[Rhodes22-list] Political Re ply to Captain Ed
Brad Haslett
flybrad at gmail.com
Mon Sep 1 19:08:14 EDT 2008
Nope. The citizens don't own guns.
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net> wrote:
> Thanks Brad,
> And though as you have said "Fairness" has a long way to
> go in China the whole atmosphere is rapidly changing. The collapse of the
> Soviet Union came as a surprise, anything like that on the horizon for
> China?
> Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 3:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political Re ply to Captain Ed
>
>
>> Chris,
>>
>> You hit on an important point. The problem with a one party system is
>> that even when you make the shift from a centrally planned economy to
>> capitalism, those with connections to the party hold the means to
>> production. That worked for awhile but the military and party owned
>> factories eventually had to compete with foreign goods and foreign
>> manufacturers that set-up shop in China. It didn't take long for
>> consumers to discover that a Shanghai Buick or Beijing Jeep was ten
>> times better than other domestic cars. It has taken twenty years to
>> happen, but to answer your question, yes, it's a level playing field
>> and it's highly competitive. Many of the former army factories have
>> shut down because they couldn't compete domestically and they sure
>> couldn't compete in the export market. My sister-in-law (an accounting
>> professional with an MBA from Fordham) still advises against making
>> direct personal investments in Chinese companies because they're
>> behind on accounting issues. Investing in Chinese companies listed on
>> the NYSE, like many of the airlines, is a different issue (note,
>> never, ever, ever invest in a passenger airline). Based on the
>> Chinese experiment, the benefits of capitalism to the population are
>> immediate. The "fairness" issues of the market take a couple of
>> decades or more to work out. The former states of the Soviet Union
>> are following the same pattern with those states having competing
>> political parties making progress a little faster.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net>
> wrote:
>> > Nice summation Brad, Just don't agree on the Rosey tinted glasses view.
> But
>> > you are right on about dumping communisim for a more free market. Just
>> > curious I understand that the Army is making a go at factories and
>> > production of non military stuff. How "free" are they to compete and
> and is
>> > it a level playing field. Inquiring minds are curious.
>> >
>> > Chris G
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
>> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:12 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political Re ply to Captain Ed
>> >
>> >
>> >> Chris,
>> >>
>> >> The economy - suffering from the real estate and mortgage silliness
>> >> but not a recession yet, exports saving the decline in GDP for now.
>> >>
>> >> War - Iraq winding down - the Iraqi's want us out (and we want out).
>> >> NATO petering out in Afghanistan (NATO petering out in Georgia), UN
>> >> non-existent, tough terrain, tough people, nuclear Pakistan. Tough
>> >> situation 7 years later. Radical Muslims still looking for a way to
>> >> kill us. The war goes on.
>> >>
>> >> Taxes - Tax revenue is up because of a cut in the capital gains tax
>> >> and increased investment in the economy.
>> >>
>> >> Between what rich and what poor are we talking about. The World? The
>> >> poor are gaining - did you watch the Olympics? US economy? We may be
>> >> the only nation on the planet where the poor owns a color TV,
>> >> air-conditioning, and two cars. And, they are fat.
>> >>
>> >> And how would you like to focus on these issues, especially the
>> >> economic ones? Trot out a few more failed economic theories or follow
>> >> China's path - ditch the Marxist bullshit and try a little old
>> >> fashioned capitalism?
>> >>
>> >> Brad
>> >>
>> >> On 8/31/08, Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net> wrote:
>> >> > Thanks Tootle,
>> >> > We both agree that there are a lot of people who
>> > have
>> >> > made mistakes and have gone on to lead better lives, so lets focus
> on
>> > the
>> >> > actual issues, the economy, the war, taxes, the growing gap between
>> > rich and
>> >> > poor. These are where we need to focus.
>> >> >
>> >> > Chris G
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>> >> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 4:18 PM
>> >> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re ply to Captain Chris G.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Chris G said, "Boy I gotta agree, any of those cheating husbands
> and
>> >> > > philanderers should be barred from making speeches at the
> convention.
>> > Of
>> >> > > course that would include John McCain after what he did to his
> wife
>> > and
>> >> > two
>> >> > > kids after he came back. Got a new undamaged model with lots of
>> > money,
>> >> > > prenup or not. Does it matter? Careful there are lots of glass
>> > houses.
>> >> > > Should we bar those who have killed a person in a car accident
> that
>> > they
>> >> > > caused? Ok that keeps out Ted Kennedy, but also Laura Bush.
> Should
>> > we
>> >> > bar
>> >> > > someone who stole drugs (in one case from a non-profit set up to
> help
>> > war
>> >> > > victims), and forged
>> >> > > prescriptions well I guess that would shut up Mrs. McCain and Rush
>> >> > Limbaugh.
>> >> > > Tootle, help me out, to be fair and balanced I need a drug
> thieving
>> >> > democrat
>> >> > > to balance this out. Oh I know Marion Berry should do."
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Responses as follows:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > As to John McCain - after how many years in a North Viet Nam
>> > prison? - He
>> >> > > had adjustment problems when he came back. How much time did you
>> > spend in
>> >> > > the Hanoi Hilton? He later realized he screwed up and admits it.
>> > Too
>> >> > late,
>> >> > > but after some time he came around and has since lead a better
> life,
>> > other
>> >> > > wise he would not be where he is.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > As to Ted Kennedy, I have always believed that he was drunk.
>> > However, the
>> >> > > lady was in the back seat was in the same state. Alcohol
> consumption
>> > is
>> >> > not
>> >> > > a legal excuse for killing another or is it Ben C?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > As to Laura Bush at 17, poor driving skills kill many teenagers.
> Is
>> > that
>> >> > > not the reason that age group has the highest insurance rates?
> Are
>> > you
>> >> > > telling us that your judgment and driving skills have not changed
>> > since
>> >> > you
>> >> > > were 17?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > As to drug addition and subsequently forging prescriptions, the
>> > medication
>> >> > > that Rush became addicted to was a problem that the drug company
> did
>> > not
>> >> > > correctly monitor and once the problem was known, physicians
> failed
>> > to
>> >> > > follow up for addition. Initially the drug was proscribed
> correctly,
>> > but
>> >> > > the prescribing doctor did not follow up making sure that no
> addition
>> >> > > occurred.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Once you are addicted, you the person is no longer in control.
> Have
>> > you
>> >> > > never dealt with alcoholics? If not, never ever again, give a
>> > recovered
>> >> > > alcoholic 100% trust.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > There is a big problem in America with prescription drugs. Often
>> > doctors
>> >> > > are getting kickbacks from the drug companies and so are more
> willing
>> > to
>> >> > > prescribe feel good drugs when they should not. Yes this is
> partly
>> > the
>> >> > > patients fault for asking for such drugs, but again, once there is
>> >> > addition.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The points that you raised are fair to raise and be addressed but
>> > they are
>> >> > > distinguishable from a lawyer, who as part of bar qualifying has
>> > specific
>> >> > > ethics training from committing perjury. I have said that his
>> >> > philandering
>> >> > > is one thing, but his committing perjury is a whole different
> matter.
>> > And
>> >> > > as Ben C said he was suspended for five years for doing it. The
>> > Arkansas
>> >> > > Bar said even a former President needed his ____ slapped for doing
>> > it.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > So I have partially addressed your comments.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Ed K
>> >> > > Greenville, SC, USA
>> >> > > attachment:
>> >> > >
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p19247108/Chris%2BG%2527s%2BReasoning.jpg
>> >> > > Chris+G%27s+Reasoning.jpg
>> >> > > --
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