[Rhodes22-list] Herb's Response

Thu Nov 20 15:48:49 EST 2008

Herb,

Actually, I guess I must have been back on here longer than I thought
because I do remember most of that.  Some of what you said below is why I
made the suggestion.  Why not use your natural ability to out-think and
out-debate the supposed "thinkers and debaters"?  As I said, I don't see
any downside.

Paul

> Much like the political mood of the country, my moods swing different
> ways. While you have been reading the posts the last two months, you
> missed those before that. Those where, attempts at rational discussion
> were met with "religious kook" and "racist" and, one of my all time
> favorites "democrats are the thinkers and debaters, republicans are the
> just believers". Attempts at rational discussion were one-sided. I would
> ask what made one a religious kook, and was just met with additional
> abuse. I would ask how my view made me racist, and simply be met with
> more abuse. Eventually, I decided to agree with Elle's (as of that time
> unvoiced opinion) that sometimes the "c" works.
>
> But, I'll play nicely. I'll always play at least as nice, and may even
> go the extra step for a while.
>
>
> pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net wrote:
>> Herb,
>>
>> I understand and I agree with you.  I did not mean to suggest that you
>> were being irrational.  But you got the point because you said:
>>
>> "It may be 'stooping to the same level', it may be unnecessary, it may
>> (and
>> probably does) escalate things, but it's not irrational. Countering a
>> personal attack with another one is not only rational, it can often be
>> instructional. And, it's a very good release mechanism."
>>
>> Therefore, what I meant to suggest is that as smart a person as you
>> obviously are, I believe you could find a way to instructionally counter
>> what you perceive to be a personal attack without stooping to the same
>> level or escalating things while still satisfying your release
>> mechanism.
>> I've read all of your posts over the last two months.  I know you have
>> the
>> intellect and the capability.  The only question is whether you have the
>> desire.  Why not give it a try?  I don't see any downside.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>> Actually, I worded that deliberately. If someone chooses to take a
>>> person's view, and attack them personally for their view, that attack
>>> may or may not be "rational". Here's examples:
>>>
>>> John Doe says "Historically, more white collar crimes are committed by
>>> white people". Responding to that by saying "John, you're a racist"
>>> would be irrational. The view does not fit the comment, because John is
>>> merely repeating a fact.
>>>
>>> However, if John Doe says "I hate all those white people", it would NOT
>>> be irrational to say "John, you're a racist", since his his view is a
>>> racist view.
>>>
>>> At the same time, a personal "counter attack" is NOT irrational. It may
>>> be "stooping to the same level", it may be unnecessary, it may (and
>>> probably does) escalate things, but it's not irrational. Countering a
>>> personal attack with another one is not only rational, it can often be
>>> instructional. And, it's a very good release mechanism.
>>>
>>> I would say that those that are offended by such things would be well
>>> served not to BEGIN them. I will also so, you are the exception to the
>>> rule on here, and frankly, one of the few I've seen that really has a
>>> reason to complain.
>>>
>>>
>>> pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> Herb,
>>>>
>>>> If you are a rational person (and I think you are), why wouldn't you
>>>> always repond rationally regardless of what the other person does or
>>>> says?
>>>>  Are you saying in a way that you are more than willing to stoop to
>>>> someone else's level?  If so, I think you are demeaning yourself.
>>>> Perhaps
>>>> that's why some of these things sometimes spin out of control.  Stay
>>>> above
>>>> the fray.  You're better than that.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Apology accepted with one small note. If you were to go back and look
>>>>> closer at my previous emails, I believe you'd see little change in
>>>>> what
>>>>> I'm "doing of late". I respond to rational discussions rationally. I
>>>>> respond to irrational ones in a way I feel appropriate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You are right, Hank.  When I reviewed the exchange,
>>>>>> it was clear that I misunderstood Hank's message.
>>>>>> I went over the line, and owe Herb an apology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb, of late you have been easier to take, and
>>>>>> your message was rational.  I am in the wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Hank wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have to call foul on this one.  Herb came back with a reasonable
>>>>>>> response
>>>>>>> to your email, did not attack you, was calm and cool, and then you
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> huffy
>>>>>>> and complain?  You have just lost any credibility or right to bitch
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> anyone else's posts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Robert Skinner
>>>>>>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK, you got the last word - a lot of last words...
>>>>>>>> You win.  I have no further desire to talk to you.
>>>>>>>> Satisfied?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mandate? I wasn't talking about a mandate, I was talking about
>>>>>>>>> Palin
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> fading off into the sunset.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not a big believer in the "mandate" stuff. A politician is
>>>>>>>>> elected.
>>>>>>>>> It doesn't matter if he's elected by a 1% margin, or a 90%
>>>>>>>>> margin,
>>>>>>>>> he's
>>>>>>>>> elected, and he needs to start fulfilling the promises and
>>>>>>>>> commitments
>>>>>>>>> he made to those that elected him. If Obama can do that, I'll be
>>>>>>>>> surprised. I don't think he can, nor do I think he will. That's
>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>> not particularly upset by the results.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He made a lot of overt commitments that I don't think he will be
