[Rhodes22-list] Oh My God!

elle watermusic38 at yahoo.com
Sun Nov 23 21:51:54 EST 2008


Brad,

The last words..and good ones.
elle

We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.

1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)


--- On Sun, 11/23/08, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oh My God!
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 9:21 PM
> Rummy,
> 
> That's not a statement I can agree with.  Education is
> a life long
> experience. Even the child from the worst environment has
> access to a
> K-12 education.  It may not be the best education, and it
> may not be
> fair compared to other kids born into better circumstances,
> but they
> at least have access.  The three most reliable predictors
> of poverty
> are (1) not graduating from HS, (2) having a child out of
> wedlock, and
> (3) getting addicted to drugs or alcohol. Do all three and
> you are
> almost guaranteed failure. When you have kids coming from
> households
> with all three present, no amount of money thrown at
> "education" will
> solve the problem.
> 
> The reason private schools do so well with fewer resources
> is because
> they get the students that come from families that
> don't fit into the
> three predictors of poverty.  It isn't the education
> system that is
> broken.  Throwing more money at "education" will
> not solve the base
> problem.
> 
> Brad
> 
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 8:02 PM, 
> <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> > Brad,
> > Funny thing about education, you only get one shot at
> it.
> >
> >  Rummy
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 11/23/2008 8:42:39 P.M. Eastern
> Standard Time,
> > flybrad at gmail.com writes:
> >
> > Herb,
> >
> > Speaking from my own experience, there are good public
>  schools and bad
> > ones.  I was fortunate to go to a good one, well 
> funded (thank you
> > Chicago for sending your tax dollars down state), with
>  lot's of
> > parental involvement (I've already told the story
> here about my  dad
> > making asses out of the school board in public).  When
> my oldest  was
> > ready to start school in Little Rock it was a no
> brainer.  He went  to
> > private schools from K-12. My second went to both. 
> Cora is now  in
> > public school and we couldn't be happier, so far.
> My bitch with  the
> > public school system all along is why is the Federal 
> 'gubment'
> > involved for any reason?
> >
> > Obama has mouthed lot's of  answers about
> education and spent lot's of
> > other folks money on  experiments, but isn't
> willing to put at risk his
> > own daughters (article  attached).  I admire he and
> Michelle for using
> > their resources to  their children's best
> advantage.  He obviously
> > feels the same way I do  about education.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > -------------------
> >
> > The Obamas Walk  Away from Public Schools
> >
> > Posted By Andrew J. Coulson On November 21,  2008 @
> 9:06 pm In
> > Education and Child Policy | Comments Disabled
> >
> > A  few months ago, Barack Obama told a gathering of
> the American
> > Federation of  Teachers that he opposes private school
> choice programs,
> > adding: "We need  to focus on fixing and
> improving our public schools;
> > [1] not throwing our  hands up and walking away from
> them."
> >
> > It's not clear whether or not the  president-elect
> will be able to fix
> > our public schools, and I don't know if  he's
> thrown up his hands, but
> > he and his two daughters have just walked  away from
> the public
> > schools. Again. When they move from Chicago to D.C., 
> Malia and Sasha
> > Obama will be moving from the prestigious private Lab 
> School [2] to
> > the prestigious private Sidwell Friends school —
> Chelsea  Clinton's old
> > stomping ground.
> >
> > Not that there's anything wrong with  that. In
> fact, it's wonderful
> > that the Obamas had such a broad range of  public and
> private school
> > choices available to them. What's puzzling is 
> that the president-elect
> > opposes programs that would bring that same easy 
> choice of schools
> > within reach of families who lack his personal wealth.
> By  his actions,
> > Senator Obama is demonstrating that he is not willing
> to wait  for his
> > own policy prescriptions to "fix and
> improve" public schools, but  he
> > expects folks with less ample bank accounts to
> patiently await  his
> > hoped-for change.
> >
> > And while many reports will no doubt trumpet  the
> $25,000+ tuition at
> > Sidwell Friends, implying that this is  extravagantly
> beyond what is
> > spent in D.C. public schools, they will be  mistaken.
> As I wrote in the
> > [3] Washington Post and [4] on this blog, D.C.  public
> schools also
> > spent about $25,000 per child in the 2007-08 school 
> year.
> >
> > It's not that president-elect Obama is against
> spending a lot of  money
> > on other people's kids — he's just against
> letting their  parents
> > choose where that money is spent.
> >
> > Article printed from Cato  @ Liberty:
> http://www.cato-at-liberty.org
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008  at 6:46 PM, Herb Parsons
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> >>  Interesting. Please do note, MY position is that
> both the educational
> >>  community (primarily the administrative, but the
> teachers themselves  are
> >> also part of the problem), and the parents share
> fault in the  current
> >> situation. Is it really your position that the
> educational  community
> >> shares no blame in this mess?
> >>
> >> elle  wrote:
> >>> Herb,
> >>>
> >>> Yep, we are on opposite sides  this
> time...'seeing' the school system from
> > whatever angles and being in the  employ for two
> doesn't hold a candle to
> > every day for 33 years, in three  different levels
> (elementary, jr high (I
> > high-tailed it out of there to the  high school when
> they went to the
> > middle-school-hormone-hell model) & high  school.
> >>>
> >>> Ya gotta have the shoes on in order to walk 
> that mile...
> >>>
> >>> elle
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  We can't change the angle of the
> wind....but we can adjust our  sails.
> >>>
> >>> 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  
> "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---  On Sun, 11/23/08, Herb Parsons
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: Herb Parsons 
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oh  My God!
> >>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" 
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>> Date: Sunday, November 23,  2008, 6:31 PM
> >>>> Well elle, we're going to have to
> disagree on  this one.
> >>>> I pay school
> >>>> taxes, thus I DO have a  "dog in this
> hunt". I
> >>>> also had 4 children in
> >>>>  various public and private schools over
> the years, and I
> >>>> did  in fact
> >>>> spend two years in the employ of a local
> school  district.
> >>>> I've seen the
> >>>> system from just about  every angle
> possible.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> elle  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Sorry, Herb. You know not of which 
> you speak. In fact,
> >>>>>
> >>>> you acknowledge it at  the beginning when
> you
> >>>> said,"Actually, I think  ..."
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You may  analyze,think, suppose and
> assume, burt  unless
