[Rhodes22-list] Engine problems
Paul Krawitz
krawitzmail-rhodes22 at yahoo.com
Mon Sep 22 16:04:06 EDT 2008
Tom B.
I have previously posted a note about these starting
problems on the Yamaha 4-stroke engines.
According to my mechanic, the usual
culprits are the tiny carburetor jets. You need a
mechanic to plumb them out with tiny wires. The
occlusions that prevent the engine from starting
are tiny.
Then, once it is started, get yourself a fuel filter,
try in most cases to start the engine WITHOUT
using the choke, and if you must use the choke
just pull it out for a few seconds during cranking.
These are my mechanic's recommendations.
Paul K
"Clarity"
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> (petelargo)
> 4. Re: Economics/Politics - Significant Post about economic mess
> (Rik Sandberg)
> 5. Re: Engine problems (Tom Bickerstaff)
> 6. Re: Pointing Problem (MichaelT)
> 7. Re: Economics/Politics - Significant Post about economic mess
> (Herb Parsons)
> 8. Re: Politics 08 - Welcome to the Republican Socialist Agenda
> (Herb Parsons)
> 9. Re: Pointing Problem (R22RumRunner at aol.com)
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> 11. Tom Bickerstaff's Engine Problems (Tootle)
> 12. Re: Pointing Problem (KUHN, LELAND)
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> 14. Re: Pointing Problem (David Culp)
> 15. Re: Pointing Problem (MichaelT)
> 16. Was Pointing Problem/ Now whisker pole recommendation.
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:07:01 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Economics/Politics - Significant Post about
> economic mess
>
> Herb;
>
> I thought you might be willing to reconsider your position based upou
> recent
> developments. McCain's statement that he is "always for less regulation"
> reveals him as an economic simpleton and Sarah Palin's quote last week that
> that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had become "too expensive to the taxpayers"
> revealed her as clueless as to the source of funding for those entities. I
> thought you might be able to re-examine your previous analysis and see the
> error of your ways. Apparently not.
>
> As for Brad, I was thinking of advisors Robert Rubin (former Treas Sec,
> remember when we had a surplus?) Michael Froman (Citibank, a real radical)
> and Auston Goolsbee. Are you sure you should be flying today? You sound
> alittle feverish.
>
> Best wishes as always;
>
> Ben C.
>
> Andrew Collins-2 wrote:
> >
> > Guys
> >
> > Turn on 'Meet the Press'. The fix is not to 'allow financial institutions
> > to dump their toxic assets, clean up their books, and go back to "mark
> > to market" accounting with assets of determinable value', but to prevent
> > them from creating impenetrable uncollateralized investments in the first
> > place.
> > This is called was all caused by too little regulation. In 2003 I said
> > "hedge funds will cause the end of the world as we know it", and I really
> > do
> > not understand the stock market.
> >
> > This morning we are all becoming super-socialist bail out participants, a
> > la
> > Social Democratic model adopted in Europe under the Marshall Plan. The
> > foreign press is alternately reveling in Schadenfreude that we
> > ultra-capitalists have to nationalize so many private and semi-private
> > companies, and blessing Paulson and Bernanke. And so am I.
> >
> > Andrew
> > sv Carmen
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Ed,
> >>
> >> It will take years to unravel this whole puzzle and no doubt a lot of
> >> money will be made writing books about it, but here's what we know for
> >> now. The economy was about to grind to a stop like an engine running
> >> without oil, ie, financial institutions were about to stop lending
> >> money because no one trusted anyone. The root cause was a lot of
> >> really nasty mortgages made with horrendous lending practices. Add in
> >> some new debt instruments that no one really understood (Mr. Buffet
> >> excepted) and the problems accelerated. The "fix", if you want to call
> >> it that, is for the federal government to allow financial institutions
> >> to dump their toxic assets, clean up their books, and go back to "mark
> >> to market" accounting with assets of determinable value. What this
> >> will cost the government is unknown because the value of the assets to
> >> be dumped is unknown. Just like the RFC during the Great Depression
> >> and the Resolution Trust in the late 80's, some of these assets do
> >> have value and the taxpayer will get some of their money back. One of
> >> ideas being floated now is a reverse auction where institution bids
> >> down to a price that they are willing to sell the government the bad
> >> assets. This is truly new territory. Lehman Brothers had a chance to
> >> be acquired by Bank of Korea and CITIC bank of China months ago but
> >> thought they could get a better price. Now they'll settle for pennies
> >> on the dollar.
> >>
> >> Ever heard of a NINJA loan? Neither had I until a couple of years ago
> >> and it didn't make sense then and it sure as hell doesn't now. NINJA
> >> - no income, no job or assets. Who in their right mind would make
> >> such a loan? No one, unless they thought they could palm the risk off
> >> on someone else. Fanny and Freddie are the biggest culprits in this
> >> mess. Now here's where it gets interesting. They and most banks
> >> operated using sound lending practices until the late 70's when the
> >> Community Reinvestment Act was passed by Carter. (I'm going to use a
> >> "cheap and easy" citation here instead of financial news articles to
> >> save time)
> >>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act
> >>
> >> Clinton strengthened the act in 1995 and shoved more bad lending
> >> practices down bankers throats. One of the "leaders" in subprime
> >> mortgages was Superior Bank in Chicago.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C05E4D71E3CF934A3575BC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1
> >>
> >> Superior went belly-up in 2001. Who ran Superior? Penny Pritzker, B
> >> Hussein Obama's finance 2008 finance chairman, financial sponsor, and
> >> also chairman of the successor to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. The
> >> point is, the demo model for subprimes was Superior and it failed.
> >> Pritzker was to the sub prime mortgage what Michal Malkin was to junk
> >> bonds.
> >>
> >> In 2003 the Bush administration tried to reform Freddie and Fannie and
> >> was shot down, led by Barny Frank.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63
> >>
> >> Some Senators saw the handwriting on the wall in 2005 and again tried
> >> to reform Fan & Fred.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=109-s20060525-16&bill=s109-190#sMonofilemx003Ammx002Fmmx002Fmmx002Fmhomemx002Fmgovtrackmx002Fmdatamx002Fmusmx002Fm109mx002Fmcrmx002Fms20060525-16.xmlElementm0m0m0m
> >>
> >> By 2007, the problems were too big too ignore because so many
> >> homeowners were defaulting. The financial markets stayed intact
> >> because these "toxic mortgages" were hidden behind some really clever
> >> debt instruments. Then everyone got scared.
> >>
> >> I'll post more as information trickles in. Both political parties
> >> have their fingerprints all over this mess and Wall Street threw some
> >> good old fashioned GREED into mix for the final meltdown. Follow the
> >> money-
> >>
> >> http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/mems.php
> >>
> >> What interesting times we live in!
> >>
> >> Brad
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Brad,
> >> >
> >> > You are the accountant on this forum. If there are others, they do
> not
> >> have
> >> > courage so speak up.
> >> >
> >> > This is also an ethical question, a legal ethical question. And
> >> lawyers
> >> > should be speaking up. But alas, they claim Marxism is good. Or they
> >> say
> >> > their practice is limited to real estate transactions or business
> >> matters.
> >> > What the hell caused this mess?
> >> >
> >> > In South Carolina when the state legislature is not in session, lawyer
> >> > represenatives represent clients before judges they elect. Right and
> >> Wrong,
> >> > good and evil, when working in a gray areas, it is important that
> >> actions
> >> > withstand the scrutiny of sunlight.
> >> >
> >> > Brad said, "Here's something you don't hear much about - I've read
> >> exactly
> >> > two articles that discussed "mark to market" including one from Steve
> >> > Forbes. He didn't name it but he's referring to FASB 157 (Financial
> >> > Accounting Standards Board) which went into effect November 15, 2008
> >> that
> >> > requires all assets including level 3 assets which include
> >> collateralized
> >> > debt obligations (what Warren Buffet described as "weapons of mass
> >> financial
> >> > destruction" in 2002) to be shown on the books at market value. There
> >> lies
> >> > the problem, no one knows what these obligations are "worth" and when
> >> faith
> >> > in these instruments failed, the system started grinding to a halt.
> >> >
> >> > If the people had been honest and ethical from the get go they would
> >> have
> >> > held the actions and the paper they were written on to sunlight and a
> >> simple
> >> > test of right and wrong. These events remind me of the lady who
> >> spilled
> >> the
> >> > beans in the Enron situation. And the media said Enron was big?
> >> >
> >> > As you find time tell us where to find Steve's article and Warrens
> >> > admonition. And post any relevant sources.
> >> >
> >> > Yes, Marxism is at issue because of the Federal requirement of banks
> to
> >> loan
> >> > in questionable situations instead of holding federally backed loans
> to
> >> a
> >> > high standard. The government compelled bankers to disregard risks.
> >> > Dictatorship, Marxism, Socialism, Progressivism, call it what you
> want,
> >> it
> >> > is wrong and leads to garbage.
> >> >
> >> > Ed K
> >> > Greenville, SC, USA
> >> > attachment:
> >> > http://www.nabble.com/file/p19593492/401k.jpg 401k.jpg
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Ed,
> >> > The subject line should probably be edited to include 'Politics' since
> >> > that is always an aspect of economics, but let's stick primarily to
> >> > economics for now.
> >> >
> >> > First, a quick personal note. My union called me this week - the wife
> >> > of one of our members is dying from cancer and he has burned through
> >> > his sick leave to be by her side. They asked me to cover one of his
> >> > trips last night, which I did. I contacted my superior in the
> >> > training department and asked that he get the word out to fellow
> >> > instructors to consider flying "back-side-of-the-clock" trips for
> >> > landing currency instead of the usual afternoon "gentlemen" trips, and
> >> > they have stepped-up to the plate. This is a great country, and I am
> >> > fortunate to work for a wonderful company and with a very professional
> >> > union.
> >> >
> >> > Now about this little "financial problem" we face, it is bad. Just as
> >> > in every major airline crash that leaves a smoking hole in the ground,
> >> > the press immediately jumps to conclusions, focuses on the horror, and
> >> > is usually wrong in their analysis. What we are witnessing here is not
> >> > a crash (despite the MSM comparisons to 1929) but more like a GPWS
> >> > (ground proximity warning system) encounter - if immediate action
> >> > isn't taken, disaster will be the result. Like every aircraft
> >> > accident, the usual suspects start their spin, "It was the pilots
> >> > fault", "It was Boeings fault", "It was the company's fault", "It was
> >> > the weather". The reality takes years to discover and the root causes
> >> > are often something completely different than the original pundits
> >> > analysis. And most importantly, there is usually plenty of blame and
> >> > responsibility to go around.
