Chicago, Palin
> can
> >>>>>> point to real successes.  Frankly, I'm not impressed by a Harvard
> >>>>>> degree in law or anything else.  For the sake of the country, I wish
> >>>>>> for a successful Obama Presidency.  As for me and my family, "we're
> >>>>>> loaded for bear".  How anyone can believe that a leader with a
> >>>>>> mediocre track record following failed economic themes can be
> >>>>>> successful is beyond me.  No one will be more happily surprised if
> it
> >>>>>> all works out OK than myself.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Brad
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Robert Skinner
> >>>>>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Certainly, she is no "Great Communicator."
> >>>>>>> We will never see "Bedtime for Palin."
> >>>>>>> Nor, I suspect, will we hear about a
> >>>>>>> Carteresque "lusting in the heart."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sorry, Brad.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But is too early to expect that Bambizilla
> >>>>>>> will retire from the political scene.  I
> >>>>>>> suspect that the GOP spinsters will find
> >>>>>>> some way to use her, perhaps as a contrast,
> >>>>>>> a straw woman, to a real Republican orator
> >>>>>>> or deep thinker to spark up the 2012 campaign.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But for the next two years, I hope, we can
> >>>>>>> get working on the nation's business.  We can
> >>>>>>> hope that Obama can calm the fears and tame
> >>>>>>> the chaos of an economy headed for the
> >>>>>>> dumpster.  We will also see if he can
> >>>>>>> extricate us gracefully from Iraq and succeed
> >>>>>>> in bringing down the terrorist franchises.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hoping,
> >>>>>>> /Robert
> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Rummy;
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Very cute.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And now....before she fades into the sunset, some final words from
> Sarah
> >>>>>>>> Palin....
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "My concern has been the atrocities there in Darfur and the
> relevance to me
> >>>>>>>> with that issue as we spoke about Africa and some of the countries
> there
> >>>>>>>> that were kind of the people succumbing to the dictators and the
> corruption
> >>>>>>>> of some collapsed governments on the continent, the relevance was
> Alaska's
> >>>>>>>> investment in Darfur with some of our permanent fund dollars"
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And, she concluded, "never, ever did I talk about, well, gee, is
> it a
> >>>>>>>> country or a continent, I just don't know about this issue."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I know, I know... her heart is in the right place (and so are a
> few other
> >>>>>>>> parts).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ben C.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> R22RumRunner wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> No Hard Feelings...to the democrats
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The election day is  over,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The talking is done.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> My party lost, your  party won.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So let us be friends,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Let arguments  pass.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'll hug my elephant,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You kiss your  ass.
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