[Rhodes22-list] Political - Palin, Obama - apology
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Thu Nov 20 12:45:03 EST 2008
Apology accepted with one small note. If you were to go back and look
closer at my previous emails, I believe you'd see little change in what
I'm "doing of late". I respond to rational discussions rationally. I
respond to irrational ones in a way I feel appropriate.
Robert Skinner wrote:
> You are right, Hank. When I reviewed the exchange,
> it was clear that I misunderstood Hank's message.
> I went over the line, and owe Herb an apology.
>
> Herb, of late you have been easier to take, and
> your message was rational. I am in the wrong.
>
> /Robert
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Hank wrote:
>
>> Robert,
>>
>> I have to call foul on this one. Herb came back with a reasonable response
>> to your email, did not attack you, was calm and cool, and then you get huffy
>> and complain? You have just lost any credibility or right to bitch about
>> anyone else's posts.
>>
>> Hank
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Robert Skinner
>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com>wrote:
>>
>>
>>> OK, you got the last word - a lot of last words...
>>> You win. I have no further desire to talk to you.
>>> Satisfied?
>>>
>>> /Robert
>>>
>>>
>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mandate? I wasn't talking about a mandate, I was talking about Palin not
>>>> fading off into the sunset.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not a big believer in the "mandate" stuff. A politician is elected.
>>>> It doesn't matter if he's elected by a 1% margin, or a 90% margin, he's
>>>> elected, and he needs to start fulfilling the promises and commitments
>>>> he made to those that elected him. If Obama can do that, I'll be
>>>> surprised. I don't think he can, nor do I think he will. That's why I'm
>>>> not particularly upset by the results.
>>>>
>>>> He made a lot of overt commitments that I don't think he will be able to
>>>> keep, and that's not even considering all the "implied" promises. He was
>>>> elected on a campaign of "let's take it away from the minority and give
>>>> it to the majority", and LOTS of people are expecting more than he will
>>>> be able to deliver. Don't pooh pooh those accounts of people reporting
>>>> about how happy they are that he's going to take care of their gas bill
>>>> and their mortgages.
>>>>
>>>> Then add to that the possible disaster that I see looming in
>>>> Iraq/Afghanistan. There's no doubt that the "implied promise" was that
>>>> he will get us out of Iraq, and begin fighting in Afghanistan and
>>>> deliver up Bin Laden.
>>>>
>>>> If he pulls out of Iraq fast enough to suit his left wing followers, it
>>>> will make Vietnam look like a policy masterpiece. We will literally be
>>>> pulling snatching victory away. If Iraq then falls into a mess like what
>>>> happened in Vietnam, shame shame shame (I had a typo there that I
>>>> corrected, but it still fits - same shame shame).
>>>>
>>>> Then, we go into Afghanistan, and have the same resounding "success"
>>>> enjoyed by the Russians. I don't believe we have the stomach as a nation
>>>> to fight a man to man ground war that is required in the mountains of
>>>> Afghanistan. If we won't let our military succeed in Iraq, we surely
>>>> will not in Afghanistan.
>>>>
>>>> And, do you REALLY think he's going to deliver up Bin Laden?
>>>>
>>>> I suspect we're going to be hearing a LOT of "We may not succeed in one
>>>> term..."
>>>>
>>>> I hope though, that people have a good memory. I know I did when I
>>>> didn't vote for "read my lips" President Bush '41.
>>>>
>>>> As I said, no mandate needed. He just needs to start doing what he
>>>> promised to do. I think the next two years are going to be interesting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hope that the voters
>>>>
>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When it comes to mandates, he has done
>>>>> a lot better than his predecessor.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are undeniable advantages to verbal
>>>>> skills when communicating -- a talent
>>>>> conspicuous in its absence in Bush.
>>>>>
>>>>> As to Reagan, at least he could string a
>>>>> few words together without tripping on
>>>>> his tongue -- that was my point. It
>>>>> served him well in negotiations.
>>>>>
>>>>> /Robert
>>>>> -----------------------------------------
>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You DO understand the difference between an orator, and someone with
>>>>>> oratory skills. Surely you're not saying that after hearing Palin's
>>>>>> speech to the RNC that she had NO oratory skills?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How does having (or not having) an oratory ability reflect a lack (or
>>>>>> existence) of anti-intellectual attitudes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry Robert, your guy won the election, but he did not receive a
>>>>>> mandate for the rest of the world to blindly become like him and what
>>>>>>
>>> he
>>>
>>>>>> represents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, you used Reagan as an example, but you seem to overlook what the
>>>>>> "deep thinkers" and intellectual community were saying about him back
>>>>>>
>>> then.
