[Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
R22RumRunner at aol.com
R22RumRunner at aol.com
Mon Sep 22 14:52:05 EDT 2008
Michael,
If it is the original genoa, it's probably made by Lee sails? That's who was
making them for GB at that time. I still have my original 1988 Lee genoa and
she works well, but is beginning to show her age. I've had several seams re
sewn over the years.
Rummy
In a message dated 9/22/2008 1:56:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mticse at gmail.com writes:
Thanks Rummy. From what I can tell its the original jib sail. Born in 1987
:).
In looking at old receipts from the original owner, the main sail was
replaced in 1997. But not sure if the jib sail was also. Is there a way to
verify?
So if someone has a blownout sail, can Sailcare take care of this or is a
new sail in order?
Michael
R22RumRunner wrote:
>
> Michael,
> Cross sheeting is very handy when sailing in wind or single handing. You
> bring the genoa sheet around the lower winch and then bring it up to the
> windward winch. It makes the sheet easily accesible and gives you an easy
> way to
> tighten the sheet without having to use the winch handle. With the sheet
> snugged
> down into the cleat, simply pull on the sheet between the two winches and
> then take up the slack on the side where it's attached to the cleat.
> Sounds like your genny is blown out. What year is your boat? Do you have
> the
> 175 genoa?
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2008 1:01:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> mticse at gmail.com writes:
>
>
>
> Has anyone tried cross-sheeting? Can someone explain?
>
> I saw a note on this in What's New in rhodes.org.
> http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/tack1.html
>
> I'm also unable to go closed haul and thinking that its my jib sail as i
> notice a deep concave shape in the sail.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> Leland wrote:
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>> I posted this back in September 2007:
>>
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>> ____
>>
>> Jack,
>>
>> I stand corrected. I actually can point that high. And I'm not that
>> good
>> of a sailor.
>>
>> Went sailing this afternoon. True wind was exactly 12 knots from the
>> south
>> just before I put the sails up and exactly 12 knots from the south just
>> after I furled them in. Apparent wind fluctuated between 10 and 15
>> knots.
>> Small craft advisory due to the chop, which was about 3 feet in most
>> areas.
>>
>> Boom down. Full main. Genoa sheets ran across the cabin top which
>> brought
>> the tip of the clew to the forward shrouds (about 85% reefed). Board
>> down.
>> Traveler centered but pulled so tight the end of the boom was less than
>> 12"
>> from the traveler.
>>
>> Port tack on a close reach at 240 degrees with a 10 to 15 degree heel
>> going
>> about 3.5 to 4 knots with the tiller locked at about 3 degrees to the
>> leeward side. Starboard tack at on a close reach at 150 degrees with a
>> 15
>> to 20 degree heel (stupid 130 lb. outboard) going about 3.5 to 4 knots
>> with
>> the tiller locked at about 3 degrees to the leeward side. 240 minus 150
>> equals 90 divided by 2 would be 45 degrees into the wind, but that was
>> on a
>> close reach, not on a beat, close-hauled. I easily got another 5
>> degrees
>> without luffing the sails on a beat.
>>
>> Considering the amount of wind and chop, I think the Rhodes22 will
>> point
>> better than 40 degrees with a little less wind and a lot less chop.
>>
>> One other minor factor. I was single-handling so I only had 180 lbs. of
>> human ballast. Okay, maybe 190 lbs., but I was standing most of the
>> time as
>> opposed to sitting or hiking-out.
>>
>> We really do have a well-designed sailboat.
>>
>> Lee
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>> ____
>>
>> "Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in which the
>> jib
>>> sheets travel either inside one or two of the shrouds. But the sail
>> area is
>>> so much smaller with the new system that making headway is difficult."
>>
>> I'm still relatively inexperienced so I would appreciate input from more
>> experienced sailors. You have your centerboard down which is important,
>> however I believe it is even more important to run your sheets as close
>> to the mast as possible. If you run your sheets between the shrouds,
>> you can pull the Genoa quite a way back behind the outer shroud for a
>> lot of sail area. If you run your sheets between the mast and inner
>> shroud, you can still make your Genoa slightly larger than 100%.
>>
>> I've never measured it, but I don't think I can get 45 degrees if the
>> wind is less than 5 knots. In light wind I start out on a beam reach
>> and inch my way into the wind until my speed starts to slow. At that
>> point I'd rather go fast than make headway. If you really need to make
>> headway, there's no shame in taking Bill's advice and firing up the
>> iron
>> genny.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Lee
>> 1986 Rhodes22 At Ease
>> Kent Island, MD
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bill Effros [mailto:bill at effros.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:56 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>> Does your boat have a motor?
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul Krawitz wrote:
>>> I love the way my Rhodes 22 handles in all points of sail except when
>> it is
>>> close hauled.
>>> In my narrow harbor, being able to point close to the wind is the
>> difference
>>> between returning home in 30 minutes versus 3 hours.
>>>
>>> Now I'm not asking to be able to be 30 degrees off the wind like those
>> two
>>> guys racing around in a catamaran with no seating and two angled
>> standing
>>> platforms, and like members of the Joffrey Ballet, gracefully leaping
>> from
>>> one side to the other, making smooth and instantaneous tacks and
>> traveling
>>> at 15 knots (no exaggeration).
>>> (P.S. What is that thing?)
>>>
>>> But it would be nice to make 90 degree rather than 110 or 120 degree
>> tacks.
>>>
>>> Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in which the
>> jib
>>> sheets travel either inside one or two of the shrouds. But the sail
>> area is
>>> so much smaller with the new system that making headway is difficult.
>>>
>>> Furling the genoa jib 50% with the sheets on their normal path outside
>> the
>>> shrouds seems to be the best compromise, but I'm still 50-60 degrees
>> off the
>>> wind.
>>>
>>> I tried tightening the backstays to stiffen up the jib luff. The jib
>> looks
>>> cleaner, but I'm still too far off the wind.
>>>
>>> And yes, the centerboard is down.
>>>
>>> What works for you?
>>>
>>> Paul K
>>> "Clarity"
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