[Rhodes22-list] anchoring: Pete & Ed

Mon Sep 15 11:24:47 EDT 2008

$400 for the "cheaper" anchor!  Sheesh, I've been in the wrong business!!

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

From: "elle" <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:16 
AM
> Ed,
> those are Rocna or Manson (cheaper) anchors.....Rocna 22# (for boats 
> 23'-36') is only @ $400...;^)...the equivalent 25# CQR for boats 16'-32' 
> is $559....
>
> The 22# Delta for boats 25'-41' is @ $175....
>
>
>
> HI, Pete,
>
> Thanks for the thorough, as usual, reply.
>
> At our local "got-one-of -everything- somewhere-" marine  guy I have 
> located a  25 # CQR for $225...and a slightly smaller Delta (he thinks @ 
> 22 lb) for $50....Acc'd to the West catalog, either would work in this 
> type of bottom....I see I did not mention earlier that there is wonderful 
> mud under the leaves on the creek.....
>
> My neighbor on the dock w/ the 37' Gulfstar uses the Bahamian 
> technique...with the one center cleat on my Rhodes there is still the 
> problem of the furling mechanism....
>
> Is the bow eye backed sufficiently to allow it to be used as the 
> attachment point?? Then the boat could ride into the wind....If it is not 
> 'bow-to-wind' (cleated around the bow pulpit w/chafe protection) I think 
> the strain on the anchor could be greater than anticipated. 
> (Understanding I will use @15' of chain also)..
>
> elle
>
>
>
> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>
> 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)
>
>
> --- On Mon, 9/15/08, Peter Thorn <pthorn at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Peter Thorn <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] anchoring
>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 9:08 AM
>> elle,
>>
>> Broad Creek in New Bern, where Blackbeard is located, is
>> the best hurricane
>> hole for miles around.   When a surge is expected and boats
>> must leave their
>> docks, everybody around there seems to head for Broad
>> Creek.   It's about 15
>> feet of water, then 10' of mud/muck bottom river bottom
>> and then hard clay
>> underneath, according to borings made for the seawall
>> engineering design at
>> our club.
>>
>> If a storm passes close by, the wind direction can shift
>> greatly during the
>> storm.  This adds a different challenge to anchoring.  Some
>> anchors are very
>> good at setting, like Delta plow, others are very good at
>> holding in mud,
>> like the Fortress with the 45 degree fluke settings.  But,
>> if broken loose
>> during a storm while the wind direction is changing, a
>> Fortress will more
>> easily drag and is more difficult to reset.
>>
>> Different people do different things.  One popular
>> anchoring technique is
>> the Bahamian, using two anchors at 45-180 angles.  Other
>> experienced storm
>> survivors here have used two anchors in series to cope with
>> our special
>> bottom conditions.  Usually, coming from the direction of
>> the boat, the
>> first anchor is a Delta plow type with the usual nylon rode
>> and chain.
>> Then, they add about 30' of stainless cable and attach
>> a Fortress or
>> Danforth type.  The idea is the Delta plow will quickly
>> reset if the
>> direction changes and slow down dragging long enough for
>> the Fortress to
>> also reset, dig in and hold on hard.   A friend with a
>> Gulfstar 37 has used
>> this technique for ten years with great success in Broad
>> Creek.  His boat is
>> heavy and I know he uses large sizes (not sure how large),
>> but I think the
>> same technique would work for a 3000# R22 with smaller
>> ground tackle.
>>
>> Fortunately for Raven, two days before Hannah arrived I
>> just hauled her
>> home.  This is a wonderful advantage of a trailerable.  But
>> it think it's
>> always a good idea to be prepared for whatever the wind
>> gods send us.
>>
>> May all your storms go the other way,
>>
>> PT
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
>> elle
>> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 8:21 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] anchoring
>>
>> Well; what a coincidence.....anchoring is on my mind.
>>
>> It seems that when Hanna was deciding where to rest her
>> head, we decided to
>> anchor the boats (mine & my neighbor's ) in the
>> creek...which is a
>> well-protected hurrricane hole.
>>
>> The favored anchoring scheme is two anchors each set at
>> about 45 deg off the
>> bow. I have the (way too light) Danforth-style which comes
>> with the boat &
>> another  21lb Danforth, 200' of rode & @ 8-10'
>> of chain.
>>
>> Problem 1....how to anchor from the bow as the furling
>> mechanism is in the
>> way if we go out straight from the bow cleat....or have
>> massive chafing if
>> we run the rode outside of the bow pulpit...boat will then
>> not be
>> head-to-wind.....
>>
>> Problem 2...this creek has a thick layer of
>> detritus..mainly
>> leaves...coating the bottom....the heavy Danforth would not
>> set w/all the
>> junk, so a new anchor is in my future.
>>
>> Anyone have any suggestions? I am looking at a Delta as the
>> CQR (my first
>> choice) is 'way too much $$$$$.
>>
>> We ended up securing one end of the boat to a forward
>> piling and the other
>> to a tree on shore.
>>
>>
>> elle
>>
>>
>>
>> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can
>> adjust our sails.
>>
>> 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"
>> (Lady in Red)
>>
>>
>> --- On Sun, 9/14/08, Michael D. Weisner
>> <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] anchoring
>> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> > Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 6:27 PM
>> > Paul,
>> >
>> > We must have beaten this topic to death several times
>> in
>> > the past.  A quick
>> > check of the nabble archives under "anchor
>> > locker" yielded:
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.nabble.com/anchor-locker---dumb-questions-to18156518.html#a181565
>> 18
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.nabble.com/Anchor-rode-spaghetti-to18071799.html#a18144554
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.nabble.com/Anchor-rode-spaghetti-to18135271.html#a18135271
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.nabble.com/New-Guy-Bill-D.-tp7060395p7069009.html
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.nabble.com/Anchoring---Again-to5113633.html#a5113633
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.nabble.com/Go-To-Anchor-to2383036.html#a2383036
>> >
>> > You get the idea.  Most of us seem to use a Rubbermaid
>> > basket in the laz or
>> > under a cockpit seat for the stern anchor, although I
>> > prefer a bag hung on
>> > the stern rail.  I still use the forward locker for my
>> bow
>> > anchor rode
>> > storage.  I cleat it to the central foredeck cleat and
>> pass
>> > it through my
>> > bow chocks.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
>> >        Nissequogue River, NY
>> >
>> > From: "Paul Krawitz"
>> > <krawitzmail-rhodes22 at yahoo.com>Sent: Sunday,
>> > September
>> > 14, 2008 5:53 PM
>> > > How do you guys anchor?
>> > >
>> > > The forepeak (tiny bow storage area) is an
>> > impractical way to store
>> > > rode and the opening is to small for my big hands
>> to
>> > get in there.
>> > >
>> > > I've resorted to storing the rode below the
>> > cockpit benches, in a
>> > > Rubbermaid container, and walking it forward and
>> > attaching it to the
>> > > Danforth anchor handing from the bow pulpit when
>> I
>> > need to.
>> > >
>> > > Where do you cleat it? The central bow cleat?
>> > >
>> > > I'm hoping someone has a better suggestion.
>> > >
>> > > Paul K
>> > > "Clarity"
>> > >
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