[Rhodes22-list] A Case for Obama; Calm Yourself Tootle

[Herb Parsons]

On behalf of all the right-leaning folks on the list, I'm somewhat 
tempted to humbly apologize for not letting opposing views go 
unchallenged. I realize that would be lefty nirvana - being able to 
misstate the views of others without challenge. Somehow, I'm able to 
overcome that temptation.

fcrawford0707 at aol.com wrote:
>  Ben - I think you have stated the issues very well? - and without insult to those who hammer you every time you try to put in a word of rationality.? I will say that Tootle, Brad and Herb win the intensity war.? Nothing anyone can say goes unchallenged, usually within a couple of minutes. ? As a "moderate" ( TR) Republican ( believer in free enterprise and individual freedoms and environmentalism) all my life, I am hard-pressed to find any remnants of the GOP that I joined 45 years ago. ? The Fannie/ Freddy takeover and its cost to us taxpayers is the latest failure of the Bush administration to put the people of the United states ahead of big finance / big oil / big ag? / and earmarks for Alaska.
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> From: Ben Cittadino <bigben65 at earthlink.net>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Sent: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:02 am
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Case for Obama; Calm Yourself Tootle
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> My Dear Culture Warriors;
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> So....are we having fun yet?
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> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping up to join the "Assault 
> on the Citadel".  
> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's fire is spread out among 
> more than one target.
> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe" Stillwell, "illegitimi non 
> carborundum".
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> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up.  I posted about Obama only 
> because I saw Tootle's post that 
> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a marxist, or a farm animal.  What 
> did he expect when he said that?
> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer to some of his fellow 
> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or McCain 
> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate policy and don't engage in 
> mere name-calling this "sailor's bar"  could be an interesting place.
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> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several grounds. First, he was 
> provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as Tootle did is several 
> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the 
> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
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> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some people support Obama were 
> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted), 
> not an argument supporting any position.  For example, Herb, you are pro-life 
> and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in part for that reason.
> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and so I will support 
> Obama/Biden in part for that reason.  It is not hyperbole to  point out
> the policy differences that explain my choice.  What I know for sure is that 
> marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with it. I have thought about all of 
> my positions on the issues I mentioned and am completely prepared to explain and 
> justify them.  In Brad's oft' repeated mantra I know I have "done my homework".
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> Enough for today. The games will be on soon. 
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> Cheers!
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> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
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