> >>>>>
> >>>> you spent the years from 1969-2002  in an
> elementary, junior
> >>>> high and high school classroom, with 
> upwards of 120 vastly
> >>>> differing 'entitled' students of
> all  colors,
> >>>> backgrounds, attitudes, and watched the
> society change  from
> >>>> the kid needing correction (being able to
> paddle (which  was
> >>>> allowed) to the teacher needs correction 
> ("you
> >>>> embarrassed my child when he had no
> homework....")  you
> >>>> really have no dog in this  hunt.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  elle
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BYW....FYI   I'm at -6  on the
> "Life
> >>>>>
> >>>> Sucks-O-Meter" so be  forwarned and
> forarmed...;^)
> >>>>
> >>>>> We can't  change the angle of the
> wind....but we
> >>>>>
> >>>> can  adjust our sails.
> >>>>
> >>>>> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 
> "WaterMusic"
> >>>>>
> >>>> (Lady in  Red)
> >>>>
> >>>>> --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Herb  Parsons
> >>>>>
> >>>> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> From: Herb Parsons 
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >>>>> Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list] Oh My
> God!
> >>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email 
> List"
> >>>>>
> >>>>  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Date:  Saturday, November 22, 2008,
> 11:42 PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  Actually, I think it's a
> combination of  multiple
> >>>>>
> >>>> issues. Let's face  it,
> >>>>
> >>>>> if the educational lobby concentrated 
> as hard on
> >>>>>
> >>>> issues like the one  you
> >>>>
> >>>>> just mentioned as they do on 
> increasing funding,
> >>>>>
> >>>> increasing the size  of
> >>>>
> >>>>> their bureaucracy, protecting 
> incompetent
> >>>>>
> >>>> "educators", etc.,  those
> >>>>
> >>>>> laws
> >>>>> likely  would never have been passed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At the  same time, if we as parents,
> were more  involved
> >>>>>
> >>>> in  the
> >>>>
> >>>>> educational process of our children, 
> most of us would
> >>>>>
> >>>> be surprised  at
> >>>>
> >>>>> exactly what we can do. However, in
> the  relative
> >>>>>
> >>>> vaccumn of  parental
> >>>>
> >>>>> involvement, the bureaucracies  have
> thrived like a
> >>>>>
> >>>> fungus, and  we've
> >>>>
> >>>>> ended up where we are  now.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As Brad alluded to, that's one of 
> the reasons we
> >>>>>
> >>>> see people making  the
> >>>>
> >>>>> sacrifices they make to keep their 
> kids in private
> >>>>>
> >>>> schools where  there
> >>>>
> >>>>> the bureaucratic mess is mitigated. 
> And I'm not
> >>>>>
> >>>> talking about  the
> >>>>
> >>>>> wealthy, who put their kids in private
>  school without
> >>>>>
> >>>> thought or  effort.
> >>>>
> >>>>> I'm talking about the working 
> class Joe that makes
> >>>>>
> >>>> real  sacrifices
> >>>>
> >>>>> because they've been scared off 
> by the mess that
> >>>>>
> >>>> public school has  become.
> >>>>
> >>>>> elle  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Read  the papers, Herb.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Educators  haven't 'turned
> over'
> >>>>>>
> >>>> discipline; it  has been  ripped
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>  out of their control by laws and
> regulations  and
> >>>>>
> >>>>  lawsuits.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>  Don't tax yourself by making
> this too  hard;
> >>>>>>
> >>>> just concentrate  on
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>  looking up the laws regulating the
> disciplining  of
> >>>>>
> >>>> special ed  students.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>  You might want to add in the
> students on  probation
> >>>>>>
> >>>> who are sent back  to
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>  school by naive  judges.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> That's  a fun mix to have in
> the classroom: a
> >>>>>>
> >>>>  kid who knows  you
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>  can't do anything to him & a
> kid who
> >>>>>
> >>>>  doesn't care what is done to
> >>>>
> >>>>>  him.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Oh..add a  few who don't speak
>  English.....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Great atmosphere  for readin'
> &
> >>>>>>
> >>>>  writin'.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>  elle
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We can't change the angle  of
> the wind....but
> >>>>>>
> >>>> we can adjust our  sails.
> >>>>
> >>>>>> 1992 Rhodes 22    Recyc '06
> >>>>>>
> >>>> "WaterMusic"    (Lady in Red)
> >>>>
> >>>>>> --- On Sat, 11/22/08,  Herb
> Parsons
> >>>>>>
> >>>>  <hparsons at parsonsys.com>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  From: Herb Parsons
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>  <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>  Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]
> Oh My God!
> >>>>>>> To: "The  Rhodes 22 Email
>  List"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Date: Saturday, November 22,
> 2008, 9:42 PM
> >>>>>>> Isn't  it amazing how much
> educators have
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>  turned over
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> discipline  to
> >>>>>>> "professionals" so
> they  can
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> "concentrate  on
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> educating"; yet the 
> overall
> >>>>>>> education level is  declining?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Brad  Haslett  wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  Herb,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It all  reminds me of an
> incident that
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>  happened  about
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  two weeks  ago
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  (and a similar incident 2
> decades ago  when
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> my  older
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  boys  were
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  youngsters).  One of
> Fan's friends,  a
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>  Filipino
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  lady who husband  was
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  making rounds as Doc on a
>  Saturday
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> morning, made  the
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  mistake  of
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  leaving her five year-old
> with me for  the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> morning  so
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  they could  go
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  shopping.  I couldn't
> wait for  their
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> car to  hit
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  the end of  the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  driveway.  When they
> returned,  Momma
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> Filipino asked  me
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  how  "little
