[Rhodes22-list] Political Re ply to Captain Ed

Chris Geankoplis napoli68 at charter.net
Mon Sep 1 18:25:58 EDT 2008


Thanks Brad,
                    And though as you have said "Fairness" has a long way to
go in China the whole atmosphere is rapidly changing. The collapse of the
Soviet Union came as a surprise, anything like that on the horizon for
China?
Chris
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political Re ply to Captain Ed


> Chris,
>
> You hit on an important point.  The problem with a one party system is
> that even when you make the shift from a centrally planned economy to
> capitalism, those with connections to the party hold the means to
> production. That worked for awhile but the military and party owned
> factories eventually had to compete with foreign goods and foreign
> manufacturers that set-up shop in China. It didn't take long for
> consumers to discover that a Shanghai Buick or Beijing Jeep was ten
> times better than other domestic cars. It has taken twenty years to
> happen, but to answer your question, yes, it's a level playing field
> and it's highly competitive.  Many of the former army factories have
> shut down because they couldn't compete domestically and they sure
> couldn't compete in the export market. My sister-in-law (an accounting
> professional with an MBA from Fordham) still advises against making
> direct personal investments in Chinese companies because they're
> behind on accounting issues.  Investing in Chinese companies listed on
> the NYSE, like many of the airlines, is a different issue (note,
> never, ever, ever invest in a passenger airline).  Based on the
> Chinese experiment, the benefits of capitalism to the population are
> immediate.  The "fairness" issues of the market take a couple of
> decades or more to work out.  The former states of the Soviet Union
> are following the same pattern with those states having competing
> political parties making progress a little faster.
>
> Brad
>
> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net>
wrote:
> > Nice summation Brad, Just don't agree on the Rosey tinted glasses view.
But
> > you are right on about dumping communisim for a more free market.  Just
> > curious I understand that the Army is making a go at factories and
> > production of non military stuff.  How "free" are they to compete and
and is
> > it a level playing field.  Inquiring minds are curious.
> >
> > Chris G
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political Re ply to Captain Ed
> >
> >
> >> Chris,
> >>
> >> The economy - suffering from the real estate and mortgage silliness
> >> but not a recession yet, exports saving the decline in GDP for now.
> >>
> >> War - Iraq winding down - the Iraqi's want us out (and we want out).
> >> NATO petering out in Afghanistan (NATO petering out in Georgia), UN
> >> non-existent, tough terrain, tough people, nuclear Pakistan.  Tough
> >> situation 7 years later.  Radical Muslims still looking for a way to
> >> kill us.  The war goes on.
> >>
> >> Taxes -  Tax revenue is up because of a cut in the capital gains tax
> >> and increased investment in the economy.
> >>
> >> Between what rich and what poor are we talking about.  The World?  The
> >> poor are gaining - did you watch the Olympics?  US economy?  We may be
> >> the only nation on the planet where the poor owns a color TV,
> >> air-conditioning, and two cars.  And, they are fat.
> >>
> >> And how would you like to focus on these issues, especially the
> >> economic ones?  Trot out a few more failed economic theories or follow
> >> China's path - ditch the Marxist bullshit and try a little old
> >> fashioned capitalism?
> >>
> >> Brad
> >>
> >> On 8/31/08, Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net> wrote:
> >> > Thanks Tootle,
> >> >                     We both agree that there are a lot of people who
> > have
> >> >  made mistakes and have gone on to lead better lives, so lets focus
on
> > the
> >> >  actual issues, the economy, the war, taxes, the growing gap between
> > rich and
> >> >  poor.  These are where we need to focus.
> >> >
> >> >  Chris G
> >> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >> >  From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
