[Rhodes22-list] Andrew, Elle & Herb, comments on your posts.

Herb Parsons hparsons at parsonsys.com
Tue Nov 25 10:32:32 EST 2008


John, what in the WORLD are you talking about? I've never attempted to 
become mayor of "y'allsville', or anywhere else for that matter.

Oh wait, your topic was village idiots. Now I understand.


John Shulick wrote:
> Actually I think one could be mayor of some some pathetic y'allsville town as
> well. Good luck on your next attempt.
>
>
> hparsons wrote:
>   
>> I'd say the village has plenty of idiots to go around. I'd further say 
>> that those that think that a "village idiot" can become president of the 
>> US reveal a lot about their own mental acuity.
>>
>>
>> John Shulick wrote:
>>     
>>> Pot?
>>>
>>> I will give W credit for one thing, he has proven to be a shining example
>>> showcasing the true greatness of our country and the strength of our
>>> political system. Here in America even the village idiot can aspire to
>>> and
>>> become the President. Truly an amazing country we live in.
>>>
>>> John Shulick (skillet)
>>>
>>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Dear Kettle,
>>>> From pot: Probably the worst thing I have said about the current
>>>> president  
>>>> is that he's the dumbest SOB that has ever held this office. I stand by
>>>> that  
>>>> statement. I am sure history will prove me correct. It is my opinion and
>>>> I
>>>> am  
>>>> allowed to have one....as long as my wife tells me I can.
>>>>  
>>>> Rummy
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> In a message dated 11/23/2008 12:15:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
>>>> flybrad at gmail.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> Rummy,
>>>>
>>>> Fair?  LOL!
>>>>
>>>> There's few things fair in  politics but we always hear about
>>>> "fairness".  Axlerod was on Fox News  this morning saying the tax-hike
>>>> for the "rich" will be delayed.  Now  that's smart economics but it
>>>> will be another huge disappointment to the  far lefties who thought
>>>> they were electing a saint. Even in todays post you  use the term
>>>> "farce" which is much kinder than some of the other things  you've said
>>>> in the past eight years.  I've been a helluva lot more  accepting of
>>>> Obama and wishing him success than you ever were  W.
>>>>
>>>> Pot, meet kettle.
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:59  AM,  <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> Brad,
>>>>> I'm sorry  the your candidate didn't win the election, but I doubt that
>>>>> it  
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>>  is
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> fair to accuse the left of finally seeing that Mr. Obama can't do  
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> everything
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> he has promised. The man isn't even in office yet and the  "righties"
>>>>> are
>>>>> already  pinning our current problems on him.  After eight years of an
>>>>> administration that  really was a farce,  at least give Obama four
>>>>> years
>>>>> to 
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> try and rectify
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> the screw  ups  of this current administration.on  Don't even try to
>>>>> call 
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> me a
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>  lefty or  a righty because I don't wear lapels that you can pin a
>>>>> label  
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> on.
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> I'm just an  average "Joe" trying to get this country back on  the
>>>>> right 
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> track.
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> The ultra  right wing conservative nut jobs have  run this country into
>>>>> the
>>>>> ground and now  it needs fixing. Using  the term conservative with the 
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> current
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> administration is  an  insult to all true conservatives.
>>>>> Hopefully the very first act Mr.  Obama will sign will make stem cells
>>>>> available for research. It might  come in time to save a very good
>>>>> friends 
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> life.  I
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> can't even  begin to tell you how pissed off HE is at this president.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Rummy.......time for a drink and football.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In a  message dated 11/23/2008 8:24:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>>  flybrad at gmail.com writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed,
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, the  chickens have come home to roost, so to speak. I  don't envy
>>>>>  President-elect Obama and the problems he's been handed.   Perhaps 
>>>>> Stan
>>>>> is correct - is it too late to ask for a recount?   It's  been a lot of
>>>>> fun watching the far left get their panties  in a wad the last  two
>>>>> weeks after suddenly realizing that their  Chosen One can't  possibly
>>>>> deliver on 10% of what he promised.  Like most incoming  Presidents,
>>>>> he's stuck with a lot of policies  handed to him from the  previous
>>>>> administration.  He won't  pull out of Iraq on his promised  time
>>>>> schedule, he won't find an  easy solution to Afghanistan, and there  is
>>>>> no "magic bullet" for  our current economic woes. There are no  quick
>>>>> solutions and my  guess is that the current financial pain  we're
>>>>> suffering from  will last a good bit longer.  Throwing money at  the
>>>>> big
>>>>>  three automakers will only breathe a few months or years of life  
>>>>> into
>>>>> a broken business model.  Personally, I'd sure like a  do-over on  the
>>>>> bank bailout. One can only hope that Obama is as  smart as  his
>>>>> supporters have promised us he is - he'll need some  smarts for  sure.
