[Rhodes22-list] Andrew, Elle & Herb, comments on your posts.

John Shulick jsbudda at verizon.net
Tue Nov 25 00:43:46 EST 2008


Actually I think one could be mayor of some some pathetic y'allsville town as
well. Good luck on your next attempt.


hparsons wrote:
> 
> I'd say the village has plenty of idiots to go around. I'd further say 
> that those that think that a "village idiot" can become president of the 
> US reveal a lot about their own mental acuity.
> 
> 
> John Shulick wrote:
>> Pot?
>>
>> I will give W credit for one thing, he has proven to be a shining example
>> showcasing the true greatness of our country and the strength of our
>> political system. Here in America even the village idiot can aspire to
>> and
>> become the President. Truly an amazing country we live in.
>>
>> John Shulick (skillet)
>>
>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>   
>>> Dear Kettle,
>>> From pot: Probably the worst thing I have said about the current
>>> president  
>>> is that he's the dumbest SOB that has ever held this office. I stand by
>>> that  
>>> statement. I am sure history will prove me correct. It is my opinion and
>>> I
>>> am  
>>> allowed to have one....as long as my wife tells me I can.
>>>  
>>> Rummy
>>>  
>>>  
>>> In a message dated 11/23/2008 12:15:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
>>> flybrad at gmail.com writes:
>>>
>>> Rummy,
>>>
>>> Fair?  LOL!
>>>
>>> There's few things fair in  politics but we always hear about
>>> "fairness".  Axlerod was on Fox News  this morning saying the tax-hike
>>> for the "rich" will be delayed.  Now  that's smart economics but it
>>> will be another huge disappointment to the  far lefties who thought
>>> they were electing a saint. Even in todays post you  use the term
>>> "farce" which is much kinder than some of the other things  you've said
>>> in the past eight years.  I've been a helluva lot more  accepting of
>>> Obama and wishing him success than you ever were  W.
>>>
>>> Pot, meet kettle.
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:59  AM,  <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>>     
>>>> Brad,
>>>> I'm sorry  the your candidate didn't win the election, but I doubt that
>>>> it  
>>>>       
>>>  is
>>>     
>>>> fair to accuse the left of finally seeing that Mr. Obama can't do  
>>>>       
>>> everything
>>>     
>>>> he has promised. The man isn't even in office yet and the  "righties"
>>>> are
>>>> already  pinning our current problems on him.  After eight years of an
>>>> administration that  really was a farce,  at least give Obama four
>>>> years
>>>> to 
>>>>       
>>> try and rectify
>>>     
>>>> the screw  ups  of this current administration.on  Don't even try to
>>>> call 
>>>>       
>>> me a
>>>     
>>>>  lefty or  a righty because I don't wear lapels that you can pin a
>>>> label  
>>>>       
>>> on.
>>>     
>>>> I'm just an  average "Joe" trying to get this country back on  the
>>>> right 
>>>>       
>>> track.
>>>     
>>>> The ultra  right wing conservative nut jobs have  run this country into
>>>> the
>>>> ground and now  it needs fixing. Using  the term conservative with the 
>>>>       
>>> current
>>>     
>>>> administration is  an  insult to all true conservatives.
>>>> Hopefully the very first act Mr.  Obama will sign will make stem cells
>>>> available for research. It might  come in time to save a very good
>>>> friends 
>>>>       
>>> life.  I
>>>     
>>>> can't even  begin to tell you how pissed off HE is at this president.
>>>>
>>>>  Rummy.......time for a drink and football.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a  message dated 11/23/2008 8:24:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>  flybrad at gmail.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> Ed,
>>>>
>>>> Well, the  chickens have come home to roost, so to speak. I  don't envy
>>>>  President-elect Obama and the problems he's been handed.   Perhaps 
>>>> Stan
>>>> is correct - is it too late to ask for a recount?   It's  been a lot of
>>>> fun watching the far left get their panties  in a wad the last  two
>>>> weeks after suddenly realizing that their  Chosen One can't  possibly
>>>> deliver on 10% of what he promised.  Like most incoming  Presidents,
>>>> he's stuck with a lot of policies  handed to him from the  previous
>>>> administration.  He won't  pull out of Iraq on his promised  time
>>>> schedule, he won't find an  easy solution to Afghanistan, and there  is
>>>> no "magic bullet" for  our current economic woes. There are no  quick
>>>> solutions and my  guess is that the current financial pain  we're
>>>> suffering from  will last a good bit longer.  Throwing money at  the
>>>> big
>>>>  three automakers will only breathe a few months or years of life  
>>>> into
>>>> a broken business model.  Personally, I'd sure like a  do-over on  the
>>>> bank bailout. One can only hope that Obama is as  smart as  his
>>>> supporters have promised us he is - he'll need some  smarts for  sure.
