[Rhodes22-list] History
Brad Haslett
flybrad at gmail.com
Fri Jan 2 17:21:38 EST 2009
On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
> What I'm referring to is both you and Bill perpetuating a stereotype about
> Jews. That's what doesn't wash. I should have used alternative rhetoric
> but In my usual smart ass way (and after a couple too many) I didn't mean to
> offend your tender ears.
>
> Slim
>
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Slim,
>>
>> Bill has already left the building but he'll get the message.
>>
>> "Spare me the Jew shit".
>>
>> That's a pretty harsh message. I looked at the time stamp, and one
>> of my New Year's resolutions is all about forgiveness. Maybe, I've
>> been spending too much time with my minister friend, and no, there
>> isn't a "ghosts chance in hell I can be saved".
>>
>> Still, those were harsh words.
>>
>> What is 'Jew shit' anyway? You brought it up, you define it!
>>
>> Here's my 'quick and dirty' take on things. No one had a problem when
>> I, or Herb, or Ed, or even Bill, was attacked on a daily basis. Do you
>> recall the Obama troll who posted on this list prolifically posted and
>> then dropped off immediately after the election?
>>
>> I for one won't put a stick in your eye, but I will remind you of
>> where the stick came from.
>>
>> Jews. That's where we started. I'm an Irish drunk who is on the
>> leading edge of flying - that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
>>
>> Folks, pick your winners and losers. I'm sticking with the
>> Joooooooos, the Chinks, and the rednecks. Good luck with your own
>> personal program.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> Here's a question ya'll need to ask yourselves - so you saved 'da
>> list'. Is it worth saving? There's a gazillion venues to mentally
>> masturbate about sailing.
>>
>> What did you have just before you lost it?
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Bill,
>> >
>> > Spare me the Jew shit. That just doesn't wash.
>> >
>> > Slim
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 11:20 PM, elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hear, hear.. Good going, thena.
>> >>
>> >> elle
>> >>
>> >> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>> >>
>> >> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Thena Carville <thenacarville at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > From: Thena Carville <thenacarville at bellsouth.net>
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] History
>> >> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> > Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 10:14 AM
>> >> > This is the history as I remember it as well...I joined
>> >> > several of the lists
>> >> > on Sailnet and the rhodes group was the
>> >> > friendliest...several of the members
>> >> > felt like good friends after a while...Rummy, Sail Pappy,
>> >> > Steve, Alex and
>> >> > his lovely Pamela and of course Michael...we were having
>> >> > difficulty with
>> >> > Sailnet and Michael said he could set up the list for
>> >> > us...we ASKED him to
>> >> > do it...we WANTED him to set it up and he was definitely in
>> >> > charge (also his
>> >> > nickel)...we were friends and we treated each other like
>> >> > friends...we
>> >> > behaved more like we were in the home of a friend, not a
>> >> > bar...perhaps that
>> >> > is where we made our mistake...I much prefer the idea of
>> >> > keeping in mind we
>> >> > are in the HOME of someone we know and like...rude is rude
>> >> > and it simply
>> >> > doesn't need to be like that...once someone behaves
>> >> > badly, you wonder about
>> >> > having him back in your home...and no one asked you to join
>> >> > the list or even
>> >> > post to the list...it is all voluntary contributions...the
>> >> > idea was to
>> >> > "share" knowledge and enjoy the company of people
>> >> > who share a common
>> >> > interest...well, several common interests, actually...if
>> >> > you want to
>> >> > communicate with some one person in particular, we ALWAYS
>> >> > went off list...if
>> >> > we didn't think everyone would be interested, we
>> >> > communicated directly with
>> >> > the person we wanted to communicate with...sometimes people
>> >> > would get out of
>> >> > hand, but when called on it, they would either calm it down
>> >> > or remove
>> >> > themselves, Michael did not have to do it...or then perhaps
>> >> > he did, I was
>> >> > just always of the opinion he just asked them nicely and
>> >> > they did the right
>> >> > thing...I like to think the best of people...we did not
>> >> > always stay on topic
>> >> > and were quick to share something funny or amusing or
>> >> > thoughtful with the
>> >> > group...the spirit of the exchanges have changed and not
>> >> > for the
>> >> > better...several times lately I have gotten so disgusted I
>> >> > was ready to
>> >> > leave, but did not, hoping it would get better...I do not
>> >> > see the changes
>> >> > Michael and John have suggested as being harmful or
>> >> > detrimental but as a
>> >> > welcome "change of tone" for the people who wish
>> >> > to belong to a group of
>> >> > friends...if you no longer wish to participate, so be
>> >> > it...but frankly, this
>> >> > is OUR list and we want it back...