> >> >
> >> > Here's the quick and dirty on what we know. The financial markets
> >> > were about to shut down because the trust and faith in the underlying
> >> > assets that props-up the entire system were suspect.
> >> >
> >> > I'll go into a more thorough analysis tomorrow after a good nights
> >> > sleep. Here's something you don't hear much about - I've read exactly
> >> > two articles that discussed "mark to market" including one from Steve
> >> > Forbes. He didn't name it but he's referring to FASB 157 (Financial
> >> > Accounting Standards Board) which went into effect November 15, 2008
> >> > that requires all assets including level 3 assets which include
> >> > collateralized debt obligations (what Warren Buffet described as
> >> > "weapons of mass financial destruction" in 2002) to be shown on the
> >> > books at market value. There lies the problem, no one knows what
> >> > these obligations are "worth" and when faith in these instruments
> >> > failed, the system started grinding to a halt.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not very happy about the federal government nationalizing roughly
> >> > 7% of the economy but let's hope this only a temporary jolt of
> >> > medicine and the government will divest themselves of their new
> >> > "ownership" position as quickly as they acquired it.
> >> >
> >> > We'll discuss the culprits tomorrow.
> >> >
> >> > Brad
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Brad just posted a significant post to the list, but its significance
> >> gets
> >> >> lost in subject line. All shoud read his last post:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2008-September/054616.html
> >> >>
> >> >> I am referring to the briefing to Congress.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ed K
> >> >> Greenville, SC, USA
> >> >> --
> >> >> View this message in context:
> >> >>
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/Significant-Post-to-List-with-wrong-subject-line%21%21%21-tp19580917p19580917.html
> >> >
> >> > http://www.nabble.com/file/p19593492/401k.jpg 401k.jpg
> >> > --
> >> > View this message in context:
> >>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:22:25 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Brad, here is a tool to follow the money
>
> See:
>
>
> http://www.muckety.com/C23C4BE7DD59FC487397375CF089D398.map?autoGroup=7,7&full=true
>
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
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>
>
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> From: petelargo <petelauritzen at earthlink.net>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:32:06 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Politics 08 - Welcome to the Republican Socialist
> Agenda
>
> On 60 minutes last night, John McCain admitted that the George Bush
> Presidency has increased the federal government more than any other
> administration in history. Of course the same goes for the federal
> deficit,
> more than any other administration in history and erosion of civil
> liberties, more than any other in history. This so-called conservatism of
> privatizing the profits and socializing the losses is disgusting. You call
> yourselves conservatives?! What a joke. No party has done more to shove a
> socialist agenda up our arses than you who support this 'brand' of
> republicanism.
>
> Is Brad still handing out those $100 dollar bills?
> --
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>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:37:28 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Economics/Politics - Significant Post about
> economic mess
> Ben,
>
> Guess you didn't read Brads email earlier. Maybe you should have. Here's a
> link to the article that explains the Democrats contribution to our latest
> financial mess. As I said earlier, we shouldn't be in this mess now.
>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0
>
> Rik
>
> Ayn Rand was a prophet - - it isn't my fault
>
>
>
> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/opinion/22krugman.html?hp
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/opinion/22krugman.html?hp
>> Friends, Romans, Countrymen:
>>
>> The above link is to today's Paul Krugman Column in the NYTimes. It is a
>> short, readable, and (in my view) very accurate picture of the current
>> economic crisis and Treas Sec's plan to aleviate it. If you think he's
>> not
>> conservative enough read William Kristol's column of the same date in the
>> same paper. As far as I can tell he pretty much agrees with Krugman.
>>
>> Do you really think John "I'm always for less regulation" McCain and Sarah
>> "I can see Russia from my porch" Palin are the right folks for the job?
>> At
>> least Obama has a legion of top advisors whose advice he is willing to
>> listen to.
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Ben C. s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
>>
>> Andrew Collins-2 wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Guys
>>>
>>> Turn on 'Meet the Press'. The fix is not to 'allow financial institutions
>>> to dump their toxic assets, clean up their books, and go back to "mark
>>> to market" accounting with assets of determinable value', but to prevent
>>> them from creating impenetrable uncollateralized investments in the first
>>> place.
>>> This is called was all caused by too little regulation. In 2003 I said
>>> "hedge funds will cause the end of the world as we know it", and I really
>>> do
>>> not understand the stock market.
>>>
>>> This morning we are all becoming super-socialist bail out participants, a
>>> la
>>> Social Democratic model adopted in Europe under the Marshall Plan. The
>>> foreign press is alternately reveling in Schadenfreude that we
>>> ultra-capitalists have to nationalize so many private and semi-private
>>> companies, and blessing Paulson and Bernanke. And so am I.
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>> sv Carmen
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ed,
>>>>
>>>> It will take years to unravel this whole puzzle and no doubt a lot of
>>>> money will be made writing books about it, but here's what we know for
>>>> now. The economy was about to grind to a stop like an engine running
>>>> without oil, ie, financial institutions were about to stop lending
>>>> money because no one trusted anyone. The root cause was a lot of
>>>> really nasty mortgages made with horrendous lending practices. Add in
>>>> some new debt instruments that no one really understood (Mr. Buffet
>>>> excepted) and the problems accelerated. The "fix", if you want to call
>>>> it that, is for the federal government to allow financial institutions
>>>> to dump their toxic assets, clean up their books, and go back to "mark
>>>> to market" accounting with assets of determinable value. What this
>>>> will cost the government is unknown because the value of the assets to
>>>> be dumped is unknown. Just like the RFC during the Great Depression
>>>> and the Resolution Trust in the late 80's, some of these assets do
>>>> have value and the taxpayer will get some of their money back. One of
>>>> ideas being floated now is a reverse auction where institution bids
>>>> down to a price that they are willing to sell the government the bad
>>>> assets. This is truly new territory. Lehman Brothers had a chance to
>>>> be acquired by Bank of Korea and CITIC bank of China months ago but
>>>> thought they could get a better price. Now they'll settle for pennies
>>>> on the dollar.
>>>>
>>>> Ever heard of a NINJA loan? Neither had I until a couple of years ago
>>>> and it didn't make sense then and it sure as hell doesn't now. NINJA
>>>> - no income, no job or assets. Who in their right mind would make
>>>> such a loan? No one, unless they thought they could palm the risk off
>>>> on someone else. Fanny and Freddie are the biggest culprits in this
>>>> mess. Now here's where it gets interesting. They and most banks
>>>> operated using sound lending practices until the late 70's when the
>>>> Community Reinvestment Act was passed by Carter. (I'm going to use a
>>>> "cheap and easy" citation here instead of financial news articles to
>>>> save time)
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act
>>>>
>>>> Clinton strengthened the act in 1995 and shoved more bad lending
>>>> practices down bankers throats. One of the "leaders" in subprime
>>>> mortgages was Superior Bank in Chicago.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C05E4D71E3CF934A3575BC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1
>>>>
>>>> Superior went belly-up in 2001. Who ran Superior? Penny Pritzker, B
>>>> Hussein Obama's finance 2008 finance chairman, financial sponsor, and
>>>> also chairman of the successor to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. The
>>>> point is, the demo model for subprimes was Superior and it failed.
>>>> Pritzker was to the sub prime mortgage what Michal Malkin was to junk
>>>> bonds.
>>>>
>>>> In 2003 the Bush administration tried to reform Freddie and Fannie and
>>>> was shot down, led by Barny Frank.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63
>>>>
>>>> Some Senators saw the handwriting on the wall in 2005 and again tried
>>>> to reform Fan & Fred.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=109-s20060525-16&bill=s109-190#sMonofilemx003Ammx002Fmmx002Fmmx002Fmhomemx002Fmgovtrackmx002Fmdatamx002Fmusmx002Fm109mx002Fmcrmx002Fms20060525-16.xmlElementm0m0m0m
>>>>
>>>> By 2007, the problems were too big too ignore because so many
>>>> homeowners were defaulting. The financial markets stayed intact
>>>> because these "toxic mortgages" were hidden behind some really clever
>>>> debt instruments. Then everyone got scared.
>>>>
>>>> I'll post more as information trickles in. Both political parties
>>>> have their fingerprints all over this mess and Wall Street threw some
>>>> good old fashioned GREED into mix for the final meltdown. Follow the
>>>> money-
>>>>
>>>> http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/mems.php
>>>>
>>>> What interesting times we live in!
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>
>>>>> You are the accountant on this forum. If there are others, they do not
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> have
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> courage so speak up.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is also an ethical question, a legal ethical question. And
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> lawyers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> should be speaking up. But alas, they claim Marxism is good. Or they
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> say
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> their practice is limited to real estate transactions or business
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> matters.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What the hell caused this mess?
>>>>>
>>>>> In South Carolina when the state legislature is not in session, lawyer
>>>>> represenatives represent clients before judges they elect. Right and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Wrong,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> good and evil, when working in a gray areas, it is important that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> actions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> withstand the scrutiny of sunlight.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad said, "Here's something you don't hear much about - I've read
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> exactly
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> two articles that discussed "mark to market" including one from Steve
>>>>> Forbes. He didn't name it but he's referring to FASB 157 (Financial
>>>>> Accounting Standards Board) which went into effect November 15, 2008
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> that
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> requires all assets including level 3 assets which include
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> collateralized
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> debt obligations (what Warren Buffet described as "weapons of mass
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> financial
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> destruction" in 2002) to be shown on the books at market value. There
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> lies
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> the problem, no one knows what these obligations are "worth" and when
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> faith
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> in these instruments failed, the system started grinding to a halt.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the people had been honest and ethical from the get go they would
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> have
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> held the actions and the paper they were written on to sunlight and a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> simple
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> test of right and wrong. These events remind me of the lady who
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> spilled
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> beans in the Enron situation. And the media said Enron was big?
>>>>>
>>>>> As you find time tell us where to find Steve's article and Warrens
>>>>> admonition. And post any relevant sources.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, Marxism is at issue because of the Federal requirement of banks to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> loan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> in questionable situations instead of holding federally backed loans to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> high standard. The government compelled bankers to disregard risks.
