[Rhodes22-list] Oh My God!
elle
watermusic38 at yahoo.com
Sun Nov 23 21:13:09 EST 2008
Herb,
I can believe every word, and I am appalled. I will not deny that thee are jerks in education (they are the epitome of "Those who can't, teach...) who give the rest of us a bad name.
But name a profession that doesn't have the jerks in it.
What I do know is that when I began in 1969, and through the 80's, I LOVED teaching. We had fun. Kids & parents were working in concert with the schools. (The school I happened to be in at the time was the last bastion of segregation in this county...they did not fully integrate until the time I moved there..) We worked hard and learned...sometimes together..(.good teaching inspired good thinking ) and the circle continued.....
But somewhere in the 80's, things changed. Legislators began meddling and criticizing; a day didn't go by without reading about new regs, laws, Standards of Quality, cookie-cutter education..It was not fun anymore. We were under fire from all sides. Now we have 'No Child Left Behind" or "Let's raise everyone to the lowest common denominator." Critical thinking? How can that be bubbled in?
What a mess ...and with budgets being cut, schools are laboring under these unfunded mandates...talk about stress!
I'm glad I'm now in the after-school volunteer tutoring ranks.
elle
We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
--- On Sun, 11/23/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oh My God!
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 8:54 PM
> While you're getting it, I'll relate to you a true
> story of my own. This
> is first hand.
>
> My youngest came home one day and semi-causally mentioned
> that her PE
> coach called her "stupid". Not "don't
> act stuipd" (which is bad enough),
> but actually said "Kaite, you're stupid".
>
> I asked her when her PE class met. It was first period in
> the morning. I
> told her I'd be taking her to school the next day and
> introducing myself
> to her coach.
>
> Now mind you, of my four daughters, Katie is by far the one
> most like
> me. She can be obnoxious, bullheaded, and defiant, and
> joyfully delight
> in all of the above. UNLIKE me, she's been known to
> tell a tall tale or
> two, so I was willing to go in to meet the coach with
> something of an
> open mind.
>
> We walked in the gym, and she headed for the dressing room.
> I walked to
> the coach, and introduced myself. The conversation went
> something like this:
>
> Me: Hi Coach XXXXX, I'm Herb Parsons, Katie's
> father.
> He: Good to meet you, what can I help you with today.
> Me: Well, we have a little problem I wanted to clear up.
> Katie tells me
> you called her "stupid", is that correct?
> He: Hmmmm.... no, no I don't believe I said anything
> like that to her.
> Me: Man, I hate it when she lies to me like that. Let's
> get this
> resolved right now (Much louder - so she could hear me
> across the gym)
> Kaite - get over here please, I need to talk to you.
> He: Oh wait, wait, no need to bring her over here. Now that
> I think
> about it, I might have said that to her.
> Me: Oh... OK. (Louder again) Katie, that's OK, never
> mind. (Much quieter
> now, in almost a monotone). You know, Katie has her share
> of problems,
> but she's not stupid. I want you to know, if she's
> giving you any
> problems at all, please contact me. At the same time, if
> you give her
> problems, Katie knows that she can tell me about it, and
> I'll deal with
> it. I hope we understand each other.
> He: Yessir, we do.
> Me: Just so you know, I'm not angry, and I DO want you
> to call me if she
> causes you problems. But I don't want you calling her
> inappropriate
> names or mistreating her. She's my kid, and I love her.
> He: I understand. I hope you accept my apology. It
> wasn't meant in malice.
> Me: No problem.
>
> Now, to the broader issue we were discussing. I've seen
> the teacher's
> unions complain about area school districts establishing
> minimum
> competency testing. I've seen the teacher's unions
> complain about pay
> rates. I've seen those issues written into contractual
> agreements
> between the unions and the school districts. Maybe they, as
> unions, have
> complained about their lack of ability to paddle or
> discipline, but I
> haven't heard about. I don't think they have.
> I'm almost positive that
> the ability to discipline has not been in contention when
> negotiating
> for contracts. I've even heard of teachers going on
> strike over wages,
> but never over the ability (or lack thereof) to discipline
> the kids.