>>>> So far he's picked some really good people, not  all of them by  any
>>>> means, but some.
>>>>
>>>> Attached is  an article from the Houston  Chronicle that does a pretty
>>>> good  job of outlining our problems.  It  isn't easy being a
>>>>  conservative these days, but I for one haven't given up  hope.
>>>>  Sometimes people need to be beaten about the head and shoulders   for
>>>> the lessons to take hold, or as we say in flight training,   "the
>>>> beatings will continue until morale improves".
>>>>
>>>>  Unlike the far  left for the past eight years, I'm not going to 
>>>> berate
>>>> the President for  his every little miss-step.  I  sincerely hope he is
>>>> The One.   That said, I'm preparing  just in case he isn't.
>>>>
>>>> On an unrelated note,  did you  know that the turkeys we eat for
>>>> Thanksgiving are actually   killed?  I've been laughing my ass off at
>>>> the "looney  lefties"  including the New York Times going berserk over
>>>> Sarah  Palin giving an  interview while turkeys were being processed in
>>>>  the background.  For  someone supposedly headed for the "dustbin  of
>>>> history", they sure pay a lot  of attention to her every  move.
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> America's  math  problem yields no simple solutions
>>>> Much of the blame rests  with government  spending
>>>> By PAUL W. HOBBY
>>>> Nov. 21, 2008,  8:11PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So America  can still amaze the  world.
>>>>
>>>> Is the election of President-elect Barack  Obama a  blessed
>>>> self-correction or radical over-correction for the  world's  greatest
>>>> nation? We can't know just yet. But, no matter  how you voted, we  have
>>>> to close ranks as a nation at this moment  in history, because  the
>>>> tripod of American authority in the  world is dangerously  unstable.
>>>>
>>>> The tripod consists of  moral authority, economic authority  and
>>>> military authority. For  reasons I need not detail, each of these  legs
>>>> is stressed as  they haven't been in a very long while. In large  part
>>>> whether we  succeed or fail in restoring our balance is about  simple
>>>>  arithmetic. A serious math problem lurks in the shadows  that
>>>>  heretofore neither party has been willing to address in a serious  
>>>> way.
>>>>
>>>> Succinctly stated, the math problem is that the  federal  government
>>>> spends too much — a lot too much. The current  deficit is a  record
>>>> $455
>>>> billion (before the bailout). The  national debt is $10.5  trillion.
>>>>
>>>> The reason for the  inattention is that politics doesn't like  math
>>>> problems.  Speeches are easier, symbols are safe and  personal
>>>> criticisms  are the very best, because those things don't  require
>>>> anything  of us, the people. They don't require introspection,  or
>>>>  sacrifice or sober prioritization of needs and wants. But maybe,   if
>>>> there is a moment for hard reality to emerge, it is at the end  of  a
>>>> political season. Just as it took a Southerner in LBJ to  pass  civil
>>>> rights reform, real spending reform may have to come  from a  Democrat
>>>> (LBJ had a balanced budget in  1969).
>>>>
>>>> Math problems are  hard, but they undergird the  universe. You cannot
>>>> outrun or outtalk or out  organize the math  problem any more than you
>>>> can outtalk or outrun physical   gravity. This is a problem that
>>>> threatens the strength of our  currency,  inhibits the government's
>>>> ability to respond to the  current fiscal crisis,  and diverts precious
>>>> dollars from  infrastructure, education and all forms  of long-term
>>>> public  investment.