>>>>> Dictatorship, Marxism, Socialism, Progressivism, call it what you want,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> is wrong and leads to garbage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed K
>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>> attachment:
>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p19593492/401k.jpg 401k.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed,
>>>>> The subject line should probably be edited to include 'Politics' since
>>>>> that is always an aspect of economics, but let's stick primarily to
>>>>> economics for now.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, a quick personal note. My union called me this week - the wife
>>>>> of one of our members is dying from cancer and he has burned through
>>>>> his sick leave to be by her side. They asked me to cover one of his
>>>>> trips last night, which I did. I contacted my superior in the
>>>>> training department and asked that he get the word out to fellow
>>>>> instructors to consider flying "back-side-of-the-clock" trips for
>>>>> landing currency instead of the usual afternoon "gentlemen" trips, and
>>>>> they have stepped-up to the plate. This is a great country, and I am
>>>>> fortunate to work for a wonderful company and with a very professional
>>>>> union.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now about this little "financial problem" we face, it is bad. Just as
>>>>> in every major airline crash that leaves a smoking hole in the ground,
>>>>> the press immediately jumps to conclusions, focuses on the horror, and
>>>>> is usually wrong in their analysis. What we are witnessing here is not
>>>>> a crash (despite the MSM comparisons to 1929) but more like a GPWS
>>>>> (ground proximity warning system) encounter - if immediate action
>>>>> isn't taken, disaster will be the result. Like every aircraft
>>>>> accident, the usual suspects start their spin, "It was the pilots
>>>>> fault", "It was Boeings fault", "It was the company's fault", "It was
>>>>> the weather". The reality takes years to discover and the root causes
>>>>> are often something completely different than the original pundits
>>>>> analysis. And most importantly, there is usually plenty of blame and
>>>>> responsibility to go around.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the quick and dirty on what we know. The financial markets
>>>>> were about to shut down because the trust and faith in the underlying
>>>>> assets that props-up the entire system were suspect.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll go into a more thorough analysis tomorrow after a good nights
>>>>> sleep. Here's something you don't hear much about - I've read exactly
>>>>> two articles that discussed "mark to market" including one from Steve
>>>>> Forbes. He didn't name it but he's referring to FASB 157 (Financial
>>>>> Accounting Standards Board) which went into effect November 15, 2008
>>>>> that requires all assets including level 3 assets which include
>>>>> collateralized debt obligations (what Warren Buffet described as
>>>>> "weapons of mass financial destruction" in 2002) to be shown on the
>>>>> books at market value. There lies the problem, no one knows what
>>>>> these obligations are "worth" and when faith in these instruments
>>>>> failed, the system started grinding to a halt.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not very happy about the federal government nationalizing roughly
>>>>> 7% of the economy but let's hope this only a temporary jolt of
>>>>> medicine and the government will divest themselves of their new
>>>>> "ownership" position as quickly as they acquired it.
>>>>>
>>>>> We'll discuss the culprits tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad just posted a significant post to the list, but its significance
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> gets
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> lost in subject line. All shoud read his last post:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2008-September/054616.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am referring to the briefing to Congress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/Significant-Post-to-List-with-wrong-subject-line%21%21%21-tp19580917p19580917.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p19593492/401k.jpg 401k.jpg
>>>>> --
>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/Economics---Significant-Post-to-List-with-wrong-subject-line%21%21%21-tp19590875p19593492.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Tom Bickerstaff" <tabick at mchsi.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:41:21 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Engine problems
> Hi folks.
>
> I hope someone out there is more knowledgeable about the Yamaha 9.9 than I
> am - I haven't been able to start it for over two weeks and I've tried
> every
> day. The battery is fully charged and the electric starter cranks over but
> other than a cough and a splutter for a few seconds on the very first
> failed
> attempt, the engine is not responding. I'm pretty sure the fuel line isn't
> clogged. If I flooded the engine on the first failure, how long does it
> remain flooded?
>
> HELP!!!!
>
> Tom B
>
> S/V still un-named
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: MichaelT <mticse at gmail.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:00:48 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
>
>
> Has anyone tried cross-sheeting? Can someone explain?
>
> I saw a note on this in What's New in rhodes.org.
> http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/tack1.html
>
> I'm also unable to go closed haul and thinking that its my jib sail as i
> notice a deep concave shape in the sail.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> Leland wrote:
> >
> > Paul,
> >
> > I posted this back in September 2007:
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ____
> >
> > Jack,
> >
> > I stand corrected. I actually can point that high. And I'm not that
> > good
> > of a sailor.
> >
> > Went sailing this afternoon. True wind was exactly 12 knots from the
> > south
> > just before I put the sails up and exactly 12 knots from the south just
> > after I furled them in. Apparent wind fluctuated between 10 and 15
> > knots.
> > Small craft advisory due to the chop, which was about 3 feet in most
> > areas.
> >
> > Boom down. Full main. Genoa sheets ran across the cabin top which
> > brought
> > the tip of the clew to the forward shrouds (about 85% reefed). Board
> > down.
> > Traveler centered but pulled so tight the end of the boom was less than
> > 12"
> > from the traveler.
> >
> > Port tack on a close reach at 240 degrees with a 10 to 15 degree heel
> > going
> > about 3.5 to 4 knots with the tiller locked at about 3 degrees to the
> > leeward side. Starboard tack at on a close reach at 150 degrees with a
> > 15
> > to 20 degree heel (stupid 130 lb. outboard) going about 3.5 to 4 knots
> > with
> > the tiller locked at about 3 degrees to the leeward side. 240 minus 150
> > equals 90 divided by 2 would be 45 degrees into the wind, but that was
> > on a
> > close reach, not on a beat, close-hauled. I easily got another 5
> > degrees
> > without luffing the sails on a beat.
> >
> > Considering the amount of wind and chop, I think the Rhodes22 will point
> > better than 40 degrees with a little less wind and a lot less chop.
> >
> > One other minor factor. I was single-handling so I only had 180 lbs. of
> > human ballast. Okay, maybe 190 lbs., but I was standing most of the
> > time as
> > opposed to sitting or hiking-out.
> >
> > We really do have a well-designed sailboat.
> >
> > Lee
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ____
> >
> > "Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in which the
> > jib
> >> sheets travel either inside one or two of the shrouds. But the sail
> > area is
> >> so much smaller with the new system that making headway is difficult."
> >
> > I'm still relatively inexperienced so I would appreciate input from more
> > experienced sailors. You have your centerboard down which is important,
> > however I believe it is even more important to run your sheets as close
> > to the mast as possible. If you run your sheets between the shrouds,
> > you can pull the Genoa quite a way back behind the outer shroud for a
> > lot of sail area. If you run your sheets between the mast and inner
> > shroud, you can still make your Genoa slightly larger than 100%.
> >
> > I've never measured it, but I don't think I can get 45 degrees if the
> > wind is less than 5 knots. In light wind I start out on a beam reach
> > and inch my way into the wind until my speed starts to slow. At that
> > point I'd rather go fast than make headway. If you really need to make
> > headway, there's no shame in taking Bill's advice and firing up the iron
> > genny.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Lee
> > 1986 Rhodes22 At Ease
> > Kent Island, MD
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Effros [mailto:bill at effros.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:56 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
> >
> > Paul,
> >
> > Does your boat have a motor?
> >
> > Bill Effros
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul Krawitz wrote:
> >> I love the way my Rhodes 22 handles in all points of sail except when
> > it is
> >> close hauled.
> >> In my narrow harbor, being able to point close to the wind is the
> > difference
> >> between returning home in 30 minutes versus 3 hours.
> >>
> >> Now I'm not asking to be able to be 30 degrees off the wind like those
> > two
> >> guys racing around in a catamaran with no seating and two angled
> > standing
> >> platforms, and like members of the Joffrey Ballet, gracefully leaping
> > from
> >> one side to the other, making smooth and instantaneous tacks and
> > traveling
> >> at 15 knots (no exaggeration).
> >> (P.S. What is that thing?)
> >>
> >> But it would be nice to make 90 degree rather than 110 or 120 degree
> > tacks.
> >>
> >> Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in which the
> > jib
> >> sheets travel either inside one or two of the shrouds. But the sail
> > area is
> >> so much smaller with the new system that making headway is difficult.
> >>
> >> Furling the genoa jib 50% with the sheets on their normal path outside
> > the
> >> shrouds seems to be the best compromise, but I'm still 50-60 degrees
> > off the
> >> wind.
> >>
> >> I tried tightening the backstays to stiffen up the jib luff. The jib
> > looks
> >> cleaner, but I'm still too far off the wind.
> >>
> >> And yes, the centerboard is down.
> >>
> >> What works for you?
> >>
> >> Paul K
> >> "Clarity"
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>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:04:08 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Economics/Politics - Significant Post about
> economic mess
> Sorry Ben, I don't judge anyone on "one lines". I suspect that you do so
> only in select cases.
>
> If I were to do so, I'd say the man that said "It depends on what your
> definition of 'is' is" would have to be judged a "simpleton". He wasn't.
>
> In your "assessment" you've offered nothing about Obama's economics
> "expertise", other than "he's willing to listen to his advisors" (which, I'm
> sure, McCain will be "willing" to do as well). I haven't seen much
> encouraging from Obama along those lines.
>
>
> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>
>> Herb;
>>
>> I thought you might be willing to reconsider your position based upou
>> recent
>> developments. McCain's statement that he is "always for less regulation"
>> reveals him as an economic simpleton and Sarah Palin's quote last week
>> that
>> that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had become "too expensive to the
>> taxpayers"
>> revealed her as clueless as to the source of funding for those entities. I
>> thought you might be able to re-examine your previous analysis and see the
>> error of your ways. Apparently not.
>> As for Brad, I was thinking of advisors Robert Rubin (former Treas Sec,
>> remember when we had a surplus?) Michael Froman (Citibank, a real radical)
>> and Auston Goolsbee. Are you sure you should be flying today? You sound
>> alittle feverish.
>> Best wishes as always;
>>
>> Ben C.
>>
>> Andrew Collins-2 wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Guys
>>>
>>> Turn on 'Meet the Press'. The fix is not to 'allow financial institutions
>>> to dump their toxic assets, clean up their books, and go back to "mark
>>> to market" accounting with assets of determinable value', but to prevent
>>> them from creating impenetrable uncollateralized investments in the first
>>> place.
