[Rhodes22-list] Oh My God!

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Brad,
Funny thing about education, you only get one shot at it.
 
 Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 11/23/2008 8:42:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
flybrad at gmail.com writes:

Herb,

Speaking from my own experience, there are good public  schools and bad
ones.  I was fortunate to go to a good one, well  funded (thank you
Chicago for sending your tax dollars down state), with  lot's of
parental involvement (I've already told the story here about my  dad
making asses out of the school board in public).  When my oldest  was
ready to start school in Little Rock it was a no brainer.  He went  to
private schools from K-12. My second went to both.  Cora is now  in
public school and we couldn't be happier, so far. My bitch with  the
public school system all along is why is the Federal  'gubment'
involved for any reason?

Obama has mouthed lot's of  answers about education and spent lot's of
other folks money on  experiments, but isn't willing to put at risk his
own daughters (article  attached).  I admire he and Michelle for using
their resources to  their children's best advantage.  He obviously
feels the same way I do  about education.

Brad

-------------------

The Obamas Walk  Away from Public Schools

Posted By Andrew J. Coulson On November 21,  2008 @ 9:06 pm In
Education and Child Policy | Comments Disabled

A  few months ago, Barack Obama told a gathering of the American
Federation of  Teachers that he opposes private school choice programs,
adding: "We need  to focus on fixing and improving our public schools;
[1] not throwing our  hands up and walking away from them."

It's not clear whether or not the  president-elect will be able to fix
our public schools, and I don't know if  he's thrown up his hands, but
he and his two daughters have just walked  away from the public
schools. Again. When they move from Chicago to D.C.,  Malia and Sasha
Obama will be moving from the prestigious private Lab  School [2] to
the prestigious private Sidwell Friends school — Chelsea  Clinton's old
stomping ground.

Not that there's anything wrong with  that. In fact, it's wonderful
that the Obamas had such a broad range of  public and private school
choices available to them. What's puzzling is  that the president-elect
opposes programs that would bring that same easy  choice of schools
within reach of families who lack his personal wealth. By  his actions,
Senator Obama is demonstrating that he is not willing to wait  for his
own policy prescriptions to "fix and improve" public schools, but  he
expects folks with less ample bank accounts to patiently await  his
hoped-for change.

And while many reports will no doubt trumpet  the $25,000+ tuition at
Sidwell Friends, implying that this is  extravagantly beyond what is
spent in D.C. public schools, they will be  mistaken. As I wrote in the
[3] Washington Post and [4] on this blog, D.C.  public schools also
spent about $25,000 per child in the 2007-08 school  year.

It's not that president-elect Obama is against spending a lot of  money
on other people's kids — he's just against letting their  parents
choose where that money is spent.