>>>>
>>>> How did we get here? You know the  answer at  some level. We are all
>>>> guilty of wanting to consume now and pay   later. Politics is forever
>>>> the struggle between today (current  services)  and tomorrow (education
>>>> and physical infrastructure),  and today usually  gives tomorrow a
>>>> solid
>>>> whipping. For the  "values voter" the math problem  also has a moral
>>>> dimension,  because the practice of shipping the tab for  our lifestyle
>>>> to  our children and grandchildren is truly obscene.  Ironically, the
>>>>  best news for rich folks is that we can't tax our way out  of a mess 
>>>> of
>>>> this proportion. In a global economy, high marginal tax rates   will
>>>> cause capital and tax base to migrate elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>>  Democrats  traditionally ignore the math problem. They just don't 
>>>> turn
>>>> in their  homework and figure that it will all be OK as long  as the
>>>> tax
>>>> code is  useful as a punitive device for administering  social justice
>>>> rather than an  equitable means for funding  government. For their
>>>> part,
>>>> the Republicans  cheat on the math  problem. They talk about fiscal
>>>> restraint and then spend  on  their contributors in a way that makes
>>>> the
>>>> drunkest of sailors  blush.  They say that if we reduce revenue enough
>>>> we can  eventually balance the  budget. We have seen this "new" math
>>>>  before when we were told that  supply-side economics would  magically
>>>> erase the deficit problem. It is true  that tax cuts do  act as
>>>> economic
>>>> stimulus, but the temporary stimulus is   ultimately empty without
>>>> spending restraint.
>>>>
>>>> Beyond  government  spending for a moment, the monetary new math said
>>>>  that $2.5 trillion in  excess leverage (comparing the traditional
>>>>  relationship of bank debt to  GDP) was OK because the risk had  been
>>>> securitized through asset-lite  Enronomics, where the  markets parse
>>>> derivative and speculative risk  intelligently, and  create wealth for
>>>> the most efficient market participants  — in  the absence of any
>>>> fundamental value creation in the underlying   economy. It wasn't OK,
>>>>       
>>>> and a lot of people are getting hurt who  never  bargained for the
>>>> risks
>>>> they now face.
>>>>
>>>> Our  approach to the public  sector over the last eight years has been
>>>>  if you disparage government long  enough it will get better.  Clearly
>>>> that hasn't worked. Obama thinks that  government is  important and
>>>> that
>>>> it can help people, but it can only do so  if  it is fiscally strong.
>>>> His budget cuts, therefore, would spring from  a  different motivation.
>>>> Will that be enough to make them  palatable? I don't  know, but I do
>>>> know that the math problem  demands that he  try.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps the ultimate fiscal blunt  instrument, a balanced  budget
>>>> amendment (with appropriate  exceptions for war or fiscal  emergency),
>>>> may be the bad idea  whose time has come. Congress under both  parties
>>>> has been unable  to discipline itself without it. Make no mistake, 
>>>> this
>>>>  mathematical exercise will be painful; all spending, not just  
>>>> domestic
>>>> discretionary spending, (38 percent of the total) must be  on  the
>>>> table. The only spending that is truly nondiscretionary  is interest 
>>>> on
>>>> the national debt.
>>>>
>>>> Obama is very  smart, and he gives a very good  speech. If he simply
>>>> allows the  latter gift to overcome the former gift, we  may
>>>> temporarily
>>>>  restore some moral authority in the world, and at least the  folks 
>>>> who
>>>> hate us will have to come up with a whole new set of reasons  to  do
>>>> so.
>>>>
>>>> But this won't last; the math problem will  ultimately impoverish  us,
>>>> and beggars don't retain their moral  authority very long. Real  change
>>>> demands that the political  conversation begins to track the  fiscal
>>>> reality for the first  time in a long time.
>>>>
>>>> When I first met  Obama in June  2007, I found him, as millions of
>>>> others have, to be a  special  person. Is he special enough to lead us
>>>> into the math problem  with  the kind of aspirational tone that got him
>>>> elected? I think  so.
>>>>
>>>> I  hope so.
>>>>
>>>> I pray  so.
>>>>
>>>> Hobby is a Houston businessman with  extensive  experience in private
>>>> and public finance.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On  Sun, Nov  23, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>       
>>>>> Andrew,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sorry  about your loss of  being able to use credit to conduct
>>>>> your
>>>>>  business.  Actually, use  of credit has little to do with capitalism 
>>>>> but
>>>>> rather economics  Keynesianism and manipulated market  theory.
>>>>>
>>>>> Understand the  biggest single cause of  the current economic 'Bubble'
>>>>> bursting was the  manipulation  of mortgage market by National
>>>>> Democrats,
>>>>> specifically  Sen.  Dodd of Connecticut and Barney Frank of
>>>>> Massachusetts.