>>> This is called was all caused by too little regulation. In 2003 I said
>>> "hedge funds will cause the end of the world as we know it", and I really
>>> do
>>> not understand the stock market.
>>>
>>> This morning we are all becoming super-socialist bail out participants, a
>>> la
>>> Social Democratic model adopted in Europe under the Marshall Plan. The
>>> foreign press is alternately reveling in Schadenfreude that we
>>> ultra-capitalists have to nationalize so many private and semi-private
>>> companies, and blessing Paulson and Bernanke. And so am I.
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>> sv Carmen
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ed,
>>>>
>>>> It will take years to unravel this whole puzzle and no doubt a lot of
>>>> money will be made writing books about it, but here's what we know for
>>>> now. The economy was about to grind to a stop like an engine running
>>>> without oil, ie, financial institutions were about to stop lending
>>>> money because no one trusted anyone. The root cause was a lot of
>>>> really nasty mortgages made with horrendous lending practices. Add in
>>>> some new debt instruments that no one really understood (Mr. Buffet
>>>> excepted) and the problems accelerated. The "fix", if you want to call
>>>> it that, is for the federal government to allow financial institutions
>>>> to dump their toxic assets, clean up their books, and go back to "mark
>>>> to market" accounting with assets of determinable value. What this
>>>> will cost the government is unknown because the value of the assets to
>>>> be dumped is unknown. Just like the RFC during the Great Depression
>>>> and the Resolution Trust in the late 80's, some of these assets do
>>>> have value and the taxpayer will get some of their money back. One of
>>>> ideas being floated now is a reverse auction where institution bids
>>>> down to a price that they are willing to sell the government the bad
>>>> assets. This is truly new territory. Lehman Brothers had a chance to
>>>> be acquired by Bank of Korea and CITIC bank of China months ago but
>>>> thought they could get a better price. Now they'll settle for pennies
>>>> on the dollar.
>>>>
>>>> Ever heard of a NINJA loan? Neither had I until a couple of years ago
>>>> and it didn't make sense then and it sure as hell doesn't now. NINJA
>>>> - no income, no job or assets. Who in their right mind would make
>>>> such a loan? No one, unless they thought they could palm the risk off
>>>> on someone else. Fanny and Freddie are the biggest culprits in this
>>>> mess. Now here's where it gets interesting. They and most banks
>>>> operated using sound lending practices until the late 70's when the
>>>> Community Reinvestment Act was passed by Carter. (I'm going to use a
>>>> "cheap and easy" citation here instead of financial news articles to
>>>> save time)
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act
>>>>
>>>> Clinton strengthened the act in 1995 and shoved more bad lending
>>>> practices down bankers throats. One of the "leaders" in subprime
>>>> mortgages was Superior Bank in Chicago.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C05E4D71E3CF934A3575BC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1
>>>>
>>>> Superior went belly-up in 2001. Who ran Superior? Penny Pritzker, B
>>>> Hussein Obama's finance 2008 finance chairman, financial sponsor, and
>>>> also chairman of the successor to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. The
>>>> point is, the demo model for subprimes was Superior and it failed.
>>>> Pritzker was to the sub prime mortgage what Michal Malkin was to junk
>>>> bonds.
>>>>
>>>> In 2003 the Bush administration tried to reform Freddie and Fannie and
>>>> was shot down, led by Barny Frank.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63
>>>>
>>>> Some Senators saw the handwriting on the wall in 2005 and again tried
>>>> to reform Fan & Fred.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=109-s20060525-16&bill=s109-190#sMonofilemx003Ammx002Fmmx002Fmmx002Fmhomemx002Fmgovtrackmx002Fmdatamx002Fmusmx002Fm109mx002Fmcrmx002Fms20060525-16.xmlElementm0m0m0m
>>>>
>>>> By 2007, the problems were too big too ignore because so many
>>>> homeowners were defaulting. The financial markets stayed intact
>>>> because these "toxic mortgages" were hidden behind some really clever
>>>> debt instruments. Then everyone got scared.
>>>>
>>>> I'll post more as information trickles in. Both political parties
>>>> have their fingerprints all over this mess and Wall Street threw some
>>>> good old fashioned GREED into mix for the final meltdown. Follow the
>>>> money-
>>>>
>>>> http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/mems.php
>>>>
>>>> What interesting times we live in!
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>
>>>>> You are the accountant on this forum. If there are others, they do not
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> have
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> courage so speak up.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is also an ethical question, a legal ethical question. And
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> lawyers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> should be speaking up. But alas, they claim Marxism is good. Or they
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> say
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> their practice is limited to real estate transactions or business
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> matters.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What the hell caused this mess?
>>>>>
>>>>> In South Carolina when the state legislature is not in session, lawyer
>>>>> represenatives represent clients before judges they elect. Right and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Wrong,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> good and evil, when working in a gray areas, it is important that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> actions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> withstand the scrutiny of sunlight.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad said, "Here's something you don't hear much about - I've read
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> exactly
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> two articles that discussed "mark to market" including one from Steve
>>>>> Forbes. He didn't name it but he's referring to FASB 157 (Financial
>>>>> Accounting Standards Board) which went into effect November 15, 2008
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> that
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> requires all assets including level 3 assets which include
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> collateralized
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> debt obligations (what Warren Buffet described as "weapons of mass
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> financial
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> destruction" in 2002) to be shown on the books at market value. There
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> lies
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> the problem, no one knows what these obligations are "worth" and when
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> faith
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> in these instruments failed, the system started grinding to a halt.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the people had been honest and ethical from the get go they would
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> have
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> held the actions and the paper they were written on to sunlight and a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> simple
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> test of right and wrong. These events remind me of the lady who
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> spilled
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> beans in the Enron situation. And the media said Enron was big?
>>>>>
>>>>> As you find time tell us where to find Steve's article and Warrens
>>>>> admonition. And post any relevant sources.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, Marxism is at issue because of the Federal requirement of banks to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> loan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> in questionable situations instead of holding federally backed loans to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> high standard. The government compelled bankers to disregard risks.
>>>>> Dictatorship, Marxism, Socialism, Progressivism, call it what you want,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> is wrong and leads to garbage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed K
>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>> attachment:
>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p19593492/401k.jpg 401k.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed,
>>>>> The subject line should probably be edited to include 'Politics' since
>>>>> that is always an aspect of economics, but let's stick primarily to
>>>>> economics for now.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, a quick personal note. My union called me this week - the wife
>>>>> of one of our members is dying from cancer and he has burned through
>>>>> his sick leave to be by her side. They asked me to cover one of his
>>>>> trips last night, which I did. I contacted my superior in the
>>>>> training department and asked that he get the word out to fellow
>>>>> instructors to consider flying "back-side-of-the-clock" trips for
>>>>> landing currency instead of the usual afternoon "gentlemen" trips, and
>>>>> they have stepped-up to the plate. This is a great country, and I am
>>>>> fortunate to work for a wonderful company and with a very professional
>>>>> union.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now about this little "financial problem" we face, it is bad. Just as
>>>>> in every major airline crash that leaves a smoking hole in the ground,
>>>>> the press immediately jumps to conclusions, focuses on the horror, and
>>>>> is usually wrong in their analysis. What we are witnessing here is not
>>>>> a crash (despite the MSM comparisons to 1929) but more like a GPWS
>>>>> (ground proximity warning system) encounter - if immediate action
>>>>> isn't taken, disaster will be the result. Like every aircraft
>>>>> accident, the usual suspects start their spin, "It was the pilots
>>>>> fault", "It was Boeings fault", "It was the company's fault", "It was
>>>>> the weather". The reality takes years to discover and the root causes
>>>>> are often something completely different than the original pundits
>>>>> analysis. And most importantly, there is usually plenty of blame and
>>>>> responsibility to go around.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the quick and dirty on what we know. The financial markets
>>>>> were about to shut down because the trust and faith in the underlying
>>>>> assets that props-up the entire system were suspect.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll go into a more thorough analysis tomorrow after a good nights
>>>>> sleep. Here's something you don't hear much about - I've read exactly
>>>>> two articles that discussed "mark to market" including one from Steve
>>>>> Forbes. He didn't name it but he's referring to FASB 157 (Financial
>>>>> Accounting Standards Board) which went into effect November 15, 2008
>>>>> that requires all assets including level 3 assets which include
>>>>> collateralized debt obligations (what Warren Buffet described as
>>>>> "weapons of mass financial destruction" in 2002) to be shown on the
>>>>> books at market value. There lies the problem, no one knows what
>>>>> these obligations are "worth" and when faith in these instruments
>>>>> failed, the system started grinding to a halt.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not very happy about the federal government nationalizing roughly
>>>>> 7% of the economy but let's hope this only a temporary jolt of
>>>>> medicine and the government will divest themselves of their new
>>>>> "ownership" position as quickly as they acquired it.
>>>>>
>>>>> We'll discuss the culprits tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad just posted a significant post to the list, but its significance
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> gets
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> lost in subject line. All shoud read his last post:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2008-September/054616.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am referring to the briefing to Congress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/Significant-Post-to-List-with-wrong-subject-line%21%21%21-tp19580917p19580917.html
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:07:09 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics 08 - Welcome to the Republican
> Socialist Agenda
> Pete,
>
> Surely you're not trying to say that John McCain "admitted" that the Bush
> administration has increased the "erosion of civil liberties mor than any
> other in history"?
>
> I suggest that's a Pete Largo insertion.
>
> And, I further suggest it shows your ignorance of history. The "abuses" by
> President Abraham Lincoln would make George W Bush look like a liberal.
>
> But, even if it were true, I'd make a suggestion to you.
>
> Don't vote for Bush this time around.
>
> petelargo wrote:
>
>> On 60 minutes last night, John McCain admitted that the George Bush
>> Presidency has increased the federal government more than any other
>> administration in history. Of course the same goes for the federal
>> deficit,
>> more than any other administration in history and erosion of civil
>> liberties, more than any other in history. This so-called conservatism of
>> privatizing the profits and socializing the losses is disgusting. You call
>> yourselves conservatives?! What a joke. No party has done more to shove a
>> socialist agenda up our arses than you who support this 'brand' of
>> republicanism.
>> Is Brad still handing out those $100 dollar bills?