>> >> > Thena
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> >> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of
>> >> > Mary Lou Troy
>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:27 PM
>> >> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] History
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Here's the history as I remember it dating at least to
>> >> > early 1998.
>> >> > Similar to Bill's but differing in a few key factors.
>> >> > (If people are
>> >> > going to be using the archives for list history I figured I
>> >> > ought to
>> >> > post the history as I remember it.)
>> >> >
>> >> > I believe the early list was a Sail-net email list. Sailnet
>> >> > was
>> >> > founded in 1994. I don't know when they started their
>> >> > email lists. I
>> >> > think I found the Rhodes list about the same time we
>> >> > purchased
>> >> > Fretless in the Spring of 1998 maybe a bit before. It was
>> >> > not a
>> >> > Rhodes 22 list but a list for admirers and owners of any
>> >> > Rhodes
>> >> > designed boat. The R22 owners quickly overwhelmed the list
>> >> > and it
>> >> > became a de facto R22 list. We were delighted to find each
>> >> > other. If
>> >> > there was another email list before that, it was not a
>> >> > link on the
>> >> > GB website in early 1996 when we started looking at the
>> >> > R22. There
>> >> > was evidently a print R22 Owners Association newsletter
>> >> > that ceased
>> >> > publication in 1991. Sailnet changed owners several times
>> >> > with
>> >> > impacts on email list reliability and the rules for the
>> >> > list. At some
>> >> > point (2002) our esteemed Michael Meltzer (who did indeed
>> >> > help GB get
>> >> > into the web business in the 90s and was a long-time R22
>> >> > owner)
>> >> > offered to host the list on his server. He put it together
>> >> > in one
>> >> > night using the rhodes22.org domain which he had already
>> >> > used in
>> >> > setting up the Rhodes owners site on his server. That was
>> >> > the genesis
>> >> > of the current list. For a while people were on both lists
>> >> > but
>> >> > eventually the Sailnet traffic withered away and Sailnet
>> >> > got rid of
>> >> > their email lists completely earlier this year. They still
>> >> > have
>> >> > forums (bulletin boards) and there is still a Rhodes forum
>> >> > there.
>> >> >
>> >> > In the early days of the list there were several gatherings
>> >> > of Rhodes
>> >> > owners (and wannabees). There was a memorable dinner at
>> >> > Carroll's
>> >> > Creek Restaurant and another at Buddy's in Annapolis
>> >> > after the Boat
>> >> > Show. I remember Cam Whetstone carrying his new centerboard
>> >> > cap
>> >> > around as we waited to get in and Michael Meltzer checking
>> >> > email on
>> >> > his laptop long before any of the rest of us had heard of
>> >> > aircards.
>> >> > This was followed by a couple years when Jan Eyres (event
>> >> > planner
>> >> > extraordinaire) and I (but mostly Jan) planned an after
>> >> > hours catered
>> >> > dinner at the Annapolis Boat Show. Michael arranged the
>> >> > passes to get
>> >> > us in after-hours. Somewhere I still have the pics from
>> >> > that. There
>> >> > was a memorable gathering at Kentucky Lake. We didn't
>> >> > go but it is
>> >> > memorialized with pics on the Rhodes owners website. There
>> >> > was a
>> >> > marriage. There were a couple of gatherings on the
>> >> > Chesapeake as well
>> >> > as well as several mid-winter Chesapeake PlanJams - the
>> >> > last at my
>> >> > house last January with 30 some people. At this year's
>> >> > Boat
>> >> > Show (and last year's) we had lunch with Rhodes owners
>> >> > from the list
>> >> > in a mini-gathering organized on the list. These things
>> >> > won't happen
>> >> > if people sign off the list because of the content or the
>> >> > tone of the
>> >> > conversations.
>> >> >
>> >> > In the early days, if there were angry outbursts and hard
>> >> > feelings
>> >> > they mostly went off list. One person (maybe two) did get
>> >> > banned when
>> >> > they couldn't abide by the charter. It was
>> >> > Michael's call. It was his
>> >> > list. Bill is right that Stan used to send people to the
>> >> > list but I
>> >> > don't think Stan ever claimed ownership. I know that we
>> >> > all have felt
>> >> > a great deal of gratitude to Stan for continuing to build
>> >> > and recycle
>> >> > the boats that we sail with such pleasure. For the most
>> >> > part we have
>> >> > tried to be helpful to General Boats. My guess is that the
>> >> > link to
>> >> > the list came off the GB website when politics started
>> >> > getting ugly.