>
>
> elle wrote:
> > That'll have to be a qualified 'yes.'
> Remember that my position is based on what I observed and
> lived for 33 years in a highly regarded, highly rated school
> system in the Northern Virginia suburbs.
> >
> > Teachers have very little discipline power as
> administrators do not stand behind them, and central office
> administrators do not stand behind school administrators.
> Central office legal counsel is a joke. the kid knows he has
> the power..all he ahs to do is callin mom or dad & lie,
> and the school backs dow. Of course, the teacher was wrong.
> >
> > Teachrs, being on the bottom of this discipline chain,
> are at the mercy of the administrators. On the occasion
> (rare!) that there is as administrator who has the
> ..um...fortitude..to stand up for whatever is right &
> sane in a disciplinary matter, , you'll see a school
> that works. It is the same principle of parents who hold the
> line & those who let the kids run wild.
> >
> > Many parents have NO idea how their kids behave in
> school...if they knew, they would be appalled. (of course,
> it would be the school's fault!
> >
> > (Just one facet here:) The special ed lobby in VA has
> administrators tied in knots. It is almost impossible to
> discipline any sp ed kid as all the parent has to do is have
> it documented that the misbehavior is part of the
> child's disability and there's nothing that can be
> done. And I am talking of severe behaviors.
> >
> > This is a very narrow lens, I know, but kids &
> systems don't differ that much.
> >
> > The dialog is this: The teacher is wrong. S/he
> embarassed, scared (your lie here) my kid. My kid is perfect
> and would do no such thing.
> >
> > Herb,
> >
> > I've just remembered a true story emailed to me by
> a friend (it happened to her!) who is at or very near to
> retirement age. I have to sign out of this list & go get
> it from another...I'll be back in a few with a true
> story that will appall you.
> >
> > elle
> >
> >
> >
> > We can't change the angle of the wind....but we
> can adjust our sails.
> >
> > 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic"
> (Lady in Red)
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Herb Parsons
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oh My God!
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 7:46 PM
> >> Interesting. Please do note, MY position is that
> both the
> >> educational
> >> community (primarily the administrative, but the
> teachers
> >> themselves are
> >> also part of the problem), and the parents share
> fault in
> >> the current
> >> situation. Is it really your position that the
> educational
> >> community
> >> shares no blame in this mess?
> >>
> >> elle wrote:
> >>
> >>> Herb,
> >>>
> >>> Yep, we are on opposite sides this
> >>>
> >> time...'seeing' the school system from
> whatever
> >> angles and being in the employ for two doesn't
> hold a
> >> candle to every day for 33 years, in three
> different levels
> >> (elementary, jr high (I high-tailed it out of
> there to the
> >> high school when they went to the
> middle-school-hormone-hell
> >> model) & high school.
> >>
> >>> Ya gotta have the shoes on in order to walk
> that
> >>>
> >> mile...
> >>
> >>> elle
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We can't change the angle of the
> wind....but we
> >>>
> >> can adjust our sails.
> >>
> >>> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06
> "WaterMusic"
> >>>
> >> (Lady in Red)
> >>
> >>> --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Herb Parsons
> >>>
> >> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: Herb Parsons
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oh My God!
> >>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> >>>>
> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>
> >>>> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 6:31 PM
> >>>> Well elle, we're going to have to
> disagree on
> >>>>
> >> this one.
> >>
> >>>> I pay school
> >>>> taxes, thus I DO have a "dog in this
> >>>>
> >> hunt". I
> >>
> >>>> also had 4 children in
> >>>> various public and private schools over
> the years,
> >>>>
> >> and I
> >>
> >>>> did in fact
> >>>> spend two years in the employ of a local
> school
> >>>>
> >> district.
> >>
> >>>> I've seen the
> >>>> system from just about every angle
> possible.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> elle wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Sorry, Herb. You know not of which you
> speak.
> >>>>>
> >> In fact,
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> you acknowledge it at the beginning when
> you
> >>>> said,"Actually, I think ..."
