[Rhodes22-list] Political question about Reply by Chris G

Chris Geankoplis napoli68 at charter.net
Mon Sep 1 19:10:55 EDT 2008


No more than you belive in selling human beings if there is a profit in it.
So much for typifying someone's position with extreme views. Or did I get it
right for you?
Chris
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 3:45 PM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Political question about Reply by Chris G


>
> Chris said, "Wealth creation is a driving force from your point of view,
it
> trumps all.  I disagree."
>
> So you admit that you believe an individual's work product belongs to the
> state?
>
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
> "Marx's concept of work - In the future communist society everyone will be
a
> worker: 'with labor emancipated every man becomes a working man, and
> productive labor ceases to be class attribute."
>
>
>
> Chris Geankoplis wrote:
> >
> > Ed,
> >     No need to lecture.  We have a fundalmental difference on a couple
of
> > issues.  Wealth creation is a driving force from your point of view, it
> > trumps all.  I disagree.  Don't assume because someone holds a different
> > view they are ignorant and unread.  No one has accused Brad of being
> > ignorant or unread (least wise as I recall).  The fundalmental
difference
> > is
> > I shall never convince you of what I consider just and a priority, nor
> > will
> > you convince me, no matter how blustery and agressive your approach is.
> > Is
> > there some movement possible? Yes, but not on the basic principles that
we
> > disagree on.
> >
> > So when are you going sailing?
> > Most respectfully Yours,
> >
> >
> > Chris G
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 4:50 AM
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Political Re ply to Captain Ed
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Chris said, "So let’s focus on the actual issues … the growing gap
> >> between
> >> rich and poor."  That line is a façade of Marxism.  Who are these
alleged
> >> rich?  An analysis of the richest 100 people in USA will show that 90
of
> >> them made their money by themselves and did not inherit it.  How did
they
> > do
> >> that?
> >>
> >> The answer was that it was initiative and opportunity.  Not all with
> >> initiative make it, it takes luck, being in the right place at the
right
> >> time.  So, you are jealous that you did not have the initiative and
luck
> > to
> >> start Microsoft?
> >>
> >> Let us take the case of that liberal billionaire from your part of the
> >> country.  You know Bill.  Started small and had the right concepts and
> >> products just as micro computers became available.  He was in right
place
> >> with good idea.  Did he inherit the wealth of the company that he led?
> >>
> >> What happened during the inception and growth of Microsoft?  He made
lots
> > of
> >> money.  But so did several dozen of those who started with him when it
> >> was
> > a
> >> very small operation.  And how about all those poor workers who have
been
> >> working for Microsoft for 30 years?  Are those the poor you are talking
> >> about?  Are they the increasing gap, they sure did not make as much
money
> > as
> >> Bill did.  You are right about that.
> >>
> >> Now compare the city of workers who collect the garbage in every city
of
> >> USA.  Are they the poor you are taking about?  Do they have reasonable
> >> housing?  How many have a car?  Compare them with Obama’s brother in
> > Nairobi
> >> whose home is a mud hut with thatched roof.   Which poor are you
fussing
> >> about?  Are you saying that you do not own an island in the south
> >> Pacific?
> >>
> >> You really expect that by giving all sorts of benefits to all that you
> > will
> >> really make the standard of living higher for all?  The facts show that
> >> is
> >> not what happens. Have you ever studied any economics and how to
> > distinguish
> >> feudalism, tribal societies, socialism, and capitalism?  Which of those
> >> economic systems created the most wealth and raised the overall
standard
> > of
> >> living for the largest number?  The truth is that it is not socialism,
> >> progressivism nor communism.
> >>
> >> As a teacher, you have a duty to understand the truth.  Ask Brad for
the
> >> titles of a couple of good books that explain what system of economics
> >> America was founded on.  Go back and read the Federalist Papers and
some
> >> biographies of those who wrote the U. S. Constitution.  Understand and
> >> appreciate what they gave us.