>>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:19:36 EDT
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
> Michael,
> Cross sheeting is very handy when sailing in wind or single handing. You
> bring the genoa sheet around the lower winch and then bring it up to the
> windward winch. It makes the sheet easily accesible and gives you an easy
> way to
> tighten the sheet without having to use the winch handle. With the sheet
> snugged
> down into the cleat, simply pull on the sheet between the two winches and
> then take up the slack on the side where it's attached to the cleat.
> Sounds like your genny is blown out. What year is your boat? Do you have
> the
> 175 genoa?
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2008 1:01:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> mticse at gmail.com writes:
>
>
>
> Has anyone tried cross-sheeting? Can someone explain?
>
> I saw a note on this in What's New in rhodes.org.
> http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/tack1.html
>
> I'm also unable to go closed haul and thinking that its my jib sail as i
> notice a deep concave shape in the sail.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> Leland wrote:
> >
> > Paul,
> >
> > I posted this back in September 2007:
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ____
> >
> > Jack,
> >
> > I stand corrected. I actually can point that high. And I'm not that
> > good
> > of a sailor.
> >
> > Went sailing this afternoon. True wind was exactly 12 knots from the
> > south
> > just before I put the sails up and exactly 12 knots from the south just
> > after I furled them in. Apparent wind fluctuated between 10 and 15
> > knots.
> > Small craft advisory due to the chop, which was about 3 feet in most
> > areas.
> >
> > Boom down. Full main. Genoa sheets ran across the cabin top which
> > brought
> > the tip of the clew to the forward shrouds (about 85% reefed). Board
> > down.
> > Traveler centered but pulled so tight the end of the boom was less than
> > 12"
> > from the traveler.
> >
> > Port tack on a close reach at 240 degrees with a 10 to 15 degree heel
> > going
> > about 3.5 to 4 knots with the tiller locked at about 3 degrees to the
> > leeward side. Starboard tack at on a close reach at 150 degrees with a
> > 15
> > to 20 degree heel (stupid 130 lb. outboard) going about 3.5 to 4 knots
> > with
> > the tiller locked at about 3 degrees to the leeward side. 240 minus 150
> > equals 90 divided by 2 would be 45 degrees into the wind, but that was
> > on a
> > close reach, not on a beat, close-hauled. I easily got another 5
> > degrees
> > without luffing the sails on a beat.
> >
> > Considering the amount of wind and chop, I think the Rhodes22 will
> point
> > better than 40 degrees with a little less wind and a lot less chop.
> >
> > One other minor factor. I was single-handling so I only had 180 lbs. of
> > human ballast. Okay, maybe 190 lbs., but I was standing most of the
> > time as
> > opposed to sitting or hiking-out.
> >
> > We really do have a well-designed sailboat.
> >
> > Lee
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ____
> >
> > "Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in which the
> > jib
> >> sheets travel either inside one or two of the shrouds. But the sail
> > area is
> >> so much smaller with the new system that making headway is difficult."
> >
> > I'm still relatively inexperienced so I would appreciate input from more
> > experienced sailors. You have your centerboard down which is important,
> > however I believe it is even more important to run your sheets as close
> > to the mast as possible. If you run your sheets between the shrouds,
> > you can pull the Genoa quite a way back behind the outer shroud for a
> > lot of sail area. If you run your sheets between the mast and inner
> > shroud, you can still make your Genoa slightly larger than 100%.
> >
> > I've never measured it, but I don't think I can get 45 degrees if the
> > wind is less than 5 knots. In light wind I start out on a beam reach
> > and inch my way into the wind until my speed starts to slow. At that
> > point I'd rather go fast than make headway. If you really need to make
> > headway, there's no shame in taking Bill's advice and firing up the
> iron
> > genny.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Lee
> > 1986 Rhodes22 At Ease
> > Kent Island, MD
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Effros [mailto:bill at effros.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:56 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
> >
> > Paul,
> >
> > Does your boat have a motor?
> >
> > Bill Effros
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul Krawitz wrote:
> >> I love the way my Rhodes 22 handles in all points of sail except when
> > it is
> >> close hauled.
> >> In my narrow harbor, being able to point close to the wind is the
> > difference
> >> between returning home in 30 minutes versus 3 hours.
> >>
> >> Now I'm not asking to be able to be 30 degrees off the wind like those
> > two
> >> guys racing around in a catamaran with no seating and two angled
> > standing
> >> platforms, and like members of the Joffrey Ballet, gracefully leaping
> > from
> >> one side to the other, making smooth and instantaneous tacks and
> > traveling
> >> at 15 knots (no exaggeration).
> >> (P.S. What is that thing?)
> >>
> >> But it would be nice to make 90 degree rather than 110 or 120 degree
> > tacks.
> >>
> >> Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in which the
> > jib
> >> sheets travel either inside one or two of the shrouds. But the sail
> > area is
> >> so much smaller with the new system that making headway is difficult.
> >>
> >> Furling the genoa jib 50% with the sheets on their normal path outside
> > the
> >> shrouds seems to be the best compromise, but I'm still 50-60 degrees
> > off the
> >> wind.
> >>
> >> I tried tightening the backstays to stiffen up the jib luff. The jib
> > looks
> >> cleaner, but I'm still too far off the wind.
> >>
> >> And yes, the centerboard is down.
> >>
> >> What works for you?
> >>
> >> Paul K
> >> "Clarity"
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:26:15 EDT
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Engine problems
> Tom,
> It sounds like a fuel related problem. We've been discussing this a lot
> lately and mostly with the 9.9 four stroke Yamaha. Most of the problems
> have been
> resolved by using new gas and replacing the fuel filter on the motor. Also
> make sure your gas tank is clean and the pickup screen isn't fouled.
> Another
> problem is that some people do not pump the primer bulb on the fuel line
> long
> enough and not enough gas is reaching the fuel pump.You must pump the
> primer
> bulb until it becomes firm. Also make sure the air vent on the tank is
> open.
> Fresh spark plugs wouldn't hurt anything either.
> One tool that I always carry on my boats is a spark tester. It fits onto
> the
> spark plug and then to the plug wire and lights up if there is voltage
> going
> to the spark plug. They can be had on E Bay for a couple of bucks and take
> a
> lot of the guess work out of engine problem diagnosing.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2008 12:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> tabick at mchsi.com writes:
>
> Hi folks.
>
> I hope someone out there is more knowledgeable about the Yamaha 9.9 than I
> am - I haven't been able to start it for over two weeks and I've tried
> every
> day. The battery is fully charged and the electric starter cranks over
> but
> other than a cough and a splutter for a few seconds on the very first
> failed
> attempt, the engine is not responding. I'm pretty sure the fuel line
> isn't
> clogged. If I flooded the engine on the first failure, how long does it
> remain flooded?
>
> HELP!!!!
>
> Tom B
>
> S/V still un-named
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:34:23 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tom Bickerstaff's Engine Problems
>
> Tom:
>
> After reading Rummy's reply, ask Mike W how to search the archives on this
> issue. Engine problems especially with Yamaha 9.9 four stroke engine have
> been extensively discussed since June. Many, Many posts with good
> information, surely you read all those posts and saved the important
> information?
>
> See: http://www.nabble.com/Rhodes-22-f14229.html
>
> While Rummy's reply is a good start, read all those other posts. Copy
> important information for study and use for reference. There is at least
> three or more pages edited information.
>
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p19612863/forecast.jpg forecast.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom Bickerstaff wrote:
> >
> > Hi folks.
> >
> > I hope someone out there is more knowledgeable about the Yamaha 9.9 than
> I
> > am - I haven't been able to start it for over two weeks and I've tried
> > every
> > day. The battery is fully charged and the electric starter cranks over
> > but
> > other than a cough and a splutter for a few seconds on the very first
> > failed
> > attempt, the engine is not responding. I'm pretty sure the fuel line
> > isn't
> > clogged. If I flooded the engine on the first failure, how long does it
> > remain flooded?
> >
> > HELP!!!!
> >
> > Tom B
> >
> > S/V still un-named
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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> >
> >
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:35:20 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
> Rummy,
>
> Last week I sent an email to Stan for some parts. I also asked him if he
> had a used whisker pole lying around.
>
> Assuming he doesn't have an old one, do you have any recommendations on
> what pole works well with the Rhodes?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lee
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com [mailto:R22RumRunner at aol.com]
> Sent: Mon 9/22/2008 11:33 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
>
>
>
> Lee,
> With a whisker pole you could have left the full 175 genny out and really
> had a ride going wing on wing.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2008 11:08:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:
>
> Paul,
>
> Don't know if this helps but on Saturday I went out single-handed with the
> winds very consistent at about 10 to 10.5 knots.
>
> Board down, traveler centered, full main, poptop up, sheets between inner
> and outer shrouds across the deck, Genoa furled just past the outer shroud
> to
> about 115%. Tiller locked in the center. Heel between 10 and 15 degrees.
> Body weight mostly on windward seat. Chop was only a little more than a
> foot.
> Speed was consistent at just above 4 knots. Tacked and after recovery
> there
> was a 90 degree difference on the compass, which would be exactly 45
> degrees
> into the wind. By that calculation I could have been doing 40 degrees on
> one tack and 50 degrees on the other but it's doubtful. Heel was slightly
> more
> on the starboard tack due to the weight of the motor.
>
> I was a little surprised that the boat would do that well with the poptop
> up, boom up, and without the sheets being ran across the poptop between
> the
> mast and inner shroud. I still believe that in the right conditions the
> boat
> will do better than 40 degrees, although I don't know how much speed would
> be
> lost.
>
> Decided to complete the triangle and sail back to the marina entrance on a
> run with the wind and waves directly behind me. Furled in the Genoa and
> released the boom so it was just touching the shrouds. The loose-footed
> main was
> still pulled flat tight and the inner shroud protruded into the sail. Not
> exactly optimal sail shape for the point-of-sail. Pulled up the
> centerboard.
> Speed was about 5 knots, but I think the waves helped a lot. Sailing with
> just the main is certainly an easy means of sailing with the wind. Tiller
> again was locked to the center and my weight was balanced in the center of
> the
> boat.
>
> Had time to do another triangle so I tried it with the exact same
> conditions
> but with the centerboard up. Compass reading difference was 98 degrees
> and
> speed picked up about 0.3 knots. Heeled increased but less than 5
> degrees.
>
> On a scale of 1 to 10, I hate to rate anthing a 10, so I'll give the
> sailing
> conditions on Saturday a 9.9.