>> >> > I'm pretty sure Stan still sends people to the list but
>> >> > probably only
>> >> > after they have bought the boat or at least have made the
>> >> > decision to
>> >> > buy the boat.
>> >> >
>> >> > The list charter was a group effort by members of the list
>> >> > to make
>> >> > rules that we could live with and still get along with each
>> >> > other to
>> >> > everyone's benefit.
>> >> >
>> >> > Rummy, who just left the list, through his own good efforts
>> >> > compiled
>> >> > an owners list that was available to any member in good
>> >> > standing of
>> >> > that list. It was invaluable as we got to know each other.
>> >> > When Rummy
>> >> > decided to pack it in, I volunteered to take on the owners
>> >> > list but
>> >> > life intervened and I didn't get to it. By the time I
>> >> > was ready to
>> >> > take up the effort the political problems were in full
>> >> > swing and I
>> >> > wasn't feeling all that eager (not a good excuse just
>> >> > the truth about
>> >> > how I felt at the time). If the list becomes tolerable
>> >> > again, maybe
>> >> > I'll make another attempt.
>> >> >
>> >> > Mary Lou
>> >> > 1991 R22 Fretless
>> >> > Rock Hall, MD
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > At 12:06 PM 12/31/2008, you wrote:
>> >> > >That's good history to know.
>> >> > >When I signed up about 2 years ago, (that seams to be
>> >> > when it started
>> >> > >downhill) I was refered to by Stan also. I saw all the
>> >> > political crap & was
>> >> > >dissappointed....and said so. I got a shorter version
>> >> > of the same
>> >> > >explanation & then understood. I was told this was
>> >> > not Stans list....by
>> >> > >Stan.
>> >> > >I agree with you nothing should be done different, the
>> >> > charter covers it.
>> >> > My
>> >> > >problem is that some people insult you in such a nice
>> >> > way, it's allowed
>> >> > ...&
>> >> > >when someone comes right out & says it, it's a
>> >> > bad thing. I was disgusted
>> >> > by
>> >> > >some of the things said about our last President, I
>> >> > just as disgusted that
>> >> > >some people won't even give the new one a chance.
>> >> > >Jb
>> >> > >
>> >> > >----- Original Message -----
>> >> > >From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>> >> > >To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>> >> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> > >Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:32 AM
>> >> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Who Made You the Jello
>> >> > Sheriff?
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > Jb,
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Michael built and maintained Stan's website.
>> >> > In return, Stan would tow
>> >> > > > Michael's boat to Edenton every winter,
>> >> > upgrade it, install "test"
>> >> > > > equipment, bottom paint it, and get it back to
>> >> > Michael in time for an
>> >> > > > early launch.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > At some point, Michael suggested the formation of
>> >> > an email group so that
>> >> > > > people could ask each other all the questions
>> >> > that Stan couldn't
>> >> > > > possibly respond to...even if he owned a
>> >> > computer, and knew how to use
>> >> > it.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Michael put links on Stan's website so both
>> >> > existing owners and newbies
>> >> > > > could find "da list". (Remember,
>> >> > Google is only 10 years old -- it was
>> >> > > > difficult for anyone other than a computer geek
>> >> > to find anything on the
>> >> > > > Internet, and email lists were not indexed.)
>> >> > Almost everyone who got on
>> >> > > > "da list" at that time was sent here by
>> >> > Stan, both from his website and
>> >> > > > from in-person recommendations both before and
>> >> > after boat purchases.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I know I got here because Stan suggested I could
>> >> > learn a lot from people
>> >> > > > on the list. I know many others who got here the
>> >> > same way.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Michael is one of the smartest people on the
>> >> > planet. In the early days,
>> >> > > > he would answer 9 out of 10 questions asked. He
>> >> > talked to Stan
>> >> > > > regularly, and when he didn't know the
>> >> > answer, and felt it was a good
>> >> > > > question, he would call Stan after hours and come
>> >> > up with the technical
>> >> > > > information the rest of us sought.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > We hopped onto the Sailnet list server at some
>> >> > point. They wanted to be
>> >> > > > a web portal for sailers. They offered free
>> >> > list-hosting. As they grew
>> >> > > > they encountered growing pains. They switched
>> >> > software, and lost
>> >> > > > everyone on the list in the process. Those of us
>> >> > who cared, contacted
>> >> > > > everyone else back-channel and told them what had
>> >> > happened and what they
>> >> > > > had to do to get back on the list. I believe we
>> >> > had 34 members at that
>> >> > > > point.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Then Sailnet started selling things, and made a
>> >> > rule that no one else
>> >> > > > could sell anything on any list they hosted.
