[Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans are going to save us from the Republicans

Mon Sep 8 14:22:19 EDT 2008

On the topic of religion, please read "A Letter To A Cristian Nation" by Sam
Harris.
It should be required reading for anyone who discusses religion.
Slim

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:

> "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious beliefs."
>
> Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical thinkers.  Palin is
> obviously not.  I wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic or a Lutheran but
> here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole scientific community and
> deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the heavens and earth are
> only a few thousand years old.  You didn't just call ME an extremist, did
> you?
>
> Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his parishioners should
> pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end of the world,
> folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
>
> I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.
>
> Slim
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of separating her
>> personal beliefs from her duties."
>>
>> Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious beliefs.
>>> She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of separating her
>>> personal beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that would have
>>> denied benefits to gay couples.
>>>
>>> But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or make up)
>>> SOMETHING on her.
>>>
>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>> > She's a creationist.  Her Assembly of God stuff is a deal breaker for
>>> me.
>>> > Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
>>> >
>>> > The most important legacy the president leaves is the appointment of
>>> the
>>> > supreme court.
>>> > The next pres might appoint as many as three.  If Sarabaracuda has her
>>> way,
>>> > say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat hanger
>>>  abortions.
>>> >
>>> > Slim
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> I think it's funny that the candidate that was considered as a running
>>> >> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is now being touted
>>> as
>>> >> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may find something
>>> that
>>> >> works.
>>> >>
>>> >> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact that's she
>>> >> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
>>> >>
>>> >> petelargo wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed, there is no
>>> dialogue
>>> >>>
>>> >> with
>>> >>
>>> >>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of discussion and your
>>> an
>>> >>> idiot to boot.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears overseas. At the
>>> >>>
>>> >> RNC,
>>> >>
>>> >>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They know it's a failed
>>> >>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again, they are trying
>>> to
>>> >>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather than an issues
>>> >>>
>>> >> discussion.
>>> >>
>>> >>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA", McCain is now the
>>> >>>
>>> >> change
>>> >>
>>> >>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible corruption in
>>> >>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has re-defined a
>>> whole
>>> >>>
>>> >> new
>>> >>
>>> >>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues within the last
>>> eight
>>> >>> years including his own authored bill that he was for and now
>>> against.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument of Palin vs
>>> Obama.
>>> >>>
>>> >> It's
>>> >>
>>> >>> a waste of time.  The entire Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove, etc
>>> >>> administration could be argued to be the most experienced
>>> administration
>>> >>>
>>> >> in
>>> >>
>>> >>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of prior "executive
>>> >>> experience".  For the first time in recent politics the Republicans
>>> had
>>> >>>
>>> >> the
>>> >>
>>> >>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate. How was it for
>>> you?
>>> >>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our butts, but when they
>>> >>>
>>> >> start
>>> >>
>>> >>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's really gone too
>>> far.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead, the twisting
>>> >>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that did not attack us,
>>> the
>>> >>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the shredding of the
>>> >>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have another religious kook
>>> to
>>> >>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist religious right to
>>> 'bridge'
>>> >>> them into this administration and get money.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and kissing chinese ass
>>> >>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive government on
>>> the
>>> >>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these extremists
>>> actually
>>> >>>
>>> >> think
>>> >>
>>> >>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of conservatism?  The
>>> two
>>> >>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government and government
>>> >>>
>>> >> intrusion
>>> >>
>>> >>> and fiscal responsibility.  The only administration that walked that
>>> talk
>>> >>>
>>> >> in
>>> >>
>>> >>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion dollar surplus.
>>> He
>>> >>>
>>> >> blew
>>> >>
>>> >>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11.  And there is no
>>> greater
>>> >>> government intrusion that being told what you can or cannot do with
>>> or
>>> >>>
>>> >> put
>>> >>
>>> >>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family decisions, but she
>>> >>>
>>> >> wants
>>> >>
>>> >>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours. No thanks.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> So....are we having fun yet?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping up to join
>>> the
>>> >>>> "Assault on the Citadel".
>>> >>>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's fire is spread
>>> out
>>> >>>> among more than one target.
>>> >>>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe" Stillwell,
>>> "illegitimi
>>> >>>> non carborundum".
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up.  I posted about
>>> >>>>
>>> >> Obama
>>> >>
>>> >>>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
>>> >>>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a marxist, or a farm
>>> >>>>
>>> >> animal.
>>> >>
>>> >>>> What did he expect when he said that?
>>> >>>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer to some of his
>>> >>>>
>>> >> fellow
>>> >>
>>> >>>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or McCain
>>> >>>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate policy and don't
>>> >>>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar"  could be an
>>> interesting
>>> >>>> place.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several grounds. First,
>>> he
>>> >>>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
>>> >>>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as Tootle did is
>>> >>>>
>>> >> several
>>> >>
>>> >>>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
>>> >>>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some people support
>>> Obama
>>> >>>>
>>> >> were
>>> >>
>>> >>>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
>>> >>>> not an argument supporting any position.  For example, Herb, you are
>>> >>>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in part for that
>>> >>>>
>>> >> reason.
>>> >>
>>> >>>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and so I will
>>> support
>>> >>>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason.  It is not hyperbole to  point
>>> out
>>> >>>> the policy differences that explain my choice.  What I know for sure
>>> is
>>> >>>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with it. I have
>>> thought
>>> >>>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned and am
>>> completely
>>> >>>> prepared to explain and justify them.  In Brad's oft' repeated
>>> mantra I
>>> >>>> know I have "done my homework".
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Cheers!
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
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