>
> Lee
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Alan Robertson [mailto:bigal_61 at msn.com]
> Sent: Sun 9/21/2008 10:11 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
>
>
>
> I realize that you sail a lot single handed; we don't. The only time we
> can
> point up closer is to run the jib sheets inside of the outmost shrouds,
> sit
> any "friendly" guests over 150 lbs. on the windward side with life
> preservers
> buckled and get THOR IV over on a nice 12-15 degree heel. Anything more or
> any weight on the leeward side means a mop-up job if the non-sailors have
> just
> had lunch!
> Bigal_61 at msn.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Krawitz<mailto:krawitzmail-rhodes22 at yahoo.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:13 AM
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
>
>
> I love the way my Rhodes 22 handles in all points of sail except when it
> is
> close hauled.
> In my narrow harbor, being able to point close to the wind is the
> difference
> between returning home in 30 minutes versus 3 hours.
>
> Now I'm not asking to be able to be 30 degrees off the wind like those two
> guys racing around in a catamaran with no seating and two angled standing
> platforms, and like members of the Joffrey Ballet, gracefully leaping from
> one side to the other, making smooth and instantaneous tacks and traveling
> at 15 knots (no exaggeration).
> (P.S. What is that thing?)
>
> But it would be nice to make 90 degree rather than 110 or 120 degree
> tacks.
>
> Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in which the jib
> sheets travel either inside one or two of the shrouds. But the sail area
> is
> so much smaller with the new system that making headway is difficult.
>
> Furling the genoa jib 50% with the sheets on their normal path outside the
> shrouds seems to be the best compromise, but I'm still 50-60 degrees off
> the
> wind.
>
> I tried tightening the backstays to stiffen up the jib luff. The jib looks
> cleaner, but I'm still too far off the wind.
>
> And yes, the centerboard is down.
>
> What works for you?
>
> Paul K
> "Clarity"
> __________________________________________________
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:51:18 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Medical Findings
> New Medical Findings for Rummy
>
>
> New Medical Findings
>
> A recent study conducted by Harvard University found that the average
> American walks about 900 miles a year.
>
> Another study by the American Medical Association found that Americans
> drink, on average, 22 gallons of alcohol year.
>
> This means, on average, Americans get about 41 miles to the gallon.
>
> Kind of makes me proud to be an American.
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "David Culp" <dculp at hsbtx.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:54:35 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
> Paul:
>
> I have the same issues you do on my narrow lake. However, I have solved a
> lot of it by sheeting inside the upper shrouds. Last year, I did some
> calculations on jib area and I found that if I tighten the jibup and extend
> it fully to the eye and cleat that I have close to 150% jib area, which is
> a
> nice foresail. Some Rhodies only have hank on jibs that are 160 %.
>
> Yesterday with about 7 - 8 knots of wind max, I needed to point as close as
> possible to get home. I built a bunch of belly into the loose-footed IMF
> main with the topping lift, tightened up the leech lines on both sails, put
> the traveler to windward, CB down and even in slack winds made good speed
> while pointing about 45 degrees maybe a bit closer. Big improvement over
> what I use to do which was carry the jib sheets outside the uppers and then
> just unfurl the most jib I could get away with depending on the wind
> strength and then just accepting whatever terrible sail shape I got. I do
> a
> lot fewer tacks now getting home and it saves a lot of time. Of course
> there is no free lunch. You have to be very careful when tacking with all
> that jib rolled out and the sheets between the shrouds. It still gets me
> occasionally that I don't get the jib tighten down quickly enough before
> the
> wind fills it and it gets pinched on the upper shroud. Then you have to
> come up on the wind to un-hang it killing your forward speed. But with
> some
> practice, I have learned to do it right most of the time and it is quite
> safisfying and efficient when you time everything just right. Of course,
> as
> the wind strengthens, then I start reducing the jib area and getting it
> pinched is not as a much a problem.
>
> Sincerely,
> David Culp
>
>
>
>
> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:11:59 -0400
> From: "Alan Robertson" <bigal_61 at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID: <BLU130-DAV1042854CDD4487B28716B4FC4B0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I realize that you sail a lot single handed; we don't. The only time we can
> point up closer is to run the jib sheets inside of the outmost shrouds, sit
> any "friendly" guests over 150 lbs. on the windward side with life
> preservers buckled and get THOR IV over on a nice 12-15 degree heel.
> Anything more or any weight on the leeward side means a mop-up job if the
> non-sailors have just had lunch!
> Bigal_61 at msn.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Krawitz<mailto:krawitzmail-rhodes22 at yahoo.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:13 AM
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
>
>
> I love the way my Rhodes 22 handles in all points of sail except when it
> is
> close hauled.
> In my narrow harbor, being able to point close to the wind is the
> difference
> between returning home in 30 minutes versus 3 hours.
>
> Now I'm not asking to be able to be 30 degrees off the wind like those two
> guys racing around in a catamaran with no seating and two angled standing
> platforms, and like members of the Joffrey Ballet, gracefully leaping from
> one side to the other, making smooth and instantaneous tacks and traveling
> at 15 knots (no exaggeration).
> (P.S. What is that thing?)
>
> But it would be nice to make 90 degree rather than 110 or 120 degree
> tacks.
>
> Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in which the jib
> sheets travel either inside one or two of the shrouds. But the sail area
> is
> so much smaller with the new system that making headway is difficult.
>
> Furling the genoa jib 50% with the sheets on their normal path outside the
> shrouds seems to be the best compromise, but I'm still 50-60 degrees off
> the
> wind.
>
> I tried tightening the backstays to stiffen up the jib luff. The jib looks
> cleaner, but I'm still too far off the wind.
>
> And yes, the centerboard is down.
>
> What works for you?
>
> Paul K
> "Clarity"
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: MichaelT <mticse at gmail.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:55:54 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
>
> Thanks Rummy. From what I can tell its the original jib sail. Born in 1987
> :).
> In looking at old receipts from the original owner, the main sail was
> replaced in 1997. But not sure if the jib sail was also. Is there a way to
> verify?
>
> So if someone has a blownout sail, can Sailcare take care of this or is a
> new sail in order?
>
> Michael
>
>
> R22RumRunner wrote:
> >
> > Michael,
> > Cross sheeting is very handy when sailing in wind or single handing. You
> > bring the genoa sheet around the lower winch and then bring it up to the
> > windward winch. It makes the sheet easily accesible and gives you an easy
> > way to
> > tighten the sheet without having to use the winch handle. With the sheet
> > snugged
> > down into the cleat, simply pull on the sheet between the two winches
> and
> > then take up the slack on the side where it's attached to the cleat.
> > Sounds like your genny is blown out. What year is your boat? Do you have
> > the
> > 175 genoa?
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/22/2008 1:01:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > mticse at gmail.com writes:
> >
> >
> >
> > Has anyone tried cross-sheeting? Can someone explain?
> >
> > I saw a note on this in What's New in rhodes.org.
> > http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/tack1.html
> >
> > I'm also unable to go closed haul and thinking that its my jib sail as i
> > notice a deep concave shape in the sail.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > Leland wrote:
> >>
> >> Paul,
> >>
> >> I posted this back in September 2007:
> >>
> >>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> >> ____
> >>
> >> Jack,
> >>
> >> I stand corrected. I actually can point that high. And I'm not that
> >> good
> >> of a sailor.
> >>
> >> Went sailing this afternoon. True wind was exactly 12 knots from the
> >> south
> >> just before I put the sails up and exactly 12 knots from the south just
> >> after I furled them in. Apparent wind fluctuated between 10 and 15
> >> knots.
> >> Small craft advisory due to the chop, which was about 3 feet in most
> >> areas.
> >>
> >> Boom down. Full main. Genoa sheets ran across the cabin top which
> >> brought
> >> the tip of the clew to the forward shrouds (about 85% reefed). Board
> >> down.
> >> Traveler centered but pulled so tight the end of the boom was less
> than
> >> 12"
> >> from the traveler.
> >>
> >> Port tack on a close reach at 240 degrees with a 10 to 15 degree heel
> >> going
> >> about 3.5 to 4 knots with the tiller locked at about 3 degrees to the
> >> leeward side. Starboard tack at on a close reach at 150 degrees with a
> >> 15
> >> to 20 degree heel (stupid 130 lb. outboard) going about 3.5 to 4 knots
> >> with
> >> the tiller locked at about 3 degrees to the leeward side. 240 minus
> 150
> >> equals 90 divided by 2 would be 45 degrees into the wind, but that was
> >> on a
> >> close reach, not on a beat, close-hauled. I easily got another 5
> >> degrees
> >> without luffing the sails on a beat.
> >>
> >> Considering the amount of wind and chop, I think the Rhodes22 will
> >> point
> >> better than 40 degrees with a little less wind and a lot less chop.
> >>
> >> One other minor factor. I was single-handling so I only had 180 lbs.
> of
> >> human ballast. Okay, maybe 190 lbs., but I was standing most of the
> >> time as
> >> opposed to sitting or hiking-out.
> >>
> >> We really do have a well-designed sailboat.
> >>
> >> Lee
> >>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> >> ____
> >>
> >> "Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in which the
> >> jib
> >>> sheets travel either inside one or two of the shrouds. But the sail
> >> area is
> >>> so much smaller with the new system that making headway is difficult."
> >>
> >> I'm still relatively inexperienced so I would appreciate input from
> more
> >> experienced sailors. You have your centerboard down which is
> important,
> >> however I believe it is even more important to run your sheets as close
> >> to the mast as possible. If you run your sheets between the shrouds,
> >> you can pull the Genoa quite a way back behind the outer shroud for a
> >> lot of sail area. If you run your sheets between the mast and inner
> >> shroud, you can still make your Genoa slightly larger than 100%.
> >>
> >> I've never measured it, but I don't think I can get 45 degrees if the
> >> wind is less than 5 knots. In light wind I start out on a beam reach
> >> and inch my way into the wind until my speed starts to slow. At that
> >> point I'd rather go fast than make headway. If you really need to make
> >> headway, there's no shame in taking Bill's advice and firing up the
> >> iron
> >> genny.
> >>
> >> Good luck!
> >>
> >> Lee
> >> 1986 Rhodes22 At Ease
> >> Kent Island, MD
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Bill Effros [mailto:bill at effros.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:56 AM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
> >>
> >> Paul,
> >>
> >> Does your boat have a motor?
> >>
> >> Bill Effros
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Paul Krawitz wrote:
> >>> I love the way my Rhodes 22 handles in all points of sail except when
> >> it is
> >>> close hauled.