>>>>> So far he's picked some really good people, not  all of them by  any
>>>>> means, but some.
>>>>>
>>>>> Attached is  an article from the Houston  Chronicle that does a pretty
>>>>> good  job of outlining our problems.  It  isn't easy being a
>>>>>  conservative these days, but I for one haven't given up  hope.
>>>>>  Sometimes people need to be beaten about the head and shoulders   for
>>>>> the lessons to take hold, or as we say in flight training,   "the
>>>>> beatings will continue until morale improves".
>>>>>
>>>>>  Unlike the far  left for the past eight years, I'm not going to 
>>>>> berate
>>>>> the President for  his every little miss-step.  I  sincerely hope he is
>>>>> The One.   That said, I'm preparing  just in case he isn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> On an unrelated note,  did you  know that the turkeys we eat for
>>>>> Thanksgiving are actually   killed?  I've been laughing my ass off at
>>>>> the "looney  lefties"  including the New York Times going berserk over
>>>>> Sarah  Palin giving an  interview while turkeys were being processed in
>>>>>  the background.  For  someone supposedly headed for the "dustbin  of
>>>>> history", they sure pay a lot  of attention to her every  move.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> America's  math  problem yields no simple solutions
>>>>> Much of the blame rests  with government  spending
>>>>> By PAUL W. HOBBY
>>>>> Nov. 21, 2008,  8:11PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So America  can still amaze the  world.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the election of President-elect Barack  Obama a  blessed
>>>>> self-correction or radical over-correction for the  world's  greatest
>>>>> nation? We can't know just yet. But, no matter  how you voted, we  have
>>>>> to close ranks as a nation at this moment  in history, because  the
>>>>> tripod of American authority in the  world is dangerously  unstable.
>>>>>
>>>>> The tripod consists of  moral authority, economic authority  and
>>>>> military authority. For  reasons I need not detail, each of these  legs
>>>>> is stressed as  they haven't been in a very long while. In large  part
>>>>> whether we  succeed or fail in restoring our balance is about  simple
>>>>>  arithmetic. A serious math problem lurks in the shadows  that
>>>>>  heretofore neither party has been willing to address in a serious  
>>>>> way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Succinctly stated, the math problem is that the  federal  government
>>>>> spends too much — a lot too much. The current  deficit is a  record
>>>>> $455
>>>>> billion (before the bailout). The  national debt is $10.5  trillion.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason for the  inattention is that politics doesn't like  math
>>>>> problems.  Speeches are easier, symbols are safe and  personal
>>>>> criticisms  are the very best, because those things don't  require
>>>>> anything  of us, the people. They don't require introspection,  or
>>>>>  sacrifice or sober prioritization of needs and wants. But maybe,   if
>>>>> there is a moment for hard reality to emerge, it is at the end  of  a
>>>>> political season. Just as it took a Southerner in LBJ to  pass  civil
>>>>> rights reform, real spending reform may have to come  from a  Democrat
>>>>> (LBJ had a balanced budget in  1969).
>>>>>
>>>>> Math problems are  hard, but they undergird the  universe. You cannot
>>>>> outrun or outtalk or out  organize the math  problem any more than you
>>>>> can outtalk or outrun physical   gravity. This is a problem that
>>>>> threatens the strength of our  currency,  inhibits the government's
>>>>> ability to respond to the  current fiscal crisis,  and diverts precious
>>>>> dollars from  infrastructure, education and all forms  of long-term
>>>>> public  investment.