>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> keep, and that's not even considering all the "implied" promises.
>>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> elected on a campaign of "let's take it away from the minority
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>> it to the majority", and LOTS of people are expecting more than
>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> be able to deliver. Don't pooh pooh those accounts of people
>>>>>>>>> reporting
>>>>>>>>> about how happy they are that he's going to take care of their
>>>>>>>>> gas
>>>>>>>>> bill
>>>>>>>>> and their mortgages.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then add to that the possible disaster that I see looming in
>>>>>>>>> Iraq/Afghanistan. There's no doubt that the "implied promise" was
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> he will get us out of Iraq, and begin fighting in Afghanistan and
>>>>>>>>> deliver up Bin Laden.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If he pulls out of Iraq fast enough to suit his left wing
>>>>>>>>> followers,
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> will make Vietnam look like a policy masterpiece. We will
>>>>>>>>> literally
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> pulling snatching victory away. If Iraq then falls into a mess
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>> happened in Vietnam, shame shame shame (I had a typo there that I
>>>>>>>>> corrected, but it still fits - same shame shame).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then, we go into Afghanistan, and have the same resounding
>>>>>>>>> "success"
>>>>>>>>> enjoyed by the Russians. I don't believe we have the stomach as a
>>>>>>>>> nation
>>>>>>>>> to fight a man to man ground war that is required in the
>>>>>>>>> mountains
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> Afghanistan. If we won't let our military succeed in Iraq, we
>>>>>>>>> surely
>>>>>>>>> will not in Afghanistan.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And, do you REALLY think he's going to deliver up Bin Laden?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I suspect we're going to be hearing a LOT of "We may not succeed
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> term..."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I hope though, that people have a good memory. I know I did when
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> didn't vote for "read my lips" President Bush '41.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As I said, no mandate needed. He just needs to start doing what
>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>> promised to do. I think the next two years are going to be
>>>>>>>>> interesting.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I hope that the voters
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When it comes to mandates, he has done
>>>>>>>>>> a lot better than his predecessor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are undeniable advantages to verbal
>>>>>>>>>> skills when communicating -- a talent
>>>>>>>>>> conspicuous in its absence in Bush.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As to Reagan, at least he could string a
>>>>>>>>>> few words together without tripping on
>>>>>>>>>> his tongue -- that was my point.  It
>>>>>>>>>> served him well in negotiations.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You DO understand the difference between an orator, and someone
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> oratory skills. Surely you're not saying that after hearing
>>>>>>>>>>> Palin's
>>>>>>>>>>> speech to the RNC that she had NO oratory skills?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How does having (or not having) an oratory ability reflect a
>>>>>>>>>>> lack
>>>>>>>>>>> (or
>>>>>>>>>>> existence) of anti-intellectual attitudes?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Robert, your guy won the election, but he did not receive
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> mandate for the rest of the world to blindly become like him
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> represents.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Again, you used Reagan as an example, but you seem to overlook
>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> "deep thinkers" and intellectual community were saying about
>>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For all of Carter's deep thinking and oratory abilities, he let
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> group
>>>>>>>>>>> of "students" hold us hostage for over a year. My personal
>>>>>>>>>>> result
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> actions during that disgraceful period were in a large part
>>>>>>>>>>> responsible
>>>>>>>>>>> for 9-11.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Take those radicals, who we were TOTALLY unsuccessful in
>>>>>>>>>>> dealing
>>>>>>>>>>> with,
>>>>>>>>>>> and multiply them by 10 fold. THAT is what the orator and deep
>>>>>>>>>>> thinker
>>>>>>>>>>> is going to deal with. That's OK though, because he's already
>>>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> clear that he's willing to sit down with any of them and
>>>>>>>>>>> "talk".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We'll see what the oratory and talk gets us.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, I think that a person who has some oratory
>>>>>>>>>>>> skills will be a help in negotiations with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> international community.  They do not have the
>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-intellectual attitude that has been anything
>>>>>>>>>>>> but an asset as we interact with the world's best
>>>>>>>>>>>> brains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robtert (and others like him) are looking at Palin from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> far
>>>>>>>>>>>>> left
>>>>>>>>>>>>> view. They're somehow under the illusion that we WANT an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "orator"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "deep thinker". It's funny the two he compared her
