[Rhodes22-list] Slim's response - non sailing, religious, etc.

[Ronald Lipton]

Well, I am back from my election hiatus.  I had always figured that as hot
as the
political debate got, at least the list was not debating religion - that
would be a
real morass. What do I see when I come back but discussion of
transubstantiation
and faith-based lifestyles.  Oh well.

Ron

2008/11/25 TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at gmail.com>

> Ed, Some need religion to determine right and wrong. Others do not. Why do
> you assume the only other option is Marist?  Different cultures have
> different views on what is proper. Religion guides these views in both
> positive and negative manners.
>
> For me the Bible is not a book about history but rather about philosophy
> and
> a study of how man rationalizes fear. Totem Poles worshipping the sun and
> moon are no different than a Rosary Bead. Both were invented to make man
> feel better about the unknown.
>
> Anyone paying attention to studies involving asteroids and the formation of
> amino acids? I don't have links handy but some interesting stuff. Some say
> it takes more faith to believe in evolution over Adam & Eve. I have faith
> in
> science.
>
> Fair Winds,
>
> Wally
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > Slim said, "Religion throughout all civilizations serve to answer three
> > questions:  Where did we
> > come from?  How shall we live?  What happens when we die?"
> >
> > Captain Alm, without religion where are humans supposed to get guidelines
> > on
> > the middle question you pose?
> >
> > Are they supposed to get them from the Marxist indoctrination proffered
> by
> > Mr. Bill Ayers?
> >
> > You forgot to delineate a suggested answer to your question.
> >
> > Consider that some religions have a couple of thousand years of
> experience,
> > trial and error, see what works with humans to answer that question.
> > Whereas, Marxism has a little over 100 years of experience with most of
> its
> > demonstrations disasters.  And disasters should be capitalized as having
> > been unmitigated disasters.  Which system has raised the overall standard
> > of
> > living in the world the most?  The answer is not a Marxist based system
> > which our new President represents.
> >
> > A capitalist system based on freedom with a sheriff enforcing standards
> of
> > honesty has helped mankind the most.  Rather than compulsory taking from
> > those who make the most efforts to achieve and giving to those who need,
> it
> > loosely achieves results by rewarding effort.  Those who achieve drag the
> > dregs and unable up by raising the overall standard of living.
> >
> > When you compel those who achieve or are able to achieve to maintain
> those
> > who want the same standard of living without the toil, it is a real
> > disincentive to the toil needed to achieve.
> >
> > This is illustrated by Ronald Reagan's story of the Red Hen.  This was
> > demonstrated in human terms in the old Soviet Union during the 1930's
> with
> > the event of history the Ukrainians call the "Holodomor (Ukrainian:
> > Голодомор)"  See some information about the results of government
> > compulsion:
> >
> > http://www.ukrainiangenocide.com/
> >
> > http://www.infoukes.com/history/famine/
> >
> > Understand that Marxism or socialism has as central purpose to replace
> the
> > human belief in God.  Remember Whittaker Chambers, a former Communists
> > Party
> > member who admonished, "The revolutionary heart of Marxism is a simple
> > conviction: It is necessary to change the world.  This conviction is the
> > "vision of man's mind displacing God as the creative intelligence of the
> > world. It is the vision of man's liberated mind, by the sole force of its
> > rational intelligence, redirecting man's destiny and reorganizing man's
> > life
> > and the world."
> >
> > So you really think that you are smarter than all those who came before
> > you?
> >
> > Ed K
> > Addendum:
> > Red Hen
> >
> > A modern day little red hen may not sound like or appear to be a quotable
> > authority on economics but then some authorities aren't worth quoting.
> >
> > About a year ago I imposed a little poetry on you. It was called "The
> > Incredible Bread Machine" and made a lot of sense with reference to
> matters
> > economic. You didn't object too much so having gotten away with it once
> I'm
> > going to try again. This is a little treatise on basic economics called
> > "The
> > Modern little Red Hen."
> >
> > Once upon a time there was a little red hen who scratched about the
> > barnyard
> > until she uncovered some grains of wheat. She called her neighbors and
> said
> > 'If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me
> plant
> > it?'
> >
> > "Not I, " said the cow.
> >
> > "Not I," said the duck.
> >
> > "Not I," said the pig.
> >
> > "Not I," said the goose.
> >
> > "Then I will," said the little red hen. And she did. The wheat grew tall
> > and
> > ripened into golden grain. "Who will help me reap my wheat?" asked the
> > little red hen.
> >
> > "Not I," said the duck.
> >
> > "Out of my classification," said the pig.
> >
> > "I'd lose my seniority," said the cow.
> >
> > "I'd lose my unemployment compensation," said the goose.
> >
> > "Then I will," said the little red hen, and she did.
> >
> > At last the time came to bake the bread. "Who will help me bake bread?"
> > asked the little red hen.
> >
> > "That would be overtime for me," said the cow.
> >
> > "I'd lose my welfare benefits," said the duck.
> >
> > "I'm a dropout and never learned how," said the pig.
> >
> > "If I'm to be the only helper, that's discrimination," said the goose.
> >
> > "Then I will," said the little red hen.
> >
> > She baked five loaves and held them up for the neighbors to see.
> >
> > They all wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share. But the little red
> hen
> > said, "No, I can eat the five loaves myself."
> >
> > "Excess profits," cried the cow.
> >
> > "Capitalist leech," screamed the duck.
> >
> > "I demand equal rights," yelled the goose.
> >
> > And the pig just grunted.
> >
> > And they painted "unfair" picket signs and marched round and around the
> > little red hen shouting obscenities.
> >
> > When the government agent came, he said to the little red hen, "You must
> > not
> > be greedy."
> >
> > "But I earned the bread," said the little red hen.
> >
> > "Exactly," said the agent. "That's the wonderful free enterprise system.
> > Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our modern
> > government regulations productive workers must divide their products with
> > the idle."
> >
> > And they lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who
> smiled
> > and clucked, "I am grateful, I am grateful." But her neighbors wondered
> why
> > she never again baked any more bread.
> >
> > From Ronald Reagan...  Reagan In His Own Voice (Audio book/download) ^ |
> > November 1976 | Ronald Reagan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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