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You may analyze,think, suppose and
> assume,
> >>>>>
> >> burt unless
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> you spent the years from 1969-2002 in an
> >>>>
> >> elementary, junior
> >>
> >>>> high and high school classroom, with
> upwards of
> >>>>
> >> 120 vastly
> >>
> >>>> differing 'entitled' students of
> all
> >>>>
> >> colors,
> >>
> >>>> backgrounds, attitudes, and watched the
> society
> >>>>
> >> change from
> >>
> >>>> the kid needing correction (being able to
> paddle
> >>>>
> >> (which was
> >>
> >>>> allowed) to the teacher needs correction
> >>>>
> >> ("you
> >>
> >>>> embarrassed my child when he had no
> >>>>
> >> homework....") you
> >>
> >>>> really have no dog in this hunt.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> elle
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BYW....FYI I'm at -6 on the
> "Life
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Sucks-O-Meter" so be forwarned and
> >>>>
> >> forarmed...;^)
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> We can't change the angle of the
> >>>>>
> >> wind....but we
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> can adjust our sails.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06
> >>>>>
> >> "WaterMusic"
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> (Lady in Red)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Herb Parsons
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> From: Herb Parsons
> >>>>>
> >> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oh My
> God!
> >>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email
> List"
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008,
> 11:42 PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Actually, I think it's a
> combination of
> >>>>>
> >> multiple
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> issues. Let's face it,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> if the educational lobby concentrated
> as hard
> >>>>>
> >> on
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> issues like the one you
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> just mentioned as they do on
> increasing
> >>>>>
> >> funding,
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> increasing the size of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> their bureaucracy, protecting
> incompetent
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> "educators", etc., those
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> laws
> >>>>> likely would never have been passed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At the same time, if we as parents,
> were more
> >>>>>
> >> involved
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> in the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> educational process of our children,
> most of
> >>>>>
> >> us would
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> be surprised at
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> exactly what we can do. However, in
> the
> >>>>>
> >> relative
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> vaccumn of parental
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> involvement, the bureaucracies have
> thrived
> >>>>>
> >> like a
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> fungus, and we've
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> ended up where we are now.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As Brad alluded to, that's one of
> the
> >>>>>
> >> reasons we
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> see people making the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> sacrifices they make to keep their
> kids in
> >>>>>
> >> private
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> schools where there
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> the bureaucratic mess is mitigated.
> And
> >>>>>
> >> I'm not
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> talking about the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> wealthy, who put their kids in private
> school
> >>>>>
> >> without
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> thought or effort.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I'm talking about the working
> class Joe
> >>>>>
> >> that makes
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> real sacrifices
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> because they've been scared off by
> the
> >>>>>
> >> mess that
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> public school has become.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> elle wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Read the papers, Herb.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Educators haven't 'turned
> >>>>>>
> >> over'
> >>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> discipline; it has been ripped
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> out of their control by laws and
> regulations
> >>>>>
> >> and
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> lawsuits.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Don't tax yourself by making
> this too
> >>>>>>
> >> hard;
> >>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> just concentrate on
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> looking up the laws regulating the
> >>>>>
> >> disciplining of
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> special ed students.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> You might want to add in the
> students on
> >>>>>>
> >> probation
> >>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> who are sent back to
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> school by naive judges.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> That's a fun mix to have in
> the
> >>>>>>
> >> classroom: a
> >>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> kid who knows you
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> can't do anything to him & a
> kid who
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> doesn't care what is done to
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> him.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Oh..add a few who don't speak
> >>>>>>
> >> English.....
> >>
> >>>>>> Great atmosphere for readin'
> &
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> writin'.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> elle
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We can't change the angle of
> the
> >>>>>>
> >> wind....but
> >>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> we can adjust our sails.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Herb Parsons
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From: Herb Parsons
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]
> Oh My
> >>>>>>>
> >> God!