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  shithead" and I got
> along.   "Oh,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> just  fine,
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  he's a sweet kid".  
> I'm
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  assuming he was still too
> scared to  tell
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> mom how  I
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  picked him up  by
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  his britches (therefore
> scrunching  what
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> little nuts  he
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  had) to have  a
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  'mano-a-mano'
> talk at eye  level.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>  These
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  gutless wonders who call 
> cops
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  for silly shit they
> should handle  real
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> time not  only
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  amaze me,  but
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  piss me off.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  And you wonder why people
> work two jobs  to
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> send  their
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  kids to  a
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  private school where they
> can be  kicked
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> out in  a
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  heartbeat?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  Brad
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Sat,  Nov 22, 2008 at
> 5:55 PM, Herb
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>  Parsons
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>  wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  I read that one too,
> and was  all
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> prepared to  be
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  outraged as  well;
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  however, I think this
> is a case  of
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>  creating
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  "attention  grabbing
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  headlines". I
> suspect that  the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> kid  turning
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  off the computers of  those
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  around him during the
> computer  class
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> was the  real
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  disruption that  got
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  him in trouble. If
> you isolate  the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> two, it  makes
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  it pretty  apparent.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  If he was ONLY
> turning off  computers
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>  during
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  computer class, would  he
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  have been disciplined
> - most likely
> >>>>>>>>> If he  was ONLY
> "passing
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> wind"  during
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  class, would have been 
> disciplined
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  - probably  not
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If  the last one was
> the case  though,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> THEN it  would
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  have made for  a
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  really interesting
> story. Right  up
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> there with  the
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  ones about 5 year  olds
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  being disciplined for
>  "sexual
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  harrassment" for kissing
>  girls.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  Now THAT was an art
> form when I was  a
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> kid  :)
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  Good thing they
> finally  busted
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> this  kid.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Imagine, if you let  this
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  kind of thing go
> on  he'd
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> eventually end  of
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Governor of some  state
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  ignoring the
> slaughter  of
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>  Thanksgiving
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  turkeys. In my family, 
> "passing
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  gas" was
> considered an  art
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> form  and
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  I've always been a 
> competitive
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  person.  Thank
> goodness my  school
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> teachers  had
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  a sense of humor -  at
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  least I'd
> like to think  they
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>  did.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  Brad
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> 
> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1121083gas1.html
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> 
> __________________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>
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> >>>>
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> 
> __________________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  --
> >>>>>>>>> Herb  Parsons
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> 
> __________________________________________________
> >>>>
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> subscribe/unsubscribe or for  help
> >>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>
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> >>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>
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> >>>> 
> __________________________________________________
> >>>>
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> 
> __________________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  --
> >>>>>>> Herb  Parsons
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> 
> __________________________________________________
> >>>>
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> for help  with
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> using the  mailing
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