[Rhodes22-list] Blue Heron gets beaded

[TN Rhodey]

Ron,

When boarding a canoe or small dinghy one should avoid stepping on the
gunnel because you will flip the boat or bust the gunnel. This is not true
for R22s.

No worries.

Wally

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Ron Singerman <sail at tds.net> wrote:

> Somewheres in my formative sailing education I was taught that stepping on
> the gunnels for boarding or departure is to be avoided.
>
> Fair winds,
>
> >>ron<<
> S/V Serenity
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "TN Rhodey" <tnrhodey at gmail.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 7:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Blue Heron gets beaded
>
>
> > Rick, My 84 has non-slip on the gunnel area for boarding. This is very
> > handy
> > for stepping aboard. The seats really are slippery and I have considered
> > adding some type of non-skid.
> >
> > Good luck!
> > Wally
> >
> > Please post pictures of the results.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Blue Heron <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Wally,
> >>
> >> I have a friend who has the beading on his gunnels which are broad and
> >> good
> >> for sitting like the R22.  As long as bare leg skin isn't in contact
> with
> >> the beads, it is no different than sitting on smooth paint.  But you
> just
> >> can't slide around which is often what you want to do when sitting on
> the
> >> gunnels.
> >>
> >> As for my gunnels, they will paint an 8 inch patch of beading just
> >> forward
> >> of the winch bases for boarding safety.
> >>
> >> I'm thinking that if anyone does sit on the cockpit seat beading, the
> >> seats
> >> are too low for their bare legs to come in contact with the beading
> >> anyway.
> >> The only risk is someone may sit on the seat wearing a bikini.  On the
> >> other
> >> hand, I haven't had much luck attracting bikinis on my boat lately, so
> >> that
> >> risk may be worth taking.
> >>
> >> Rick
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:42 AM, TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Mike, Your repair looks good. The cockpit table support seems to be a
> >> > common
> >> > source of leaks. I had to repair mine several years ago.
> >> >
> >> > Rick, Non skid seats may be a good idea. We always use the cushions or
> >> > at
> >> > least a throw cushion. Try to find a deck already painted with similar
> >> non
> >> > skid and take a seat? Instead of the entire seat maybe just non-skid a
> >> > small
> >> > area to use for stepping aboard? Good luck.
> >> >
> >> > Wally
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Michael D. Weisner
> >> > <mweisner at ebsmed.com
> >> > >wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Rick,
> >> > >
> >> > > Several years ago I faced a similar problem with the cockpit floor
> of
> >> my
> >> > > '81
> >> > > R22:
> >> > > http://www.nabble.com/leaks-to9963010.html#a9998040
> >> > >
> >> > > The floor had two additional major problems, both responsible for
> the
> >> > > admission of water.  When the boat was new, we witnessed the
> >> development
> >> > of
> >> > > "star burst" patterns of damage in the cockpit floor gelcoat.  They
> >> were
> >> > > circular with radial lines extending 3 to 4 inches from the  center.
> >> >  Over
> >> > > the years, water must have entered the glass layers in the floor
> >> through
> >> > > these defects to cause the second and more serious problem: the
> >> > separation
> >> > > or delamination of the floor components.  The freeze and thaw cycles
> >> > > of
> >> > the
> >> > > NY winter increased the damage to floor, using the trapped water as
> a
> >> > > wedge.
> >> > > This became evident when the floor "oil canned" as a large bubble
> >> formed
> >> > > beneath the upper layers.  This was compounded by the destruction of
> >> the
> >> > > foam below as water continued to pass through the floor, destroying
> >> > > the
> >> > > support system for the cockpit floor.  Eventually, the top layer of
> >> > > the
> >> > > floor cracked and I was able to see into the separated
> >> > > layers directly.
> >> > >
> >> > > I concentrated my efforts on rebuilding the cockpit floor to take
> the
> >> > > punishment that it gets in normal use.  After drilling holes in the
> >> floor
> >> > > to
> >> > > access the internal layers, I spent several months drying out the
> >> > > floor
> >> > > using acetone and fans while keeping water out of the cockpit using
> >> > tarps.
> >> > > I added structural wood supports and plywood to the foam below the
> >> > cockpit.
> >> > > I removed all damaged foam and replaced it.  When the structure
> below
> >> was
> >> > > solid and the floor was dry, I used penetrating epoxy from West
> >> > > Marine
> >> to
> >> > > reattach the layers of glass, compressing the floor down using
> bricks
> >> on
> >> > > wax
> >> > > paper.  Once that the epoxy had cured, I filled the holes and any
> >> > > remaining voids using 105/206/407, finishing flush with the gel
> coat.
> >> > >
> >> > > Because I am not skilled enough with gel coat repairs and wish to
> >> prevent
> >> > a
> >> > > similar failure in the future, I finished the cockpit floor with
> >> > > "Treadmaster Original Smooth Pattern" anti-slip deck covering.  It
> is
> >> > about
> >> > > $150 per 3' x 4' sheet, is 1/8" thick and is secured with water
> proof
> >> > > adhesive.  This restored the cockpit floor, providing a really
> >> > comfortable
> >> > > (on the feet) polymer surface that absorbs shock well and prevent
> >> > > water
> >> > > from
> >> > > entering the floor.
> >> > >
> >> > > After an entire season of use, I can honestly say that it is the
> most
> >> > > comfortable cockpit floor that I have ever felt.  The upkeep is
> easy.
> >> >  The
> >> > > surface is non-skid and soft under foot.  I should have put it in
> >> > > years
> >> > > ago.
> >> > >
> >> > > I attached a photo of the two color flooring installed on my R22
> (the
> >> > link
> >> > > is probably at the very bottom of this email.
> >> > >
> >> > > Mike
> >> > > s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
> >> > >       Nissequogue River, NY
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > From: "Sloop Blue Heron" Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009
> >> > >  > At age 16, Blue Heron is getting her topsides painted over in
> >> Awlgrip.
> >> > > > The
> >> > > > yard has removed all the hardware and has begun repairing water
> >> > > > penetration
> >> > > > damage to the core in many places.  The mast step is pretty
> >> > > > squishy,
> >> so
> >> > > > that
> >> > > > will be rebuilt and re-glassed before painting.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Since the paint will fill in the non-skid patterns in the gelcoat,
> >> the
> >> > > > yard
> >> > > > is going to add glass beads to the paint for painting over the
> >> existing
> >> > > > non-skid areas.  In addition, they will alter the color of the
> >> non-skid
> >> > > so
> >> > > > it is more easily recognized by guests and me during my senior
> >> moments.
> >> > > > The
> >> > > > general color will be "off white" and the non-skid will have a
> >> > > > little
> >> > red
> >> > > > added in to be "moon" in color-sort of a light tan.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > In the cockpit, only the sole and the lazzerette lid has non-skid
> >> now,
> >> > > > which
> >> > > > is handy when messing with the IMF.   The yard suggests painting
> >> > > > all
> >> > the
> >> > > > cockpit seating surface as non-skid for boarding safety.  That
> >> > > > seems
> >> > like
> >> > > > a
> >> > > > good idea to me because, even during the roughest ride, I use the
> >> > > cushions
> >> > > > all the time.  The glass beads ought to help keep the cushions in
> >> > place,
> >> > > > so
> >> > > > it is unlikely anyone will ever sit on the itchy beads.  Does
> >> > > > anyone
> >> > have
> >> > > > any experience with that?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Rick
> >> > > >
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