> >>
> >> Without an understanding of what we have and what it accomplished, all
> >> the
> >> calls for change may simply destroy a system that was instrumental in
> > giving
> >> mankind the greatest advancement in standard of living ever.  Calling
for
> > a
> >> Marxist system is like putting a knife in the heart of Bill Gates and
> > others
> >> like him.
> >>
> >> Ed K
> >> Greenville, SC, USA
> >> Addendum:  "Facts are stubborn things.  Facts are used to sort out the
> > truth
> >> from fiction, to rise above bias and prejudice to reach a just
> > result.""Take
> >> inspiration from those people who risked all they had for the nation we
> > are
> >> blessed to call home today."  Jeffery O. Bramlett
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Chris,
> >> >
> >> > The economy - suffering from the real estate and mortgage silliness
> >> > but not a recession yet, exports saving the decline in GDP for now.
> >> >
> >> > War - Iraq winding down - the Iraqi's want us out (and we want out).
> >> > NATO petering out in Afghanistan (NATO petering out in Georgia), UN
> >> > non-existent, tough terrain, tough people, nuclear Pakistan.  Tough
> >> > situation 7 years later.  Radical Muslims still looking for a way to
> >> > kill us.  The war goes on.
> >> >
> >> > Taxes -  Tax revenue is up because of a cut in the capital gains tax
> >> > and increased investment in the economy.
> >> >
> >> > Between what rich and what poor are we talking about.  The World?
The
> >> > poor are gaining - did you watch the Olympics?  US economy?  We may
be
> >> > the only nation on the planet where the poor owns a color TV,
> >> > air-conditioning, and two cars.  And, they are fat.
> >> >
> >> > And how would you like to focus on these issues, especially the
> >> > economic ones?  Trot out a few more failed economic theories or
follow
> >> > China's path - ditch the Marxist bullshit and try a little old
> >> > fashioned capitalism?
> >> >
> >> > Brad
> >> >
> >> > On 8/31/08, Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net> wrote:
> >> >> Thanks Tootle,
> >> >>                     We both agree that there are a lot of people who
> > have
> >> >>  made mistakes and have gone on to lead better lives, so lets focus
on
> >> >> the
> >> >>  actual issues, the economy, the war, taxes, the growing gap between
> > rich
> >> >> and
> >> >>  poor.  These are where we need to focus.
> >> >>
> >> >>  Chris G
> >> >>  ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>  From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
> >> >>  To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >>  Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 4:18 PM
> >> >>  Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re ply to Captain Chris G.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>  >
> >> >>  > Chris G said, "Boy I gotta agree, any of those cheating husbands
> >> and
> >> >>  > philanderers should be barred from making speeches at the
> > convention.
> >> >> Of
> >> >>  > course that would include John McCain after what he did to his
wife
> >> >> and
> >> >>  two
> >> >>  > kids after he came back. Got a new undamaged model with lots of
> > money,
> >> >>  > prenup or not.  Does it matter?  Careful there are lots of glass
> >> >> houses.
> >> >>  > Should we bar those who have killed a person in a car accident
that
> >> >> they
> >> >>  > caused?  Ok that keeps out Ted Kennedy, but also Laura Bush.
> >> Should
> >> >> we
> >> >>  bar
> >> >>  > someone who stole drugs (in one case from a non-profit set up to
> > help
> >> >> war
> >> >>  > victims), and forged
> >> >>  > prescriptions well I guess that would shut up Mrs. McCain and
Rush
> >> >>  Limbaugh.
> >> >>  > Tootle, help me out, to be fair and balanced I need a drug
thieving
> >> >>  democrat
> >> >>  > to balance this out. Oh I know Marion Berry should do."
> >> >>  >
> >> >>  > Responses as follows:
> >> >>  >
> >> >>  > As to John McCain - after how many years in a North Viet Nam
> > prison? -
> >> >> He
> >> >>  > had adjustment problems when he came back.  How much time did you
> >> >> spend in
> >> >>  > the Hanoi Hilton?  He later realized he screwed up and admits it.