>>>>>
>>>>> How did we get here? You know the  answer at  some level. We are all
>>>>> guilty of wanting to consume now and pay   later. Politics is forever
>>>>> the struggle between today (current  services)  and tomorrow (education
>>>>> and physical infrastructure),  and today usually  gives tomorrow a
>>>>> solid
>>>>> whipping. For the  "values voter" the math problem  also has a moral
>>>>> dimension,  because the practice of shipping the tab for  our lifestyle
>>>>> to  our children and grandchildren is truly obscene.  Ironically, the
>>>>>  best news for rich folks is that we can't tax our way out  of a mess 
>>>>> of
>>>>> this proportion. In a global economy, high marginal tax rates   will
>>>>> cause capital and tax base to migrate elsewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Democrats  traditionally ignore the math problem. They just don't 
>>>>> turn
>>>>> in their  homework and figure that it will all be OK as long  as the
>>>>> tax
>>>>> code is  useful as a punitive device for administering  social justice
>>>>> rather than an  equitable means for funding  government. For their
>>>>> part,
>>>>> the Republicans  cheat on the math  problem. They talk about fiscal
>>>>> restraint and then spend  on  their contributors in a way that makes
>>>>> the
>>>>> drunkest of sailors  blush.  They say that if we reduce revenue enough
>>>>> we can  eventually balance the  budget. We have seen this "new" math
>>>>>  before when we were told that  supply-side economics would  magically
>>>>> erase the deficit problem. It is true  that tax cuts do  act as
>>>>> economic
>>>>> stimulus, but the temporary stimulus is   ultimately empty without
>>>>> spending restraint.
>>>>>
>>>>> Beyond  government  spending for a moment, the monetary new math said
>>>>>  that $2.5 trillion in  excess leverage (comparing the traditional
>>>>>  relationship of bank debt to  GDP) was OK because the risk had  been
>>>>> securitized through asset-lite  Enronomics, where the  markets parse
>>>>> derivative and speculative risk  intelligently, and  create wealth for
>>>>> the most efficient market participants  — in  the absence of any
>>>>> fundamental value creation in the underlying   economy. It wasn't OK,
>>>>>       
>>>>> and a lot of people are getting hurt who  never  bargained for the
>>>>> risks
>>>>> they now face.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our  approach to the public  sector over the last eight years has been
>>>>>  if you disparage government long  enough it will get better.  Clearly
>>>>> that hasn't worked. Obama thinks that  government is  important and
>>>>> that
>>>>> it can help people, but it can only do so  if  it is fiscally strong.
>>>>> His budget cuts, therefore, would spring from  a  different motivation.
>>>>> Will that be enough to make them  palatable? I don't  know, but I do
>>>>> know that the math problem  demands that he  try.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps the ultimate fiscal blunt  instrument, a balanced  budget
>>>>> amendment (with appropriate  exceptions for war or fiscal  emergency),
>>>>> may be the bad idea  whose time has come. Congress under both  parties
>>>>> has been unable  to discipline itself without it. Make no mistake, 
>>>>> this
>>>>>  mathematical exercise will be painful; all spending, not just  
>>>>> domestic
>>>>> discretionary spending, (38 percent of the total) must be  on  the
>>>>> table. The only spending that is truly nondiscretionary  is interest 
>>>>> on
>>>>> the national debt.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama is very  smart, and he gives a very good  speech. If he simply
>>>>> allows the  latter gift to overcome the former gift, we  may
>>>>> temporarily
>>>>>  restore some moral authority in the world, and at least the  folks 
>>>>> who
>>>>> hate us will have to come up with a whole new set of reasons  to  do
>>>>> so.
>>>>>
>>>>> But this won't last; the math problem will  ultimately impoverish  us,
>>>>> and beggars don't retain their moral  authority very long. Real  change
>>>>> demands that the political  conversation begins to track the  fiscal
>>>>> reality for the first  time in a long time.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I first met  Obama in June  2007, I found him, as millions of
>>>>> others have, to be a  special  person. Is he special enough to lead us
>>>>> into the math problem  with  the kind of aspirational tone that got him
>>>>> elected? I think  so.
>>>>>
>>>>> I  hope so.