> >>
> >>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email
> >>>>>>>
> >> List"
> >>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Date: Saturday, November 22,
> 2008,
> >>>>>>>
> >> 9:42 PM
> >>
> >>>>>>> Isn't it amazing how much
> >>>>>>>
> >> educators have
> >>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> turned over
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> discipline to
> >>>>>>> "professionals" so
> they can
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> "concentrate on
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> educating"; yet the
> overall
> >>>>>>> education level is declining?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Herb,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It all reminds me of an
> incident
> >>>>>>>>
> >> that
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> happened about
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> two weeks ago
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (and a similar incident 2
> decades
> >>>>>>>>
> >> ago when
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> my older
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> boys were
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> youngsters). One of
> Fan's
> >>>>>>>>
> >> friends, a
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> Filipino
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> lady who husband was
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> making rounds as Doc on a
> Saturday
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> morning, made the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> mistake of
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> leaving her five year-old
> with me
> >>>>>>>>
> >> for the
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> morning so
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> they could go
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> shopping. I couldn't
> wait for
> >>>>>>>>
> >> their
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> car to hit
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> the end of the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> driveway. When they
> returned,
> >>>>>>>>
> >> Momma
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> Filipino asked me
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> how "little
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> shithead" and I got
> along.
> >>>>>>>>
> >> "Oh,
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> just fine,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> he's a sweet kid".
> I'm
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> assuming he was still too
> scared
> >>>>>>>>
> >> to tell
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> mom how I
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> picked him up by
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> his britches (therefore
> scrunching
> >>>>>>>>
> >> what
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> little nuts he
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> had) to have a
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 'mano-a-mano' talk
> at eye
> >>>>>>>>
> >> level.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> These
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> gutless wonders who call cops
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> for silly shit they should
> handle
> >>>>>>>>
> >> real
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> time not only
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> amaze me, but
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> piss me off.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And you wonder why people
> work two
> >>>>>>>>
> >> jobs to
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> send their
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> kids to a
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> private school where they
> can be
> >>>>>>>>
> >> kicked
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> out in a
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> heartbeat?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Brad
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at
> 5:55 PM,
> >>>>>>>>
> >> Herb
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> Parsons
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I read that one too,
> and was
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> all
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> prepared to be
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> outraged as well;
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> however, I think this
> is a
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> case of
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> creating
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "attention grabbing
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> headlines". I
> suspect
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> that the
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> kid turning
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> off the computers of those
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> around him during the
> computer
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> class
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> was the real
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> disruption that got
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> him in trouble. If you
> isolate
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> two, it makes
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> it pretty apparent.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If he was ONLY turning
> off
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> computers
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> during
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> computer class, would he
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> have been disciplined
> - most
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> likely
> >>
> >>>>>>>>> If he was ONLY
> "passing
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> wind" during
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> class, would have been
> disciplined
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> - probably not
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If the last one was
> the case
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> though,
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> THEN it would
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> have made for a
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> really interesting
> story.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> Right up
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> there with the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ones about 5 year olds
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> being disciplined for
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> "sexual
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> harrassment" for kissing
> girls.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Now THAT was an art
> form when
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> I was a
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> kid :)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Good thing they
> finally
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >> busted
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>> this kid.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>> Imagine, if you let this
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> kind of thing go
> on
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >> he'd
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>> eventually end of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>> Governor of some state
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ignoring the
> slaughter of
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>> Thanksgiving
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>> turkeys. In my family,
> "passing
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> gas" was
> considered
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >> an art
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>> form and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>> I've always been a
> competitive
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> person. Thank
> goodness my
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >> school
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>> teachers had
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>> a sense of humor - at
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> least I'd like
> to
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >> think they
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>> did.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Brad
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>
> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1121083gas1.html
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> __________________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> To
> subscribe/unsubscribe
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >> or for
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>> help with
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>> using the mailing list go to
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> __________________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>
> __________________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>> To
> subscribe/unsubscribe or
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> for help
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> with using
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> the mailing list go to
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> __________________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>
> __________________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe
> or for
> >>>>>>>>
> >> help with
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> using the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> mailing list go to
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> __________________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Herb Parsons
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> __________________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or
> for help
> >>>>>>>
> >> with
> >>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> using the mailing
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> list go to
> >>>>>>>
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> >>
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>
> __________________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Herb Parsons
> >>>>
> >>>>
> __________________________________________________
> >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with
> using
> >>>>
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> >>
> >>>> list go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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> >>>
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> >>>
> >> --
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> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
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> >
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