[Rhodes22-list] communication leaks

[Hank]

Leland,

My boat definitely DID have a connection.  I used to get problems with heavy
rains overpowering the cockpit drains on the seats and then flooding the laz
where it then ran into the cabin.  I would drain the cabin and Viola! no
water in the laz!  I fixed this problem by enlarging the cockpit drains.

Hank

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Leland <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:

>
> Rob,
>
> I've always assumed there is no connection between the lazarette and the
> bilge because I'll frequently get water in either one without getting it in
> the other.
>
> The GBI website states:
>
> "Instead, a separate mold creates a cockpit floor that extends the full
> width of the boat with the aft end turning up to form a Lazaret."
>
> and
>
> "The area in the large enclosed locking lazaret is not self-bailing."
>
> Neither of those statements say the lazarette does not connect to the
> bilge,
> but if the cockpit doesn't drain to the bilge and it's part of the same
> mold
> as the lazarette, then it seems like the lazarette wouldn't connect to the
> bilge either.  Not sure.
>
> Lee
>
>
>
> Rob Lowe wrote:
> >
> > Joe,
> > So, if I now understand your communication, water that would normally
> > collect in the bilge is collecting under the laz due to the angle at
> > which your boat is currently sitting?  You do seem to have some sort of
> > a crack around the through hull fitting as it enters into the laz and
> > that water is seeping into the laz, which to me would indicate you're
> > got a fair amount of water in there.  I would expect if your to level
> > your boat the water would travel to the bilge?  Lee suggests there is no
> > connection between bilge and laz but I'm not sure that is the case.  I
> > don't believe there is any physical separation between the two.
> >
> > Now I agree that water seeping out of the base of the through hull
> > fitting is of concern, it sounds like there is a crack where the fitting
> > is glassed into the boat and water collecting under it is seeping in.
> > Just my guess. - rob
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Joe Babb
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:24 AM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] communication leaks
> >
> > All,
> > I am reminded of the phrase "what we have here is a failure to
> > communicate" and also Sir Francis Bacon's discussion of pitfalls in
> > communication.
> >
> > I "think" I have resolved my question for the moment.  My concern was
> > that I didn't understand why water should be seeping out at the BASE of
> > the through hull fitting in the lazarette.  I wasn't trying to find out
> > specifically where water was getting into the boat originally.  I was
> > trying to get an answer to why it was seeping at the base of the through
> >
> > hull (he said redundantly, once more).
> >
> > What many folks including Stan missed was my remark that the boat was
> > sitting on a hill with the stern downhill.  I should have shown a
> > picture of the boat, but didn't.  In the pictures of the laz, I should
> > have indicated with an arrow the direction of water flow towards the
> > stern.  But I didn't.  Comments about it not being possible for water to
> >
> > flow from the bilge to the laz made me search in other directions which
> > lead to serious concerns about the cockpit floor.  What was missed was
> > the fact that the boat is sitting on a hill.  So it IS possible for
> > water to flow from the bilge to the laz with the stern downhill.  It
> > just takes its own sweet time about it.  The bilge does communicate with
> >
> > the lazarette and other regions of the boat.  This gives one a common
> > place to sponge up water acquired via any kind of leak, above or below
> > the waterline.  But the boat must be level or nearly so for gravity to
> > do its thing.
> >
> > After talking with Stan I have learned that there is probably nothing
> > abnormal about my situation.  I still think it is screwy that water
> > should seep from where it seeps.  Unless the boat has its nose in the
> > air, like it does now, you'd never see this.  If the water was seeping
> > from an intentional orifice in the laz, I would never have been
> > worried.  As it is, it is possibly because the fiberglass tabbing of the
> >
> > cockpit to the laz floor didn't take just in that one spot.
> >
> > In the course of investigation, though, I did find 4 of the 8 screws
> > holding the table leg flange were stripped.  So I will be repairing
> > that.  But the flange is glued securely to the floor anyhow.  As one
> > person pointed out, this does not mean that water doesn't get in under
> > that flange.  So when I have some time, I'll level the boat and fill the
> >
> > cockpit up and see what happens.
> > Hope all this makes sense.
> > Joe
> >
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