Article printed from Cato  @ Liberty: http://www.cato-at-liberty.org



On Sun, Nov 23, 2008  at 6:46 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>  Interesting. Please do note, MY position is that both the educational
>  community (primarily the administrative, but the teachers themselves  are
> also part of the problem), and the parents share fault in the  current
> situation. Is it really your position that the educational  community
> shares no blame in this mess?
>
> elle  wrote:
>> Herb,
>>
>> Yep, we are on opposite sides  this time...'seeing' the school system from 
whatever angles and being in the  employ for two doesn't hold a candle to 
every day for 33 years, in three  different levels (elementary, jr high (I 
high-tailed it out of there to the  high school when they went to the 
middle-school-hormone-hell model) & high  school.
>>
>> Ya gotta have the shoes on in order to walk  that mile...
>>
>> elle
>>
>>
>>  We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our  sails.
>>
>> 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06   "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)
>>
>>
>> ---  On Sun, 11/23/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> From: Herb Parsons  <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oh  My God!
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Date: Sunday, November 23,  2008, 6:31 PM
>>> Well elle, we're going to have to disagree on  this one.
>>> I pay school
>>> taxes, thus I DO have a  "dog in this hunt". I
>>> also had 4 children in
>>>  various public and private schools over the years, and I
>>> did  in fact
>>> spend two years in the employ of a local school  district.
>>> I've seen the
>>> system from just about  every angle possible.
>>>
>>>
>>> elle  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry, Herb. You know not of which  you speak. In fact,
>>>>
>>> you acknowledge it at  the beginning when you
>>> said,"Actually, I think  ..."
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You may  analyze,think, suppose and assume, burt  unless
>>>>
>>> you spent the years from 1969-2002  in an elementary, junior
>>> high and high school classroom, with  upwards of 120 vastly
>>> differing 'entitled' students of all  colors,
>>> backgrounds, attitudes, and watched the society change  from
>>> the kid needing correction (being able to paddle (which  was
>>> allowed) to the teacher needs correction  ("you
>>> embarrassed my child when he had no homework....")  you
>>> really have no dog in this  hunt.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  elle
>>>>
>>>> BYW....FYI   I'm at -6  on the "Life
>>>>
>>> Sucks-O-Meter" so be  forwarned and forarmed...;^)
>>>
>>>> We can't  change the angle of the wind....but we
>>>>
>>> can  adjust our sails.
>>>
>>>> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"
>>>>
>>> (Lady in  Red)
>>>
>>>> --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Herb  Parsons
>>>>
>>> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Herb Parsons  <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>> Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list] Oh My God!
>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email  List"
>>>>
>>>  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>
>>>> Date:  Saturday, November 22, 2008, 11:42 PM
>>>>
>>>>  Actually, I think it's a combination of  multiple
>>>>
>>> issues. Let's face  it,
>>>
>>>> if the educational lobby concentrated  as hard on
>>>>
>>> issues like the one  you
>>>
>>>> just mentioned as they do on  increasing funding,
>>>>
>>> increasing the size  of
>>>
>>>> their bureaucracy, protecting  incompetent
>>>>
>>> "educators", etc.,  those
>>>
>>>> laws
>>>> likely  would never have been passed.
>>>>
>>>> At the  same time, if we as parents, were more  involved
>>>>
>>> in  the
>>>
>>>> educational process of our children,  most of us would
>>>>
>>> be surprised  at
>>>
>>>> exactly what we can do. However, in the  relative
>>>>
>>> vaccumn of  parental
>>>
>>>> involvement, the bureaucracies  have thrived like a
>>>>
>>> fungus, and  we've
>>>
>>>> ended up where we are  now.
>>>>
>>>> As Brad alluded to, that's one of  the reasons we
>>>>
>>> see people making  the
>>>
>>>> sacrifices they make to keep their  kids in private
>>>>
>>> schools where  there
>>>
>>>> the bureaucratic mess is mitigated.  And I'm not
>>>>
>>> talking about  the
>>>
>>>> wealthy, who put their kids in private  school without
>>>>
>>> thought or  effort.
>>>
>>>> I'm talking about the working  class Joe that makes
>>>>
>>> real  sacrifices
>>>
>>>> because they've been scared off  by the mess that
>>>>
>>> public school has  become.
>>>
>>>> elle  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Read  the papers, Herb.
>>>>>
>>>>> Educators  haven't 'turned over'
>>>>>
>>> discipline; it  has been  ripped
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>  out of their control by laws and regulations  and
>>>>
>>>  lawsuits.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  Don't tax yourself by making this too  hard;
>>>>>
>>> just concentrate  on
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>  looking up the laws regulating the disciplining  of
>>>>
>>> special ed  students.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  You might want to add in the students on  probation
>>>>>
>>> who are sent back  to
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>  school by naive  judges.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> That's  a fun mix to have in the classroom: a
>>>>>
>>>  kid who knows  you
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>  can't do anything to him & a kid who
>>>>
>>>  doesn't care what is done to
>>>
>>>>  him.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Oh..add a  few who don't speak  English.....
>>>>>
>>>>> Great atmosphere  for readin' &
>>>>>
>>>  writin'.
>>>
>>>>>  elle
>>>>>
>>>>> We can't change the angle  of the wind....but
>>>>>
>>> we can adjust our  sails.
>>>
>>>>> 1992 Rhodes 22    Recyc '06
>>>>>
>>> "WaterMusic"    (Lady in Red)
>>>
>>>>> --- On Sat, 11/22/08,  Herb Parsons
>>>>>
>>>  <hparsons at parsonsys.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  From: Herb Parsons
>>>>>>
>>>  <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>
>>>>>>  Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oh My God!
>>>>>> To: "The  Rhodes 22 Email  List"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>  Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 9:42 PM
>>>>>> Isn't  it amazing how much educators have
>>>>>>
>>>  turned over
>>>
>>>>>> discipline  to
>>>>>> "professionals" so they  can
>>>>>>
>>> "concentrate  on
>>>
>>>>>> educating"; yet the  overall
