[Rhodes22-list] Political....this is interesting.

Brad Haslett flybrad at gmail.com
Thu Nov 20 22:12:08 EST 2008 

Ben,

You may very well be correct, I've always considered this a basically
dead issue or the Clinton's would have pursued it more vigorously.
That said, Obama has acted very aloof and arrogant about the basic
right of asking if he's legal to hold the highest office in the land.
The question at hand is quite simple and one any citizen has the right
to ask, "are you constitutionally legal to hold the office of POTUS"?
He could have and should have ended this himself months ago.  Dr.
Keyes certainly has the legal standing to raise the issue and the
court (should it choose to do so) certainly has the authority to ask
for an explanation. While I respect your learned legal opinion, I
spent much of today discussing an accident that happened almost two
years ago involving our dump truck with attorneys, and am all too
aware that not every party on every side can be correct, and
somebody's attorney is full of it (I hoping it is the other guy's).

Ed,

I thought the Trig Palin issue was silly on the surface but some MSM
publications actually wasted ink on the issue.  To my knowledge, no
one filed a lawsuit seeking the "truth", but had they done so, I'd
say, "let if flow through the legal system and we'll see where it
goes".  Ditto Obama.

To be honest with both of you, I'm not much in the mood to be
discussing legal issues today!

Brad

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Benjamin Cittadino
<bigben65 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Hank;
>
> Once a matter has been concluded in a lower court anybody can APPLY for a
> writ to the Supremes. The key here is to read the docket entries. The Court
> did not accept the case, and the election commission doesn't even have to
> respond to the application. Trust me,(and I know you have no reason to) the
> matter is DEAD. (at least as far as the US Supremes and that case are
> concerned.)
>
> Brad may be right, the "truth"may be "out there" (see,"The X Files"), but as
> far as the courts are concerned the matter is not worth the effort. No case.
> no controversey, no there...there.
>
> Sorry.
>
> Ben C.
>
>
>
>> Ben,
>>
>> How is it just not important when it is now on the docket of the US.
>> Supreme
>> Court. If it is relevant to them, then it is certainly relevant to us.
>>
>> http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm
>>
>> Hank
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Ben Cittadino
>> <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Paul;
>>>
>>> The point of my post (other than to get a rise out of Brad,...."Mission
>>> Accomplished") was to suggest that there are always a relatively small
>>> number  of people who will fight anything, no matter how obvious it is
>>> that
>>> they are wasting their time. (I believe the "Flat Earth Society" still
>>> exists). The Obama citizenship issue hasn't gotten to "this point" or
>>> "this
>>> level" with anybody who (forgive me) "matters". America is getting ready
>>> to
>>> celebrate this electoral result.  Alan Keyes is no longer a serious
>>> person
>>> (my opinion) and his traveling side show only succeeds in certain, shall
>>> we
>>> say, backwaters, of American culture. I don't know exactly when the
>>> elevator
>>> stopped going all the way to the top floor with that guy, but he has
>>> definitely undergone some major cerebral malfunction (again my opinion).
>>> Other lawsuits making the same claims have already been tossed.
>>>
>>> Look, people who want to get all worked up over this issue have my
>>> blessing.
>>> It's a free country.  But as we stand on the threshold of a new
>>> administration which will have to deal immediately with only about 496
>>> crucial, life and death, FUTURE OF AMERICA issues, the question of Mr.
>>> Obama's citizenship is just not important.
>>>
>>> Ben S. please don't send any "offensive" jokes by way of the list, but a
>>> back-channel communication is just fine. You have my email address.
>>>
>>> Best;
>>>
>>> Ben C.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> pdgrand wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Ben,
>>> >
>>> > I understand where you're going with that, but the underlying question
>>> is
>>> > why has it even gotten to this point?  Everyone seems to agree that
>>> > proving your citizenship is a very simple and easy thing to do if you
>>> are
>>> > indeed a citizen.  So, why hasn't he done it?  Why let something like
>>> this
>>> > spin to this level?  It just doesn't make any sense.
>>> >
>>> > Paul
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Bill;
>>> >>
>>> >> I suppose it's possible that a space ship landed in the American
>>> >> southwest
>>> >> in "Area 51" in the 1950's but it's so unlikely that nobody cares,
>>> except
>>> >> a
>>> >> few UFO enthusiasts who entertain themselves and their friends with
>>> wild
>>> >> and
>>> >> silly conspiracy theories;
>>> >>
>>> >> I suppose it's possible that Elvis Presley is alive and working as a
>>> gas
>>> >> station attendant having escaped his pressure cooker life as a
>>> celebrity
>>> >> but
>>> >> it's so unlikely that nobody cares, except a few Presley enthusiasts
>>> who
>>> >> entertain themselves and their friends with wild and silly conspiracy
>>> >> theories;
>>> >>
>>> >> I suppose it's possible that Barack Obama is covering up the fact that
>>> he
>>> >> is
>>> >> not a natural born American citizen but it's so unlikely that nobody
>>> >> cares,
>>> >> except.....(well, you get the idea).
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm "Jones'n" for a good Sarah Palin joke. Are they all gone?
>>> >>
>>> >> Best,
>>> >>
>>> >> Ben C.
>>> >>
>>> >> Bill Effros wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Herb,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If Obama were born in Hawaii it would appear he had 3 citizenships,
>>> US
>>> >>> by virtue of his place of birth; English because his father had
>>> >>> commonwealth status; and Indonesian by virtue of his attendance at
>>> >>> Indonesian schools at which his citizenship was stated as Indonesian.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Indonesia required citizens of other countries to give up all other
>>> >>> citizenships before they could enjoy the benefits of Indonesian
>>> >>> citizenship -- like passports and schooling.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Obama could have reclaimed his American Citizenship, as many on this
>>> >>> list have reported they have done, but it does not appear he has done
>>> >>> so.  This step, and officially changing his name back to "Barack
>>> Hussein
>>> >>> Obama" would seem to be the minimum requirements for running and
>>> serving
>>> >>> as "President Barack Hussein Obama".
>>> >>>
>>> >>> There would remain the question of "natural born citizen", but
>>> >>> reclaiming name and citizenship would seem to be necessary first.
>>>  There
>>> >>> is no indication he has done either.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> When Republicans indicated an interest in running citizen Arnold
>>> >>> Schwarznegger for President Democrats let them know in no uncertain
>>> >>> terms that only "natural born citizens" need apply for the job of
>>> >>> President.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The current situation is commonly referred to as "repayment in kind."
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Bill Effros
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>> >>>> Believe it or not, I have a problem with Dr. Keye's lawsuit in
>>> >>>> particular, and the whole "not a citizen" issue in general.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> First of all, IF Barak was not a citizen when he was born, that puts
>>> >>>> everything in a different light (and I think that's a possibility,
>>> I'm
>>> >>>> not convinced one way or another at this point).
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> However, if he was born a US citizen, I think the notion that his
>>> >>>> parents may have taken that away by their later actions is wrong. If
>>> >>>> it's technically correct, I still think it's wrong. No one should be
>>> >>>> able to take away a US citizen's birthright, unless THAT citizen has
>>> >>>> done something to lose it.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Rummy,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Don't forget the Alan Keyes lawsuit filed November 12 in California
>>> >>>>> where Dr. Keyes was on the ballot.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> http://www.soundinvestments.us/files/final_writ_keyes_v_bowen.pdf
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> What's interesting about the Keyes lawsuit is the question it
>>> raises
>>> >>>>> about the trip to Pakistan (illegal for US citizens at the time).
>>>  Did
>>> >>>>> O just break the law or was he traveling on a foreign passport?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Brad
>>> >>>>>
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