>>>>> These  two  induced Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac to push mortgages 
>>>>> without
>>>>> historical  safeguards.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Specifically they pushed giving mortgages without  sufficient down  
>>>>>         
>>> payments
>>>     
>>>>> to assist mortgage lenders in recovering from   default and pushed
>>>>> giving
>>>>> mortgages with balloon payments to those  who  would not be able to
>>>>> meet 
>>>>>         
>>> the
>>>     
>>>>> ballooning payment.   Read the  information available and you will
>>>>> find 
>>>>>         
>>> that
>>>     
>>>>> the  Bush administration  requested better oversight and stricter 
>>>>> lending
>>>>> requirement.   Those two National Democrats and  their associates
>>>>> hindered 
>>>>>         
>>> or
>>>     
>>>>> stopped  better control.   That is a big part of the current credit  
>>>>>         
>>> crises.
>>>     
>>>>>  This as Stan would say, according to Cindy Spitzer,  was a  'Bubble'. 
>>>>> The
>>>>> bursting of this bubble crippled the   historically reliable mortgage 
>>>>>         
>>> market
>>>     
>>>>> by making all mortgages  credit  suspect.  This included all the
>>>>> packages 
>>>>>         
>>> of
>>>     
>>>>>  credit made from  those mortgages.
>>>>>
>>>>> This has  'mortally' harmed the credit  industry.  This has harmed not  
>>>>>         
>>> only
>>>     
>>>>> getting credit but those who  historically have used it  to smooth
>>>>> contact
>>>>> payments out to pay  routine business  expenses. This harm caused by
>>>>> Fanny
>>>>>         
>>>> Mae
>>>>       
>>>>> and Freddie   Mac will last 50 years or more.  Thank those in the U. 
>>>>> S.
>>>>>  Congress who wanted to use the credit industry to finance  social
>>>>> aims.
>>>>>  Thank you for supporting those  candidates.
>>>>>
>>>>> So how is above  this any different  from Obama's other 'Progressive 
>>>>>         
>>> Goals?'
>>>     
>>>>>  Unfortunately, those  who understand economics understand the
>>>>> problems  
>>>>>         
>>> that
>>>     
>>>>> an  Obama administration will have and cause.  Maybe the  stock market  
>>>>>         
>>> will
>>>     
>>>>> stabilize?  However, the harm inflicted on U.  S.  credit will linger.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sorry that this will cause  you  great personal harm.  What were 
>>>>>         
>>> Warren
>>>     
>>>>> Buffett's  remarks the  other day about future inflation and
>>>>> devaluation  
>>>>>         
>>> of
>>>     
>>>>> the U. S  dollar?  Thank Barney and Chris and fellow  travelers, and
>>>>> your
>>>>>  support of those policies and the  policies advocates.
>>>>>
>>>>> Elle  said, "Educators  haven't 'turned over' discipline; it has been 
>>>>>         
>>> ripped
>>>     
>>>>>  out of  their control by laws and regulations and lawsuits."  Yes  
>>>>> thank
>>>>> plaintiff's attorneys for over zealous advocacy of minor  issues  and 
>>>>>         
>>> nominal
>>>     
>>>>> harms.  We have at least one of  those guys, on this  forum. 
>>>>> Actually,
>>>>> we
>>>>> have several  but they lay low least they  hear about their 
>>>>> activities.
>>>>>
>>>>> Herb said, "At the same time, if  we  as parents were more involved in
>>>>> the
>>>>> educational process of  our  children, most of us would be surprised
>>>>> at
>>>>> exactly what  we can do.  However, in the relative vacuum of parental
>>>>>  involvement, the  bureaucracies have thrived like a fungus, and we've  
>>>>>         
>>> ended
>>>     
>>>>> up where we  are now."
>>>>>
>>>>> The  simple truth is not all parents have time to be  involved.  When 
>>>>> both
>>>>> parents work, as is needed in today's times  to make  ends meet, they
>>>>> do 
>>>>>         
>>> not
>>>     
>>>>> have time to attend PTA and other   activities.
>>>>>
>>>>> Discipline was integral when I  attended  school.  It has been
>>>>> hamstrung
>>>>> by
>>>>>  bureaucracies and sociopaths  and those wanting schools to develop  
>>>>>         
>>> socially
>>>     
>>>>> conscious  students.  Just read about the  themes advocated by Obama's 
>>>>>         
>>> friend
>>>     
>>>>>  Bill Ayers.  He  disregards schools to build basic math and 
>>>>> communication
>>>>>  skills for social purposes. Yet, we have so many who  follow the 
>>>>> sheep
>>>>> herder…
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed   K
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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