>>>>>> education level is  declining?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad  Haslett  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Herb,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It all  reminds me of an incident that
>>>>>>>
>>>  happened  about
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  two weeks  ago
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  (and a similar incident 2 decades ago  when
>>>>>>>
>>> my  older
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  boys  were
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  youngsters).  One of Fan's friends,  a
>>>>>>>
>>>  Filipino
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  lady who husband  was
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  making rounds as Doc on a  Saturday
>>>>>>>
>>> morning, made  the
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  mistake  of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  leaving her five year-old with me for  the
>>>>>>>
>>> morning  so
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  they could  go
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  shopping.  I couldn't wait for  their
>>>>>>>
>>> car to  hit
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  the end of  the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  driveway.  When they returned,  Momma
>>>>>>>
>>> Filipino asked  me
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  how  "little
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  shithead" and I got along.   "Oh,
>>>>>>>
>>> just  fine,
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  he's a sweet kid".   I'm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  assuming he was still too scared to  tell
>>>>>>>
>>> mom how  I
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  picked him up  by
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  his britches (therefore scrunching  what
>>>>>>>
>>> little nuts  he
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  had) to have  a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  'mano-a-mano' talk at eye  level.
>>>>>>>
>>>  These
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  gutless wonders who call  cops
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  for silly shit they should handle  real
>>>>>>>
>>> time not  only
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  amaze me,  but
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  piss me off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  And you wonder why people work two jobs  to
>>>>>>>
>>> send  their
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  kids to  a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  private school where they can be  kicked
>>>>>>>
>>> out in  a
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  heartbeat?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Brad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat,  Nov 22, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Herb
>>>>>>>
>>>  Parsons
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  <hparsons at parsonsys.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  I read that one too, and was  all
>>>>>>>>
>>> prepared to  be
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  outraged as  well;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  however, I think this is a case  of
>>>>>>>>
>>>  creating
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  "attention  grabbing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  headlines". I suspect that  the
>>>>>>>>
>>> kid  turning
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  off the computers of  those
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  around him during the computer  class
>>>>>>>>
>>> was the  real
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  disruption that  got
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  him in trouble. If you isolate  the
>>>>>>>>
>>> two, it  makes
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  it pretty  apparent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  If he was ONLY turning off  computers
>>>>>>>>
>>>  during
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  computer class, would  he
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  have been disciplined - most likely
>>>>>>>> If he  was ONLY "passing
>>>>>>>>
>>> wind"  during
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  class, would have been  disciplined
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  - probably  not
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If  the last one was the case  though,
>>>>>>>>
>>> THEN it  would
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  have made for  a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  really interesting story. Right  up
>>>>>>>>
>>> there with  the
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  ones about 5 year  olds
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  being disciplined for  "sexual
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  harrassment" for kissing  girls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Now THAT was an art form when I was  a
>>>>>>>>
>>> kid  :)
>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Good thing they finally  busted
>>>>>>>>>
>>> this  kid.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Imagine, if you let  this
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  kind of thing go on  he'd
>>>>>>>>>
>>> eventually end  of
>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Governor of some  state
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  ignoring the slaughter  of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>  Thanksgiving
>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  turkeys. In my family,  "passing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  gas" was considered an  art
>>>>>>>>>
>>> form  and
>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I've always been a  competitive
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  person.  Thank goodness my  school
>>>>>>>>>
>>> teachers  had
>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  a sense of humor -  at
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  least I'd like to think  they
>>>>>>>>>
>>>  did.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Brad
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>  http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1121083gas1.html
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  --
>>>>>>>> Herb  Parsons
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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