>>>
>>>>>> For all of Carter's deep thinking and oratory abilities, he let a group
>>>>>> of "students" hold us hostage for over a year. My personal result is
>>>>>>
>>> our
>>>
>>>>>> actions during that disgraceful period were in a large part responsible
>>>>>> for 9-11.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take those radicals, who we were TOTALLY unsuccessful in dealing with,
>>>>>> and multiply them by 10 fold. THAT is what the orator and deep thinker
>>>>>> is going to deal with. That's OK though, because he's already made it
>>>>>> clear that he's willing to sit down with any of them and "talk".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We'll see what the oratory and talk gets us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Herb, I think that a person who has some oratory
>>>>>>> skills will be a help in negotiations with the
>>>>>>> international community. They do not have the
>>>>>>> anti-intellectual attitude that has been anything
>>>>>>> but an asset as we interact with the world's best
>>>>>>> brains.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Robtert (and others like him) are looking at Palin from the far left
>>>>>>>> view. They're somehow under the illusion that we WANT an "orator" or
>>>>>>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>>>>>> "deep thinker". It's funny the two he compared her (negatively) to.
>>>>>>>> Regan, who the Democrats lambasted much the same way they did her
>>>>>>>> (remember when he talked about Star Wars defense, and they started
>>>>>>>> derisively calling him Ray-Gun?), and President Jimmy Carter.
>>>>>>>>
>>> Carter!!!
>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, a great orator, a great guy in general, a good Christian man,
>>>>>>>>
>>> and a
>>>
>>>>>>>> joke of a President. If that's what oratory ability and deep thinking
>>>>>>>> gets us, give me the common man (or woman) instead!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, it seems you've bought into the MSM meme and haven't done your
>>>>>>>>> own homework. I suggest you do your own due diligence on Gov.
>>>>>>>>>
>>> Palin's
>>>
>>>>>>>>> very real accomplishments before you let other people do your
>>>>>>>>>
>>> thinking
>>>
>>>>>>>>> for you. Unlike Obama's long string of failures in Chicago, Palin
>>>>>>>>>
>>> can
>>>
>>>>>>>>> point to real successes. Frankly, I'm not impressed by a Harvard
>>>>>>>>> degree in law or anything else. For the sake of the country, I wish
>>>>>>>>> for a successful Obama Presidency. As for me and my family, "we're
>>>>>>>>> loaded for bear". How anyone can believe that a leader with a
>>>>>>>>> mediocre track record following failed economic themes can be
>>>>>>>>> successful is beyond me. No one will be more happily surprised if
>>>>>>>>>
>>> it
>>>
>>>>>>>>> all works out OK than myself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Robert Skinner
>>>>>>>>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Certainly, she is no "Great Communicator."
>>>>>>>>>> We will never see "Bedtime for Palin."
>>>>>>>>>> Nor, I suspect, will we hear about a
>>>>>>>>>> Carteresque "lusting in the heart."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, Brad.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But is too early to expect that Bambizilla
>>>>>>>>>> will retire from the political scene. I
>>>>>>>>>> suspect that the GOP spinsters will find
>>>>>>>>>> some way to use her, perhaps as a contrast,
>>>>>>>>>> a straw woman, to a real Republican orator
>>>>>>>>>> or deep thinker to spark up the 2012 campaign.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But for the next two years, I hope, we can
>>>>>>>>>> get working on the nation's business. We can
>>>>>>>>>> hope that Obama can calm the fears and tame
>>>>>>>>>> the chaos of an economy headed for the
>>>>>>>>>> dumpster. We will also see if he can
>>>>>>>>>> extricate us gracefully from Iraq and succeed
>>>>>>>>>> in bringing down the terrorist franchises.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hoping,
>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rummy;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Very cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And now....before she fades into the sunset, some final words from
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Sarah
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Palin....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "My concern has been the atrocities there in Darfur and the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> relevance to me
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> with that issue as we spoke about Africa and some of the countries
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> there
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that were kind of the people succumbing to the dictators and the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> corruption
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> of some collapsed governments on the continent, the relevance was
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Alaska's
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> investment in Darfur with some of our permanent fund dollars"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And, she concluded, "never, ever did I talk about, well, gee, is
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> it a
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> country or a continent, I just don't know about this issue."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I know, I know... her heart is in the right place (and so are a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> few other
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> parts).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No Hard Feelings...to the democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The election day is over,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The talking is done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My party lost, your party won.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So let us be friends,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let arguments pass.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll hug my elephant,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You kiss your ass.
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