[Rhodes22-list] Was Pointing Problem/ Now whisker pole recommendation.

Leland LKUHN at cnmc.org
Wed Sep 24 08:38:37 EDT 2008


Mike,

If you don't want to pay $20 for shipping, take a copy of the ad for the
Defender whisker pole, or use this one:

http://http://mauriprosailing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=FOR406000&Category_Code=FORHEA
http://http://mauriprosailing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=FOR406000&Category_Code=FORHEA 

to West Marine.  As long as the competitor's price isn't less than West
Marine's cost, they'll match it.  Last night I took the mauriprosailing ad
to West Marine and after taxes it saved me $30.

I have yet to find any ad less than West Marine's cost, just like I have yet
to find any competitor's price higher than West Marine's retail price tag.

It only saves you money if you don't buy a bunch of other crap when you go
into the store.

Lee



Mike Cheung wrote:
> 
> Defender has that whisher pole for $117.  I'm thinking of ordering one for
> Muireann.
> 
> Mike Cheung s/v Muireann 1993/2008 Rhodes 22
> 
> 
> R22RumRunner wrote:
>> 
>> Lee,
>> Captain Keller and I both use the Forespar small twist lock pole that
>> goes  
>> from 6 to 12 feet. It has a snap lock on one end (boat end) and a spike
>> on the  
>> sail end. It is relatively inexpensive so if you lose it overboard or
>> happen 
>> to  break it the pain of replacing it won't be so great. 
>> Forespar part # 406000
>> WM part # 111179
>> Back when I bought mine they were around $125.00. Now they are closer to  
>> $150.00, but it really is a worthwhile expenditure. Everyone knows I
>> don't go  
>> for the gadgets because they either break or are in the way, but this is
>> one  
>> piece of hardware I use a lot. It will store nicely in the storage
>> compartments  
>> on either side of the V berth.
>> I placed a hook on the front of the mast, but have never used it. I
>> usually  
>> attach it to a lower part of a shroud which is more easily accessible
>> from the 
>>  cockpit when under sail. I find it to be fun to experiment with. It
>> really  
>> stretches out the 175 and makes it an awesome sight going wing on wing.
>> Try 
>> that  in 10 mile an hour winds and you will understand what extreme
>> sailing is 
>> all  about. I have actually buried the bow before I was able to release 
>> everything  and turn upwind. Washed the decks clean and even cleaned the
>> carpet in 
>> the  cabin. :) 
>>  
>> Rummy
>>  
>>  
>> In a message dated 9/22/2008 1:39:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
>> LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:
>> 
>> Rummy,
>> 
>> Last week I sent an email to Stan for some parts.  I  also asked him if
>> he 
>> had a used whisker pole lying around.
>> 
>> Assuming he  doesn't have an old one, do you have any recommendations on
>> what 
>> pole works  well with the  Rhodes?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Lee
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> 
>> From:  R22RumRunner at aol.com [mailto:R22RumRunner at aol.com]
>> Sent: Mon 9/22/2008  11:33 AM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Pointing Problem
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Lee,
>> With a whisker pole you could have  left the full 175 genny out and
>> really 
>> had a ride going wing on  wing.
>> 
>> Rummy
>> 
>> 
>> In a message dated 9/22/2008 11:08:26 A.M.  Eastern Daylight Time, 
>> LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:
>> 
>> Paul,
>> 
>> Don't  know if this helps but on Saturday I went out  single-handed with 
>> the
>> winds very consistent at about 10 to 10.5  knots.
>> 
>> Board  down, traveler centered, full main, poptop up, sheets  between 
>> inner
>> and outer shrouds across the deck, Genoa furled just past the   outer
>> shroud 
>> to
>> about 115%.  Tiller locked in the center.   Heel  between 10 and 15
>> degrees. 
>> Body weight mostly on windward  seat.   Chop was only a little more than
>> a 
>> foot. 
>> Speed was  consistent at just  above 4 knots.  Tacked and after recovery  
>> there
>> was a 90 degree  difference on the compass, which would be  exactly 45