> >> >  To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >  Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 4:18 PM
> >> >  Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re ply to Captain Chris G.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >  >
> >> >  > Chris G said, "Boy I gotta agree, any of those cheating husbands
and
> >> >  > philanderers should be barred from making speeches at the
convention.
> > Of
> >> >  > course that would include John McCain after what he did to his
wife
> > and
> >> >  two
> >> >  > kids after he came back. Got a new undamaged model with lots of
> > money,
> >> >  > prenup or not.  Does it matter?  Careful there are lots of glass
> > houses.
> >> >  > Should we bar those who have killed a person in a car accident
that
> > they
> >> >  > caused?  Ok that keeps out Ted Kennedy, but also Laura Bush.
Should
> > we
> >> >  bar
> >> >  > someone who stole drugs (in one case from a non-profit set up to
help
> > war
> >> >  > victims), and forged
> >> >  > prescriptions well I guess that would shut up Mrs. McCain and Rush
> >> >  Limbaugh.
> >> >  > Tootle, help me out, to be fair and balanced I need a drug
thieving
> >> >  democrat
> >> >  > to balance this out. Oh I know Marion Berry should do."
> >> >  >
> >> >  > Responses as follows:
> >> >  >
> >> >  > As to John McCain - after how many years in a North Viet Nam
> > prison? - He
> >> >  > had adjustment problems when he came back.  How much time did you
> > spend in
> >> >  > the Hanoi Hilton?  He later realized he screwed up and admits it.
> > Too
> >> >  late,
> >> >  > but after some time he came around and has since lead a better
life,
> > other
> >> >  > wise he would not be where he is.
> >> >  >
> >> >  > As to Ted Kennedy, I have always believed that he was drunk.
> > However, the
> >> >  > lady was in the back seat was in the same state.  Alcohol
consumption
> > is
> >> >  not
> >> >  > a legal excuse for killing another or is it Ben C?
> >> >  >
> >> >  > As to Laura Bush at 17, poor driving skills kill many teenagers.
Is
> > that
> >> >  > not the reason that age group has the highest insurance rates?
Are
> > you
> >> >  > telling us that your judgment and driving skills have not changed
> > since
> >> >  you
> >> >  > were 17?
> >> >  >
> >> >  > As to drug addition and subsequently forging prescriptions, the
> > medication
> >> >  > that Rush became addicted to was a problem that the drug company
did
> > not
> >> >  > correctly monitor and once the problem was known, physicians
failed
> > to
> >> >  > follow up for addition.  Initially the drug was proscribed
correctly,
> > but
> >> >  > the prescribing doctor did not follow up making sure that no
addition
> >> >  > occurred.
> >> >  >
> >> >  > Once you are addicted, you the person is no longer in control.
Have
> > you
> >> >  > never dealt with alcoholics?  If not, never ever again, give a
> > recovered
> >> >  > alcoholic 100% trust.
> >> >  >
> >> >  > There is a big problem in America with prescription drugs.  Often
> > doctors
> >> >  > are getting kickbacks from the drug companies and so are more
willing
> > to
> >> >  > prescribe feel good drugs when they should not.  Yes this is
partly
> > the
> >> >  > patients fault for asking for such drugs, but again, once there is
> >> >  addition.
> >> >  >
> >> >  > The points that you raised are fair to raise and be addressed but
> > they are
> >> >  > distinguishable from a lawyer, who as part of bar qualifying has
> > specific
> >> >  > ethics training from committing perjury.   I have said that his
> >> >  philandering
> >> >  > is one thing, but his committing perjury is a whole different
matter.
> > And
> >> >  > as Ben C said he was suspended for five years for doing it.  The
> > Arkansas
> >> >  > Bar said even a former President needed his ____ slapped for doing
> > it.
> >> >  >
> >> >  > So I have partially addressed your comments.
> >> >  >
> >> >  > Ed K
> >> >  > Greenville, SC, USA
> >> >  > attachment:
> >> >  >
http://www.nabble.com/file/p19247108/Chris%2BG%2527s%2BReasoning.jpg
> >> >  > Chris+G%27s+Reasoning.jpg
> >> >  > --
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