>>>>>
>>>>> I pray  so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hobby is a Houston businessman with  extensive  experience in private
>>>>> and public finance.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On  Sun, Nov  23, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Andrew,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am sorry  about your loss of  being able to use credit to conduct
>>>>>> your
>>>>>>  business.  Actually, use  of credit has little to do with capitalism 
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> rather economics  Keynesianism and manipulated market  theory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Understand the  biggest single cause of  the current economic 'Bubble'
>>>>>> bursting was the  manipulation  of mortgage market by National
>>>>>> Democrats,
>>>>>> specifically  Sen.  Dodd of Connecticut and Barney Frank of
>>>>>> Massachusetts.
>>>>>> These  two  induced Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac to push mortgages 
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> historical  safeguards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Specifically they pushed giving mortgages without  sufficient down  
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> payments
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> to assist mortgage lenders in recovering from   default and pushed
>>>>>> giving
>>>>>> mortgages with balloon payments to those  who  would not be able to
>>>>>> meet 
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> the
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> ballooning payment.   Read the  information available and you will
>>>>>> find 
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> that
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> the  Bush administration  requested better oversight and stricter 
>>>>>> lending
>>>>>> requirement.   Those two National Democrats and  their associates
>>>>>> hindered 
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> or
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> stopped  better control.   That is a big part of the current credit  
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> crises.
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>>  This as Stan would say, according to Cindy Spitzer,  was a  'Bubble'. 
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> bursting of this bubble crippled the   historically reliable mortgage 
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> market
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> by making all mortgages  credit  suspect.  This included all the
>>>>>> packages 
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> of
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>>  credit made from  those mortgages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This has  'mortally' harmed the credit  industry.  This has harmed not  
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> only
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> getting credit but those who  historically have used it  to smooth
>>>>>> contact
>>>>>> payments out to pay  routine business  expenses. This harm caused by
>>>>>> Fanny
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>> Mae
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>>>> and Freddie   Mac will last 50 years or more.  Thank those in the U. 
>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>  Congress who wanted to use the credit industry to finance  social
>>>>>> aims.
>>>>>>  Thank you for supporting those  candidates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So how is above  this any different  from Obama's other 'Progressive 
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> Goals?'
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>>  Unfortunately, those  who understand economics understand the
>>>>>> problems  
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> that
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> an  Obama administration will have and cause.  Maybe the  stock market  
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> will
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> stabilize?  However, the harm inflicted on U.  S.  credit will linger.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am sorry that this will cause  you  great personal harm.  What were 
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> Warren
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> Buffett's  remarks the  other day about future inflation and
>>>>>> devaluation  
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> of
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> the U. S  dollar?  Thank Barney and Chris and fellow  travelers, and
>>>>>> your
>>>>>>  support of those policies and the  policies advocates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Elle  said, "Educators  haven't 'turned over' discipline; it has been 
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> ripped
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>>  out of  their control by laws and regulations and lawsuits."  Yes  
>>>>>> thank
>>>>>> plaintiff's attorneys for over zealous advocacy of minor  issues  and 
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> nominal
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> harms.  We have at least one of  those guys, on this  forum. 
>>>>>> Actually,
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> have several  but they lay low least they  hear about their 
>>>>>> activities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb said, "At the same time, if  we  as parents were more involved in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> educational process of  our  children, most of us would be surprised
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> exactly what  we can do.  However, in the relative vacuum of parental
>>>>>>  involvement, the  bureaucracies have thrived like a fungus, and we've  
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> ended
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> up where we  are now."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The  simple truth is not all parents have time to be  involved.  When 
>>>>>> both
>>>>>> parents work, as is needed in today's times  to make  ends meet, they
>>>>>> do 
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> not
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> have time to attend PTA and other   activities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Discipline was integral when I  attended  school.  It has been
>>>>>> hamstrung
>>>>>> by
>>>>>>  bureaucracies and sociopaths  and those wanting schools to develop  
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> socially
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> conscious  students.  Just read about the  themes advocated by Obama's 
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> friend
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>>  Bill Ayers.  He  disregards schools to build basic math and 
>>>>>> communication
>>>>>>  skills for social purposes. Yet, we have so many who  follow the 
>>>>>> sheep
>>>>>> herder…
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed   K
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  --
>>>>>> View this message  in context:
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>>>>>>             
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