[Rhodes22-list] Was Pointing Problem/ Now whisker pole recommendation.

Leland LKUHN at cnmc.org
Mon Sep 22 15:22:10 EDT 2008


Rummy,

I've always been attracted to the cheap and easy.

Thanks!

Lee



R22RumRunner wrote:
> 
> Lee,
> Captain Keller and I both use the Forespar small twist lock pole that goes  
> from 6 to 12 feet. It has a snap lock on one end (boat end) and a spike on
> the  
> sail end. It is relatively inexpensive so if you lose it overboard or
> happen 
> to  break it the pain of replacing it won't be so great. 
> Forespar part # 406000
> WM part # 111179
> Back when I bought mine they were around $125.00. Now they are closer to  
> $150.00, but it really is a worthwhile expenditure. Everyone knows I don't
> go  
> for the gadgets because they either break or are in the way, but this is
> one  
> piece of hardware I use a lot. It will store nicely in the storage
> compartments  
> on either side of the V berth.
> I placed a hook on the front of the mast, but have never used it. I
> usually  
> attach it to a lower part of a shroud which is more easily accessible from
> the 
>  cockpit when under sail. I find it to be fun to experiment with. It
> really  
> stretches out the 175 and makes it an awesome sight going wing on wing.
> Try 
> that  in 10 mile an hour winds and you will understand what extreme
> sailing is 
> all  about. I have actually buried the bow before I was able to release 
> everything  and turn upwind. Washed the decks clean and even cleaned the
> carpet in 
> the  cabin. :) 
>  
> Rummy
>  
>  
> In a message dated 9/22/2008 1:39:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:
> 
> Rummy,
> 
> Last week I sent an email to Stan for some parts.  I  also asked him if he 
> had a used whisker pole lying around.
> 
> Assuming he  doesn't have an old one, do you have any recommendations on
> what 
> pole works  well with the  Rhodes?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Lee
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From:  R22RumRunner at aol.com [mailto:R22RumRunner at aol.com]
> Sent: Mon 9/22/2008  11:33 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Pointing Problem
> 
> 
> 
> Lee,
> With a whisker pole you could have  left the full 175 genny out and really 
> had a ride going wing on  wing.
> 
> Rummy
> 
> 
> In a message dated 9/22/2008 11:08:26 A.M.  Eastern Daylight Time, 
> LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:
> 
> Paul,
> 
> Don't  know if this helps but on Saturday I went out  single-handed with 
> the
> winds very consistent at about 10 to 10.5  knots.
> 
> Board  down, traveler centered, full main, poptop up, sheets  between 
> inner
> and outer shrouds across the deck, Genoa furled just past the   outer
> shroud 
> to
> about 115%.  Tiller locked in the center.   Heel  between 10 and 15
> degrees. 
> Body weight mostly on windward  seat.   Chop was only a little more than a 
> foot. 
> Speed was  consistent at just  above 4 knots.  Tacked and after recovery  
> there
> was a 90 degree  difference on the compass, which would be  exactly 45
> degrees
> into the  wind.  By that calculation I could  have been doing 40 degrees
> on
> one tack  and 50 degrees on the other  but it's doubtful.  Heel was
> slightly 
> more
> on  the starboard tack  due to the weight of the motor.
> 
> I was a little  surprised that the  boat would do that well with the
> poptop
> up, boom up, and  without the  sheets being ran across the poptop between
> the
> mast and inner   shroud.  I still believe that in the right conditions the 
> boat
> will  do  better than 40 degrees, although I don't know how much speed
> would 
> be  
> lost.
> 
> Decided to complete the triangle and sail back to the  marina  entrance on
> a
> run with the wind and waves directly behind  me.  Furled in  the Genoa and
> released the boom so it was just  touching the shrouds.  The  loose-footed 
> main was
> still pulled  flat tight and the inner shroud protruded  into the sail.  
> Not
> exactly optimal sail shape for the  point-of-sail.  Pulled up  the 
> centerboard. 
> Speed was about 5 knots,  but I think the waves  helped a lot.  Sailing
> with
> just the main is  certainly an easy  means of sailing with the wind. 
> Tiller
> again was  locked to the  center and my weight was balanced in the center
> of 
> the 
> boat.
> 
> Had  time to do another triangle so I tried it with the exact same   
> conditions
> but with the centerboard up.  Compass reading difference  was  98 degrees
> and
> speed picked up about 0.3 knots.  Heeled  increased but  less than 5
> degrees.
> 
> On a scale of 1 to 10, I hate  to rate anthing a  10, so I'll give the
> sailing
> conditions on Saturday  a   9.9.
> 
> Lee
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From:   Alan Robertson [mailto:bigal_61 at msn.com]
> Sent: Sun 9/21/2008 10:11   PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Pointing  Problem
> 
> 
> 
> I realize that you sail a lot single  handed; we don't.  The only time we
> can
> point up closer is to run the  jib sheets inside of the  outmost shrouds,
> sit
> any "friendly" guests  over 150 lbs. on the windward side  with life 
> preservers
> buckled and  get THOR IV over on a nice 12-15 degree heel.  Anything more
> or
> any  weight on the leeward side means a mop-up job if the  non-sailors
> have  
> just
> had lunch!
> Bigal_61 at msn.com
> 
> ----- Original  Message  -----
> From: Paul   Krawitz<mailto:krawitzmail-rhodes22 at yahoo.com>
> To:   rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent:  Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:13 AM
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list]  Pointing  Problem
> 
> 
> I love the way my Rhodes 22 handles in all  points of  sail except when it
> is
> close hauled.
> In my  narrow harbor, being  able to point close to the wind is the  
> difference
> between returning  home in 30 minutes versus 3  hours.
> 
> Now I'm not asking to be able  to be 30 degrees off the  wind like those
> two
> guys racing around in a  catamaran with no  seating and two angled
> standing
> platforms, and like  members of the  Joffrey Ballet, gracefully leaping
> from
> one side to  the other,  making smooth and instantaneous tacks and
> traveling
> at 15  knots (no  exaggeration).
> (P.S. What is that thing?)
> 
> But it  would  be nice to make 90 degree rather than 110 or 120 degree 
> tacks.
> 
> Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in  which the 
> jib
> sheets travel either inside one or two of the shrouds.  But the  sail area
> is
> so much smaller with the new system that making  headway  is difficult.
> 
> Furling the genoa jib 50% with the sheets  on their  normal path outside
> the
> shrouds seems to be the best  compromise, but  I'm still 50-60 degrees off
> the
> wind.
> 
> I  tried  tightening the backstays to stiffen up the jib luff. The jib 
> looks
> cleaner, but I'm still too far off the wind.
> 
> And yes,  the  centerboard is down.
> 
> What works for you?
> 
> Paul   K
> "Clarity"
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