> > Too
> >> >>  late,
> >> >>  > but after some time he came around and has since lead a better
> >> life,
> >> >> other
> >> >>  > wise he would not be where he is.
> >> >>  >
> >> >>  > As to Ted Kennedy, I have always believed that he was drunk.
> > However,
> >> >> the
> >> >>  > lady was in the back seat was in the same state.  Alcohol
> > consumption
> >> >> is
> >> >>  not
> >> >>  > a legal excuse for killing another or is it Ben C?
> >> >>  >
> >> >>  > As to Laura Bush at 17, poor driving skills kill many teenagers.
> >> Is
> >> >> that
> >> >>  > not the reason that age group has the highest insurance rates?
Are
> >> >> you
> >> >>  > telling us that your judgment and driving skills have not changed
> >> >> since
> >> >>  you
> >> >>  > were 17?
> >> >>  >
> >> >>  > As to drug addition and subsequently forging prescriptions, the
> >> >> medication
> >> >>  > that Rush became addicted to was a problem that the drug company
> >> did
> >> >> not
> >> >>  > correctly monitor and once the problem was known, physicians
failed
> > to
> >> >>  > follow up for addition.  Initially the drug was proscribed
> > correctly,
> >> >> but
> >> >>  > the prescribing doctor did not follow up making sure that no
> > addition
> >> >>  > occurred.
> >> >>  >
> >> >>  > Once you are addicted, you the person is no longer in control.
> >> Have
> >> >> you
> >> >>  > never dealt with alcoholics?  If not, never ever again, give a
> >> >> recovered
> >> >>  > alcoholic 100% trust.
> >> >>  >
> >> >>  > There is a big problem in America with prescription drugs.  Often
> >> >> doctors
> >> >>  > are getting kickbacks from the drug companies and so are more
> > willing
> >> >> to
> >> >>  > prescribe feel good drugs when they should not.  Yes this is
partly
> >> >> the
> >> >>  > patients fault for asking for such drugs, but again, once there
is
> >> >>  addition.
> >> >>  >
> >> >>  > The points that you raised are fair to raise and be addressed but
> > they
> >> >> are
> >> >>  > distinguishable from a lawyer, who as part of bar qualifying has
> >> >> specific
> >> >>  > ethics training from committing perjury.   I have said that his
> >> >>  philandering
> >> >>  > is one thing, but his committing perjury is a whole different
> > matter.
> >> >> And
> >> >>  > as Ben C said he was suspended for five years for doing it.  The
> >> >> Arkansas
> >> >>  > Bar said even a former President needed his ____ slapped for
doing
> > it.
> >> >>  >
> >> >>  > So I have partially addressed your comments.
> >> >>  >
> >> >>  > Ed K
> >> >>  > Greenville, SC, USA
> >> >>  > attachment:
> >> >>  >
> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p19247108/Chris%2BG%2527s%2BReasoning.jpg
> >> >>  > Chris+G%27s+Reasoning.jpg
> >> >>  > --
> >> >>  > View this message in context:
> >> >>
> > http://www.nabble.com/Reply-to-Captain-Chris-G.-tp19247108p19247108.html
> >> >>  > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >> >>  >
> >> >>  > __________________________________________________
> >> >>  > To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list
go
> > to
> >> >>  http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> >>  > __________________________________________________
> >> >>  >
> >> >>
> >> >>  __________________________________________________
> >> >>  To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go
> >> to
> >> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> >>  __________________________________________________
> >> >>
> >> > __________________________________________________
> >> > To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go
to
> >> > http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> > __________________________________________________
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> View this message in context:
> > http://www.nabble.com/Reply-to-Captain-Chris-G.-tp19247108p19253415.html
> >> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>
> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> >
>
> -- 
> View this message in context:
http://www.nabble.com/Reply-to-Captain-Chris-G.-tp19247108p19261762.html
> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to
http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>



More information about the Rhodes22-list mailing list