> >>> In my narrow harbor, being able to point close to the wind is the
> >> difference
> >>> between returning home in 30 minutes versus 3 hours.
> >>>
> >>> Now I'm not asking to be able to be 30 degrees off the wind like those
> >> two
> >>> guys racing around in a catamaran with no seating and two angled
> >> standing
> >>> platforms, and like members of the Joffrey Ballet, gracefully leaping
> >> from
> >>> one side to the other, making smooth and instantaneous tacks and
> >> traveling
> >>> at 15 knots (no exaggeration).
> >>> (P.S. What is that thing?)
> >>>
> >>> But it would be nice to make 90 degree rather than 110 or 120 degree
> >> tacks.
> >>>
> >>> Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in which the
> >> jib
> >>> sheets travel either inside one or two of the shrouds. But the sail
> >> area is
> >>> so much smaller with the new system that making headway is difficult.
> >>>
> >>> Furling the genoa jib 50% with the sheets on their normal path outside
> >> the
> >>> shrouds seems to be the best compromise, but I'm still 50-60 degrees
> >> off the
> >>> wind.
> >>>
> >>> I tried tightening the backstays to stiffen up the jib luff. The jib
> >> looks
> >>> cleaner, but I'm still too far off the wind.
> >>>
> >>> And yes, the centerboard is down.
> >>>
> >>> What works for you?
> >>>
> >>> Paul K
> >>> "Clarity"
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to
> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
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>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:44:03 EDT
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Was Pointing Problem/ Now whisker pole
> recommendation.
> Lee,
> Captain Keller and I both use the Forespar small twist lock pole that goes
> from 6 to 12 feet. It has a snap lock on one end (boat end) and a spike on
> the
> sail end. It is relatively inexpensive so if you lose it overboard or
> happen
> to break it the pain of replacing it won't be so great.
> Forespar part # 406000
> WM part # 111179
> Back when I bought mine they were around $125.00. Now they are closer to
> $150.00, but it really is a worthwhile expenditure. Everyone knows I don't
> go
> for the gadgets because they either break or are in the way, but this is
> one
> piece of hardware I use a lot. It will store nicely in the storage
> compartments
> on either side of the V berth.
> I placed a hook on the front of the mast, but have never used it. I usually
> attach it to a lower part of a shroud which is more easily accessible from
> the
> cockpit when under sail. I find it to be fun to experiment with. It really
> stretches out the 175 and makes it an awesome sight going wing on wing. Try
> that in 10 mile an hour winds and you will understand what extreme sailing
> is
> all about. I have actually buried the bow before I was able to release
> everything and turn upwind. Washed the decks clean and even cleaned the
> carpet in
> the cabin. :)
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2008 1:39:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:
>
> Rummy,
>
> Last week I sent an email to Stan for some parts. I also asked him if he
> had a used whisker pole lying around.
>
> Assuming he doesn't have an old one, do you have any recommendations on
> what
> pole works well with the Rhodes?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lee
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com [mailto:R22RumRunner at aol.com]
> Sent: Mon 9/22/2008 11:33 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
>
>
>
> Lee,
> With a whisker pole you could have left the full 175 genny out and really
> had a ride going wing on wing.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2008 11:08:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:
>
> Paul,
>
> Don't know if this helps but on Saturday I went out single-handed with
> the
> winds very consistent at about 10 to 10.5 knots.
>
> Board down, traveler centered, full main, poptop up, sheets between
> inner
> and outer shrouds across the deck, Genoa furled just past the outer
> shroud
> to
> about 115%. Tiller locked in the center. Heel between 10 and 15
> degrees.
> Body weight mostly on windward seat. Chop was only a little more than a
> foot.
> Speed was consistent at just above 4 knots. Tacked and after recovery
> there
> was a 90 degree difference on the compass, which would be exactly 45
> degrees
> into the wind. By that calculation I could have been doing 40 degrees on
> one tack and 50 degrees on the other but it's doubtful. Heel was
> slightly
> more
> on the starboard tack due to the weight of the motor.
>
> I was a little surprised that the boat would do that well with the poptop
> up, boom up, and without the sheets being ran across the poptop between
> the
> mast and inner shroud. I still believe that in the right conditions the
> boat
> will do better than 40 degrees, although I don't know how much speed
> would
> be
> lost.
>
> Decided to complete the triangle and sail back to the marina entrance on
> a
> run with the wind and waves directly behind me. Furled in the Genoa and
> released the boom so it was just touching the shrouds. The loose-footed
> main was
> still pulled flat tight and the inner shroud protruded into the sail.
> Not
> exactly optimal sail shape for the point-of-sail. Pulled up the
> centerboard.
> Speed was about 5 knots, but I think the waves helped a lot. Sailing
> with
> just the main is certainly an easy means of sailing with the wind.
> Tiller
> again was locked to the center and my weight was balanced in the center
> of
> the
> boat.
>
> Had time to do another triangle so I tried it with the exact same
> conditions
> but with the centerboard up. Compass reading difference was 98 degrees
> and
> speed picked up about 0.3 knots. Heeled increased but less than 5
> degrees.
>
> On a scale of 1 to 10, I hate to rate anthing a 10, so I'll give the
> sailing
> conditions on Saturday a 9.9.
>
> Lee
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Alan Robertson [mailto:bigal_61 at msn.com]
> Sent: Sun 9/21/2008 10:11 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
>
>
>
> I realize that you sail a lot single handed; we don't. The only time we
> can
> point up closer is to run the jib sheets inside of the outmost shrouds,
> sit
> any "friendly" guests over 150 lbs. on the windward side with life
> preservers
> buckled and get THOR IV over on a nice 12-15 degree heel. Anything more
> or
> any weight on the leeward side means a mop-up job if the non-sailors have
> just
> had lunch!
> Bigal_61 at msn.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Krawitz<mailto:krawitzmail-rhodes22 at yahoo.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:13 AM
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
>
>
> I love the way my Rhodes 22 handles in all points of sail except when it
> is
> close hauled.
> In my narrow harbor, being able to point close to the wind is the
> difference
> between returning home in 30 minutes versus 3 hours.
>
> Now I'm not asking to be able to be 30 degrees off the wind like those
> two
> guys racing around in a catamaran with no seating and two angled standing
> platforms, and like members of the Joffrey Ballet, gracefully leaping
> from
> one side to the other, making smooth and instantaneous tacks and
> traveling
> at 15 knots (no exaggeration).
> (P.S. What is that thing?)
>
> But it would be nice to make 90 degree rather than 110 or 120 degree
> tacks.
>
> Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in which the jib
> sheets travel either inside one or two of the shrouds. But the sail area
> is
> so much smaller with the new system that making headway is difficult.
>
> Furling the genoa jib 50% with the sheets on their normal path outside
> the
> shrouds seems to be the best compromise, but I'm still 50-60 degrees off
> the
> wind.
>
> I tried tightening the backstays to stiffen up the jib luff. The jib
> looks
> cleaner, but I'm still too far off the wind.
>
> And yes, the centerboard is down.
>
> What works for you?
>
> Paul K
> "Clarity"
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/list<http://www.rhodes22.org/list>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:46:53 EDT
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Medical Findings
> Gee Art, I wish I was getting that kind of mileage, but I'm not. I'm
> probably closer to 17.3 miles per gallon. That's based on average
> consumption of one
> gallon per week. I would have to allow for more during the summer sailing
> months. Remember, your mileage may vary.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2008 1:52:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> czerwonky at earthlink.net writes:
>
> New Medical Findings for Rummy
>
>
> New Medical Findings
>
> A recent study conducted by Harvard University found that the average
> American walks about 900 miles a year.
>
> Another study by the American Medical Association found that Americans
> drink, on average, 22 gallons of alcohol year.
>
> This means, on average, Americans get about 41 miles to the gallon.
>
> Kind of makes me proud to be an American.
> __________________________________________________
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:52:05 EDT
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
> Michael,
> If it is the original genoa, it's probably made by Lee sails? That's who
> was
> making them for GB at that time. I still have my original 1988 Lee genoa
> and
> she works well, but is beginning to show her age. I've had several seams re
> sewn over the years.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2008 1:56:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> mticse at gmail.com writes:
>
>
> Thanks Rummy. From what I can tell its the original jib sail. Born in 1987
> :).
> In looking at old receipts from the original owner, the main sail was
> replaced in 1997. But not sure if the jib sail was also. Is there a way to
> verify?
>
> So if someone has a blownout sail, can Sailcare take care of this or is a
> new sail in order?
>
> Michael
>
>
> R22RumRunner wrote:
> >
> > Michael,
> > Cross sheeting is very handy when sailing in wind or single handing. You
> > bring the genoa sheet around the lower winch and then bring it up to the
> > windward winch. It makes the sheet easily accesible and gives you an
> easy
> > way to
> > tighten the sheet without having to use the winch handle. With the sheet
> > snugged
> > down into the cleat, simply pull on the sheet between the two winches
> and
> > then take up the slack on the side where it's attached to the cleat.
> > Sounds like your genny is blown out. What year is your boat? Do you have
> > the
> > 175 genoa?
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/22/2008 1:01:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > mticse at gmail.com writes:
> >
> >
> >
> > Has anyone tried cross-sheeting? Can someone explain?
> >
> > I saw a note on this in What's New in rhodes.org.
> > http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/tack1.html
> >
> > I'm also unable to go closed haul and thinking that its my jib sail as
> i
> > notice a deep concave shape in the sail.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > Leland wrote:
> >>
> >> Paul,
> >>
> >> I posted this back in September 2007:
> >>
> >>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> >> ____
> >>
> >> Jack,
> >>
> >> I stand corrected. I actually can point that high. And I'm not that
> >> good
> >> of a sailor.
> >>
> >> Went sailing this afternoon. True wind was exactly 12 knots from the
> >> south
> >> just before I put the sails up and exactly 12 knots from the south
> just
> >> after I furled them in. Apparent wind fluctuated between 10 and 15
> >> knots.
> >> Small craft advisory due to the chop, which was about 3 feet in most
> >> areas.
> >>
> >> Boom down. Full main. Genoa sheets ran across the cabin top which
> >> brought
> >> the tip of the clew to the forward shrouds (about 85% reefed). Board
> >> down.
> >> Traveler centered but pulled so tight the end of the boom was less
> than
> >> 12"
> >> from the traveler.