>> degrees
>> into the  wind.  By that calculation I could  have been doing 40 degrees
>> on
>> one tack  and 50 degrees on the other  but it's doubtful.  Heel was
>> slightly 
>> more
>> on  the starboard tack  due to the weight of the motor.
>> 
>> I was a little  surprised that the  boat would do that well with the
>> poptop
>> up, boom up, and  without the  sheets being ran across the poptop between
>> the
>> mast and inner   shroud.  I still believe that in the right conditions
>> the 
>> boat
>> will  do  better than 40 degrees, although I don't know how much speed
>> would 
>> be  
>> lost.
>> 
>> Decided to complete the triangle and sail back to the  marina  entrance
>> on a
>> run with the wind and waves directly behind  me.  Furled in  the Genoa
>> and
>> released the boom so it was just  touching the shrouds.  The 
>> loose-footed 
>> main was
>> still pulled  flat tight and the inner shroud protruded  into the sail.  
>> Not
>> exactly optimal sail shape for the  point-of-sail.  Pulled up  the 
>> centerboard. 
>> Speed was about 5 knots,  but I think the waves  helped a lot.  Sailing
>> with
>> just the main is  certainly an easy  means of sailing with the wind. 
>> Tiller
>> again was  locked to the  center and my weight was balanced in the center
>> of 
>> the 
>> boat.
>> 
>> Had  time to do another triangle so I tried it with the exact same   
>> conditions
>> but with the centerboard up.  Compass reading difference  was  98 degrees
>> and
>> speed picked up about 0.3 knots.  Heeled  increased but  less than 5
>> degrees.
>> 
>> On a scale of 1 to 10, I hate  to rate anthing a  10, so I'll give the
>> sailing
>> conditions on Saturday  a   9.9.
>> 
>> Lee
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> 
>> From:   Alan Robertson [mailto:bigal_61 at msn.com]
>> Sent: Sun 9/21/2008 10:11   PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Pointing  Problem
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I realize that you sail a lot single  handed; we don't.  The only time we
>> can
>> point up closer is to run the  jib sheets inside of the  outmost shrouds,
>> sit
>> any "friendly" guests  over 150 lbs. on the windward side  with life 
>> preservers
>> buckled and  get THOR IV over on a nice 12-15 degree heel.  Anything more
>> or
>> any  weight on the leeward side means a mop-up job if the  non-sailors
>> have  
>> just
>> had lunch!
>> Bigal_61 at msn.com
>> 
>> ----- Original  Message  -----
>> From: Paul   Krawitz<mailto:krawitzmail-rhodes22 at yahoo.com>
>> To:   rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent:  Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:13 AM
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list]  Pointing  Problem
>> 
>> 
>> I love the way my Rhodes 22 handles in all  points of  sail except when
>> it is
>> close hauled.
>> In my  narrow harbor, being  able to point close to the wind is the  
>> difference
>> between returning  home in 30 minutes versus 3  hours.
>> 
>> Now I'm not asking to be able  to be 30 degrees off the  wind like those
>> two
>> guys racing around in a  catamaran with no  seating and two angled
>> standing
>> platforms, and like  members of the  Joffrey Ballet, gracefully leaping
>> from
>> one side to  the other,  making smooth and instantaneous tacks and
>> traveling
>> at 15  knots (no  exaggeration).
>> (P.S. What is that thing?)
>> 
>> But it  would  be nice to make 90 degree rather than 110 or 120 degree 
>> tacks.
>> 
>> Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in  which the 
>> jib
>> sheets travel either inside one or two of the shrouds.  But the  sail
>> area is
>> so much smaller with the new system that making  headway  is difficult.
>> 
>> Furling the genoa jib 50% with the sheets  on their  normal path outside
>> the
>> shrouds seems to be the best  compromise, but  I'm still 50-60 degrees
>> off the
>> wind.
>> 
>> I  tried  tightening the backstays to stiffen up the jib luff. The jib 
>> looks
>> cleaner, but I'm still too far off the wind.
>> 
>> And yes,  the  centerboard is down.
>> 
>> What works for you?
>> 
>> Paul   K
>> "Clarity"
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