[Rhodes22-list] Political....this is interesting.

Tom Hogarty tjhogarty at gmail.com
Fri Nov 21 18:02:22 EST 2008


So the court case about Obama's legal status died on the docket.  Here's what
happened to the case against Cheney.  
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E00EEDC1E3CF93BA35751C1A9669C8B63  
Cheney wouldn't qualify for a Wyoming fishing license, but was legal enough
for VP.
Tom Hogarty



Benjamin Cittadino wrote:
> 
> Hank;
> 
> Once a matter has been concluded in a lower court anybody can APPLY for a
> writ to the Supremes. The key here is to read the docket entries. The
> Court did not accept the case, and the election commission doesn't even
> have to respond to the application. Trust me,(and I know you have no
> reason to) the matter is DEAD. (at least as far as the US Supremes and
> that case are concerned.)
> 
> Brad may be right, the "truth"may be "out there" (see,"The X Files"), but
> as far as the courts are concerned the matter is not worth the effort. No
> case. no controversey, no there...there.
> 
> Sorry.
> 
> Ben C.
> 
> 
> 
>> Ben,
>> 
>> How is it just not important when it is now on the docket of the US.
>> Supreme
>> Court. If it is relevant to them, then it is certainly relevant to us.
>> 
>> http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm
>> 
>> Hank
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Ben Cittadino
>> <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>wrote:
>> 
>>>
>>> Paul;
>>>
>>> The point of my post (other than to get a rise out of Brad,...."Mission
>>> Accomplished") was to suggest that there are always a relatively small
>>> number  of people who will fight anything, no matter how obvious it is
>>> that
>>> they are wasting their time. (I believe the "Flat Earth Society" still
>>> exists). The Obama citizenship issue hasn't gotten to "this point" or
>>> "this
>>> level" with anybody who (forgive me) "matters". America is getting ready
>>> to
>>> celebrate this electoral result.  Alan Keyes is no longer a serious
>>> person
>>> (my opinion) and his traveling side show only succeeds in certain, shall
>>> we
>>> say, backwaters, of American culture. I don't know exactly when the
>>> elevator
>>> stopped going all the way to the top floor with that guy, but he has
>>> definitely undergone some major cerebral malfunction (again my opinion).
>>> Other lawsuits making the same claims have already been tossed.
>>>
>>> Look, people who want to get all worked up over this issue have my
>>> blessing.
>>> It's a free country.  But as we stand on the threshold of a new
>>> administration which will have to deal immediately with only about 496
>>> crucial, life and death, FUTURE OF AMERICA issues, the question of Mr.
>>> Obama's citizenship is just not important.
>>>
>>> Ben S. please don't send any "offensive" jokes by way of the list, but a
>>> back-channel communication is just fine. You have my email address.
>>>
>>> Best;
>>>
>>> Ben C.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> pdgrand wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Ben,
>>> >
>>> > I understand where you're going with that, but the underlying question
>>> is
>>> > why has it even gotten to this point?  Everyone seems to agree that
>>> > proving your citizenship is a very simple and easy thing to do if you
>>> are
>>> > indeed a citizen.  So, why hasn't he done it?  Why let something like
>>> this
>>> > spin to this level?  It just doesn't make any sense.
>>> >
>>> > Paul
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Bill;
>>> >>
>>> >> I suppose it's possible that a space ship landed in the American
>>> >> southwest
>>> >> in "Area 51" in the 1950's but it's so unlikely that nobody cares,
>>> except
>>> >> a
>>> >> few UFO enthusiasts who entertain themselves and their friends with
>>> wild
>>> >> and
>>> >> silly conspiracy theories;
>>> >>
>>> >> I suppose it's possible that Elvis Presley is alive and working as a
>>> gas
>>> >> station attendant having escaped his pressure cooker life as a
>>> celebrity
>>> >> but
>>> >> it's so unlikely that nobody cares, except a few Presley enthusiasts
>>> who
>>> >> entertain themselves and their friends with wild and silly conspiracy
>>> >> theories;
>>> >>
>>> >> I suppose it's possible that Barack Obama is covering up the fact
>>> that
>>> he
>>> >> is
>>> >> not a natural born American citizen but it's so unlikely that nobody
>>> >> cares,
>>> >> except.....(well, you get the idea).
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm "Jones'n" for a good Sarah Palin joke. Are they all gone?
>>> >>
>>> >> Best,
>>> >>
>>> >> Ben C.
>>> >>
>>> >> Bill Effros wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Herb,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If Obama were born in Hawaii it would appear he had 3 citizenships,
>>> US
>>> >>> by virtue of his place of birth; English because his father had
>>> >>> commonwealth status; and Indonesian by virtue of his attendance at
>>> >>> Indonesian schools at which his citizenship was stated as
>>> Indonesian.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Indonesia required citizens of other countries to give up all other
>>> >>> citizenships before they could enjoy the benefits of Indonesian
>>> >>> citizenship -- like passports and schooling.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Obama could have reclaimed his American Citizenship, as many on this
>>> >>> list have reported they have done, but it does not appear he has
>>> done
>>> >>> so.  This step, and officially changing his name back to "Barack
>>> Hussein
>>> >>> Obama" would seem to be the minimum requirements for running and
>>> serving
>>> >>> as "President Barack Hussein Obama".
>>> >>>
>>> >>> There would remain the question of "natural born citizen", but
>>> >>> reclaiming name and citizenship would seem to be necessary first.
>>>  There
>>> >>> is no indication he has done either.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> When Republicans indicated an interest in running citizen Arnold
>>> >>> Schwarznegger for President Democrats let them know in no uncertain
>>> >>> terms that only "natural born citizens" need apply for the job of
>>> >>> President.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The current situation is commonly referred to as "repayment in
>>> kind."
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Bill Effros
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>> >>>> Believe it or not, I have a problem with Dr. Keye's lawsuit in
>>> >>>> particular, and the whole "not a citizen" issue in general.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> First of all, IF Barak was not a citizen when he was born, that
>>> puts
>>> >>>> everything in a different light (and I think that's a possibility,
>>> I'm
>>> >>>> not convinced one way or another at this point).
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> However, if he was born a US citizen, I think the notion that his
>>> >>>> parents may have taken that away by their later actions is wrong.
>>> If
>>> >>>> it's technically correct, I still think it's wrong. No one should
>>> be
>>> >>>> able to take away a US citizen's birthright, unless THAT citizen
>>> has
>>> >>>> done something to lose it.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Rummy,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Don't forget the Alan Keyes lawsuit filed November 12 in
>>> California
>>> >>>>> where Dr. Keyes was on the ballot.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> http://www.soundinvestments.us/files/final_writ_keyes_v_bowen.pdf
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> What's interesting about the Keyes lawsuit is the question it
>>> raises
>>> >>>>> about the trip to Pakistan (illegal for US citizens at the time).
>>>  Did
>>> >>>>> O just break the law or was he traveling on a foreign passport?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Brad
>>> >>>>>
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>>> >>>>>
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