> >>
> >> Port tack on a close reach at 240 degrees with a 10 to 15 degree heel
> >> going
> >> about 3.5 to 4 knots with the tiller locked at about 3 degrees to the
> >> leeward side. Starboard tack at on a close reach at 150 degrees with
> a
> >> 15
> >> to 20 degree heel (stupid 130 lb. outboard) going about 3.5 to 4 knots
> >> with
> >> the tiller locked at about 3 degrees to the leeward side. 240 minus
> 150
> >> equals 90 divided by 2 would be 45 degrees into the wind, but that was
> >> on a
> >> close reach, not on a beat, close-hauled. I easily got another 5
> >> degrees
> >> without luffing the sails on a beat.
> >>
> >> Considering the amount of wind and chop, I think the Rhodes22 will
> >> point
> >> better than 40 degrees with a little less wind and a lot less chop.
> >>
> >> One other minor factor. I was single-handling so I only had 180 lbs.
> of
> >> human ballast. Okay, maybe 190 lbs., but I was standing most of the
> >> time as
> >> opposed to sitting or hiking-out.
> >>
> >> We really do have a well-designed sailboat.
> >>
> >> Lee
> >>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> >> ____
> >>
> >> "Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in which the
> >> jib
> >>> sheets travel either inside one or two of the shrouds. But the sail
> >> area is
> >>> so much smaller with the new system that making headway is
> difficult."
> >>
> >> I'm still relatively inexperienced so I would appreciate input from
> more
> >> experienced sailors. You have your centerboard down which is
> important,
> >> however I believe it is even more important to run your sheets as
> close
> >> to the mast as possible. If you run your sheets between the shrouds,
> >> you can pull the Genoa quite a way back behind the outer shroud for a
> >> lot of sail area. If you run your sheets between the mast and inner
> >> shroud, you can still make your Genoa slightly larger than 100%.
> >>
> >> I've never measured it, but I don't think I can get 45 degrees if the
> >> wind is less than 5 knots. In light wind I start out on a beam reach
> >> and inch my way into the wind until my speed starts to slow. At that
> >> point I'd rather go fast than make headway. If you really need to
> make
> >> headway, there's no shame in taking Bill's advice and firing up the
> >> iron
> >> genny.
> >>
> >> Good luck!
> >>
> >> Lee
> >> 1986 Rhodes22 At Ease
> >> Kent Island, MD
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Bill Effros [mailto:bill at effros.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:56 AM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
> >>
> >> Paul,
> >>
> >> Does your boat have a motor?
> >>
> >> Bill Effros
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Paul Krawitz wrote:
> >>> I love the way my Rhodes 22 handles in all points of sail except when
> >> it is
> >>> close hauled.
> >>> In my narrow harbor, being able to point close to the wind is the
> >> difference
> >>> between returning home in 30 minutes versus 3 hours.
> >>>
> >>> Now I'm not asking to be able to be 30 degrees off the wind like
> those
> >> two
> >>> guys racing around in a catamaran with no seating and two angled
> >> standing
> >>> platforms, and like members of the Joffrey Ballet, gracefully
> leaping
> >> from
> >>> one side to the other, making smooth and instantaneous tacks and
> >> traveling
> >>> at 15 knots (no exaggeration).
> >>> (P.S. What is that thing?)
> >>>
> >>> But it would be nice to make 90 degree rather than 110 or 120 degree
> >> tacks.
> >>>
> >>> Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in which the
> >> jib
> >>> sheets travel either inside one or two of the shrouds. But the sail
> >> area is
> >>> so much smaller with the new system that making headway is difficult.
> >>>
> >>> Furling the genoa jib 50% with the sheets on their normal path
> outside
> >> the
> >>> shrouds seems to be the best compromise, but I'm still 50-60 degrees
> >> off the
> >>> wind.
> >>>
> >>> I tried tightening the backstays to stiffen up the jib luff. The jib
> >> looks
> >>> cleaner, but I'm still too far off the wind.
> >>>
> >>> And yes, the centerboard is down.
> >>>
> >>> What works for you?
> >>>
> >>> Paul K
> >>> "Clarity"
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Leland <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:22:10 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Was Pointing Problem/ Now whisker pole
> recommendation.
>
> Rummy,
>
> I've always been attracted to the cheap and easy.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lee
>
>
>
> R22RumRunner wrote:
> >
> > Lee,
> > Captain Keller and I both use the Forespar small twist lock pole that
> goes
> > from 6 to 12 feet. It has a snap lock on one end (boat end) and a spike
> on
> > the
> > sail end. It is relatively inexpensive so if you lose it overboard or
> > happen
> > to break it the pain of replacing it won't be so great.
> > Forespar part # 406000
> > WM part # 111179
> > Back when I bought mine they were around $125.00. Now they are closer to
> > $150.00, but it really is a worthwhile expenditure. Everyone knows I
> don't
> > go
> > for the gadgets because they either break or are in the way, but this is
> > one
> > piece of hardware I use a lot. It will store nicely in the storage
> > compartments
> > on either side of the V berth.
> > I placed a hook on the front of the mast, but have never used it. I
> > usually
> > attach it to a lower part of a shroud which is more easily accessible
> from
> > the
> > cockpit when under sail. I find it to be fun to experiment with. It
> > really
> > stretches out the 175 and makes it an awesome sight going wing on wing.
> > Try
> > that in 10 mile an hour winds and you will understand what extreme
> > sailing is
> > all about. I have actually buried the bow before I was able to release
> > everything and turn upwind. Washed the decks clean and even cleaned the
> > carpet in
> > the cabin. :)
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/22/2008 1:39:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:
> >
> > Rummy,
> >
> > Last week I sent an email to Stan for some parts. I also asked him if
> he
> > had a used whisker pole lying around.
> >
> > Assuming he doesn't have an old one, do you have any recommendations on
> > what
> > pole works well with the Rhodes?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Lee
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com [mailto:R22RumRunner at aol.com]
> > Sent: Mon 9/22/2008 11:33 AM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
> >
> >
> >
> > Lee,
> > With a whisker pole you could have left the full 175 genny out and
> really
> > had a ride going wing on wing.
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/22/2008 11:08:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:
> >
> > Paul,
> >
> > Don't know if this helps but on Saturday I went out single-handed with
> > the
> > winds very consistent at about 10 to 10.5 knots.
> >
> > Board down, traveler centered, full main, poptop up, sheets between
> > inner
> > and outer shrouds across the deck, Genoa furled just past the outer
> > shroud
> > to
> > about 115%. Tiller locked in the center. Heel between 10 and 15
> > degrees.
> > Body weight mostly on windward seat. Chop was only a little more than
> a
> > foot.
> > Speed was consistent at just above 4 knots. Tacked and after recovery
> > there
> > was a 90 degree difference on the compass, which would be exactly 45
> > degrees
> > into the wind. By that calculation I could have been doing 40 degrees
> > on
> > one tack and 50 degrees on the other but it's doubtful. Heel was
> > slightly
> > more
> > on the starboard tack due to the weight of the motor.
> >
> > I was a little surprised that the boat would do that well with the
> > poptop
> > up, boom up, and without the sheets being ran across the poptop between
> > the
> > mast and inner shroud. I still believe that in the right conditions
> the
> > boat
> > will do better than 40 degrees, although I don't know how much speed
> > would
> > be
> > lost.
> >
> > Decided to complete the triangle and sail back to the marina entrance
> on
> > a
> > run with the wind and waves directly behind me. Furled in the Genoa
> and
> > released the boom so it was just touching the shrouds. The
> loose-footed
> > main was
> > still pulled flat tight and the inner shroud protruded into the sail.
> > Not
> > exactly optimal sail shape for the point-of-sail. Pulled up the
> > centerboard.
> > Speed was about 5 knots, but I think the waves helped a lot. Sailing
> > with
> > just the main is certainly an easy means of sailing with the wind.
> > Tiller
> > again was locked to the center and my weight was balanced in the center
> > of
> > the
> > boat.
> >
> > Had time to do another triangle so I tried it with the exact same
> > conditions
> > but with the centerboard up. Compass reading difference was 98 degrees
> > and
> > speed picked up about 0.3 knots. Heeled increased but less than 5
> > degrees.
> >
> > On a scale of 1 to 10, I hate to rate anthing a 10, so I'll give the
> > sailing
> > conditions on Saturday a 9.9.
> >
> > Lee
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: Alan Robertson [mailto:bigal_61 at msn.com]
> > Sent: Sun 9/21/2008 10:11 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
> >
> >
> >
> > I realize that you sail a lot single handed; we don't. The only time we
> > can
> > point up closer is to run the jib sheets inside of the outmost shrouds,
> > sit
> > any "friendly" guests over 150 lbs. on the windward side with life
> > preservers
> > buckled and get THOR IV over on a nice 12-15 degree heel. Anything more
> > or
> > any weight on the leeward side means a mop-up job if the non-sailors
> > have
> > just
> > had lunch!
> > Bigal_61 at msn.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Paul Krawitz<mailto:krawitzmail-rhodes22 at yahoo.com>
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:13 AM
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
> >
> >
> > I love the way my Rhodes 22 handles in all points of sail except when
> it
> > is
> > close hauled.
> > In my narrow harbor, being able to point close to the wind is the
> > difference
> > between returning home in 30 minutes versus 3 hours.
> >
> > Now I'm not asking to be able to be 30 degrees off the wind like those
> > two
> > guys racing around in a catamaran with no seating and two angled
> > standing
> > platforms, and like members of the Joffrey Ballet, gracefully leaping
> > from
> > one side to the other, making smooth and instantaneous tacks and
> > traveling
> > at 15 knots (no exaggeration).
> > (P.S. What is that thing?)
> >
> > But it would be nice to make 90 degree rather than 110 or 120 degree
> > tacks.
> >
> > Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in which the
> > jib
> > sheets travel either inside one or two of the shrouds. But the sail
> area
> > is
> > so much smaller with the new system that making headway is difficult.
> >
> > Furling the genoa jib 50% with the sheets on their normal path outside
> > the
> > shrouds seems to be the best compromise, but I'm still 50-60 degrees
> off
> > the
> > wind.
> >
> > I tried tightening the backstays to stiffen up the jib luff. The jib
> > looks
> > cleaner, but I'm still too far off the wind.
> >
> > And yes, the centerboard is down.
> >
> > What works for you?
> >
> > Paul K
> > "Clarity"
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