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (negatively)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regan, who the Democrats lambasted much the same way they did
>>>>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (remember when he talked about Star Wars defense, and they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> started
>>>>>>>>>>>>> derisively calling him Ray-Gun?), and President Jimmy Carter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Carter!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, a great orator, a great guy in general, a good Christian
>>>>>>>>>>>>> man,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> joke of a President. If that's what oratory ability and deep
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets us, give me the common man (or woman) instead!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, it seems you've bought into the MSM meme and haven't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own homework.  I suggest you do your own due diligence on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gov.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Palin's
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very real accomplishments before you let other people do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for you.  Unlike Obama's long string of failures in Chicago,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to real successes.  Frankly, I'm not impressed by a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harvard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> degree in law or anything else.  For the sake of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a successful Obama Presidency.  As for me and my family,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "we're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loaded for bear".  How anyone can believe that a leader with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mediocre track record following failed economic themes can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> successful is beyond me.  No one will be more happily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprised
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all works out OK than myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Robert Skinner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly, she is no "Great Communicator."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We will never see "Bedtime for Palin."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nor, I suspect, will we hear about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carteresque "lusting in the heart."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, Brad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But is too early to expect that Bambizilla
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will retire from the political scene.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect that the GOP spinsters will find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some way to use her, perhaps as a contrast,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a straw woman, to a real Republican orator
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or deep thinker to spark up the 2012 campaign.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But for the next two years, I hope, we can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get working on the nation's business.  We can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope that Obama can calm the fears and tame
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the chaos of an economy headed for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumpster.  We will also see if he can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extricate us gracefully from Iraq and succeed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in bringing down the terrorist franchises.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hoping,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rummy;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And now....before she fades into the sunset, some final
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sarah
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "My concern has been the atrocities there in Darfur and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> relevance to me
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with that issue as we spoke about Africa and some of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countries
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that were kind of the people succumbing to the dictators
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> corruption
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of some collapsed governments on the continent, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relevance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alaska's
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment in Darfur with some of our permanent fund
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollars"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, she concluded, "never, ever did I talk about, well,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gee,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country or a continent, I just don't know about this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know, I know... her heart is in the right place (and so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> few other
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parts).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No Hard Feelings...to the democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The election day is  over,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The talking is done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My party lost, your  party won.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So let us be friends,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let arguments  pass.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll hug my elephant,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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