[Rhodes22-list] Blue Heron gets beaded

Ron Singerman sail at tds.net
Fri Feb 6 08:44:44 EST 2009 

Somewheres in my formative sailing education I was taught that stepping on 
the gunnels for boarding or departure is to be avoided.

Fair winds,

>>ron<<
S/V Serenity

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "TN Rhodey" <tnrhodey at gmail.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Blue Heron gets beaded


> Rick, My 84 has non-slip on the gunnel area for boarding. This is very 
> handy
> for stepping aboard. The seats really are slippery and I have considered
> adding some type of non-skid.
>
> Good luck!
> Wally
>
> Please post pictures of the results.
>
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Blue Heron <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> Wally,
>>
>> I have a friend who has the beading on his gunnels which are broad and 
>> good
>> for sitting like the R22.  As long as bare leg skin isn't in contact with
>> the beads, it is no different than sitting on smooth paint.  But you just
>> can't slide around which is often what you want to do when sitting on the
>> gunnels.
>>
>> As for my gunnels, they will paint an 8 inch patch of beading just 
>> forward
>> of the winch bases for boarding safety.
>>
>> I'm thinking that if anyone does sit on the cockpit seat beading, the 
>> seats
>> are too low for their bare legs to come in contact with the beading 
>> anyway.
>> The only risk is someone may sit on the seat wearing a bikini.  On the
>> other
>> hand, I haven't had much luck attracting bikinis on my boat lately, so 
>> that
>> risk may be worth taking.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:42 AM, TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Mike, Your repair looks good. The cockpit table support seems to be a
>> > common
>> > source of leaks. I had to repair mine several years ago.
>> >
>> > Rick, Non skid seats may be a good idea. We always use the cushions or 
>> > at
>> > least a throw cushion. Try to find a deck already painted with similar
>> non
>> > skid and take a seat? Instead of the entire seat maybe just non-skid a
>> > small
>> > area to use for stepping aboard? Good luck.
>> >
>> > Wally
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Michael D. Weisner 
>> > <mweisner at ebsmed.com
>> > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > Rick,
>> > >
>> > > Several years ago I faced a similar problem with the cockpit floor of
>> my
>> > > '81
>> > > R22:
>> > > http://www.nabble.com/leaks-to9963010.html#a9998040
>> > >
>> > > The floor had two additional major problems, both responsible for the
>> > > admission of water.  When the boat was new, we witnessed the
>> development
>> > of
>> > > "star burst" patterns of damage in the cockpit floor gelcoat.  They
>> were
>> > > circular with radial lines extending 3 to 4 inches from the  center.
>> >  Over
>> > > the years, water must have entered the glass layers in the floor
>> through
>> > > these defects to cause the second and more serious problem: the
>> > separation
>> > > or delamination of the floor components.  The freeze and thaw cycles 
>> > > of
>> > the
>> > > NY winter increased the damage to floor, using the trapped water as a
>> > > wedge.
>> > > This became evident when the floor "oil canned" as a large bubble
>> formed
>> > > beneath the upper layers.  This was compounded by the destruction of
>> the
>> > > foam below as water continued to pass through the floor, destroying 
>> > > the
>> > > support system for the cockpit floor.  Eventually, the top layer of 
>> > > the
>> > > floor cracked and I was able to see into the separated
>> > > layers directly.
>> > >
>> > > I concentrated my efforts on rebuilding the cockpit floor to take the
>> > > punishment that it gets in normal use.  After drilling holes in the
>> floor
>> > > to
>> > > access the internal layers, I spent several months drying out the 
>> > > floor
>> > > using acetone and fans while keeping water out of the cockpit using
>> > tarps.
>> > > I added structural wood supports and plywood to the foam below the
>> > cockpit.
>> > > I removed all damaged foam and replaced it.  When the structure below
>> was
>> > > solid and the floor was dry, I used penetrating epoxy from West 
>> > > Marine
>> to
>> > > reattach the layers of glass, compressing the floor down using bricks
>> on
>> > > wax
>> > > paper.  Once that the epoxy had cured, I filled the holes and any
>> > > remaining voids using 105/206/407, finishing flush with the gel coat.
>> > >
>> > > Because I am not skilled enough with gel coat repairs and wish to
>> prevent
>> > a
>> > > similar failure in the future, I finished the cockpit floor with
>> > > "Treadmaster Original Smooth Pattern" anti-slip deck covering.  It is
>> > about
>> > > $150 per 3' x 4' sheet, is 1/8" thick and is secured with water proof
>> > > adhesive.  This restored the cockpit floor, providing a really
>> > comfortable
>> > > (on the feet) polymer surface that absorbs shock well and prevent 
>> > > water
>> > > from
>> > > entering the floor.
>> > >
>> > > After an entire season of use, I can honestly say that it is the most
>> > > comfortable cockpit floor that I have ever felt.  The upkeep is easy.
>> >  The
>> > > surface is non-skid and soft under foot.  I should have put it in 
>> > > years
>> > > ago.
>> > >
>> > > I attached a photo of the two color flooring installed on my R22 (the
>> > link
>> > > is probably at the very bottom of this email.
>> > >
>> > > Mike
>> > > s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
>> > >       Nissequogue River, NY
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > From: "Sloop Blue Heron" Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009
>> > >  > At age 16, Blue Heron is getting her topsides painted over in
>> Awlgrip.
>> > > > The
>> > > > yard has removed all the hardware and has begun repairing water
>> > > > penetration
>> > > > damage to the core in many places.  The mast step is pretty 
>> > > > squishy,
>> so
>> > > > that
>> > > > will be rebuilt and re-glassed before painting.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Since the paint will fill in the non-skid patterns in the gelcoat,
>> the
>> > > > yard
>> > > > is going to add glass beads to the paint for painting over the
>> existing
>> > > > non-skid areas.  In addition, they will alter the color of the
>> non-skid
>> > > so
>> > > > it is more easily recognized by guests and me during my senior
>> moments.
>> > > > The
>> > > > general color will be "off white" and the non-skid will have a 
>> > > > little
>> > red
>> > > > added in to be "moon" in color-sort of a light tan.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > In the cockpit, only the sole and the lazzerette lid has non-skid
>> now,
>> > > > which
>> > > > is handy when messing with the IMF.   The yard suggests painting 
>> > > > all
>> > the
>> > > > cockpit seating surface as non-skid for boarding safety.  That 
>> > > > seems
>> > like
>> > > > a
>> > > > good idea to me because, even during the roughest ride, I use the
>> > > cushions
>> > > > all the time.  The glass beads ought to help keep the cushions in
>> > place,
>> > > > so
>> > > > it is unlikely anyone will ever sit on the itchy beads.  Does 
>> > > > anyone
>> > have
>> > > > any experience with that?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Rick
>> > > >
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