>> >> > Then they started
>> >> > > > monitoring lists to enforce the rule, and
>> >> > bouncing out people who
>> >> > > > violated their rule.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > We started looking for another way to run our
>> >> > list, and Michael came up
>> >> > > > with the Mailman Program which he hosted and
>> >> > maintained as
>> >> > administrator.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > At some point Stan learned to use a computer, and
>> >> > started providing
>> >> > > > information directly to the list. What a treat!
>> >> > When somebody got
>> >> > > > something wrong, or had a better way to solve a
>> >> > problem, the guy who
>> >> > > > built the boat would actually discuss the issue
>> >> > on an open forum!
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Michael was plugged into the blogging community
>> >> > before anyone used the
>> >> > > > word "blog". He would get jokes, and
>> >> > "insider info" and post it to the
>> >> > > > list long before any other sailor had access to
>> >> > what he posted. Some
>> >> > > > complained that it was "off-topic" but
>> >> > Stan always said he loved it, and
>> >> > > > didn't give a damn if anyone didn't think
>> >> > it was funny, or disagreed
>> >> > > > with anyone else's political views. And, he
>> >> > said, living in Edenton, he
>> >> > > > wasn't locally exposed to a lot of cultural
>> >> > stuff he took for granted
>> >> > > > living near NYC.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > "Bring it on" said Stan, "and
>> >> > don't worry about killing a boat
>> >> > > > sale--this is much more fun--be yourself--respect
>> >> > each other--Michael
>> >> > > > taught me how to use the delete key."
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Food fights would erupt from time to time over
>> >> > the exact same issues.
>> >> > > > Politics and Religion were both banned at some
>> >> > point, so people started
>> >> > > > inserting their political views in the form of
>> >> > often vicious jokes. The
>> >> > > > only way anyone could object to the joke was to
>> >> > explain it in political
>> >> > > > terms. The prohibition against Politics was
>> >> > dropped with the mandate
>> >> > > > that all political discussion had to be preceded
>> >> > on the subject line by
>> >> > > > the word Politics:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > How to use filters to toss all email labeled
>> >> > "Politics:" into anyone's
>> >> > > > junk folder was repeatedly explained so that
>> >> > anyone not wishing to see
>> >> > > > this stuff would never even know others on the
>> >> > list were actively
>> >> > > > discussing these topics.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Later, a rule was instituted mandating that
>> >> > Jokes: also appears on the
>> >> > > > subject line when the content is jokes.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > ...
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > At some point the list turned on Stan. It
>> >> > wasn't anyone's fault, it was
>> >> > > > just the normal evolution of the Internet.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Some of the people who had been with the list for
>> >> > a long time opted to
>> >> > > > purchase other boats. They started singing the
>> >> > praises of their boats,
>> >> > > > on Stan's list, and urging others to trade in
>> >> > Stan's boat for one
>> >> > > > bigger, or better, or more ostentatious.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Then people who would never have been able to
>> >> > find each other started
>> >> > > > selling boats directly to each other, and cutting
>> >> > Stan out of the middle
>> >> > > > -- "Stan offered me $10,000 for this boat,
>> >> > so you know he's going to
>> >> > > > sell it for $20,000 -- I'll sell it to anyone
>> >> > on the list for $15,000."
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Then people started offering to fabricate parts
>> >> > for Stan's boat--"Send
>> >> > > > me the specifications on that trailer, and
>> >> > I'll make one for you for 1/2
>> >> > > > what Stan would charge."
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Over time they hijacked Stan's list. Stan
>> >> > objected several times, and
>> >> > > > many people on the list went out of their way to
>> >> > only buy through Stan.
>> >> > > > But, in the end, Stan stopped participating on a
>> >> > regular basis, and took
>> >> > > > the list off his web site.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > But, it's still Stan's list, and Stan is
>> >> > still the common link for most
>> >> > > > of us. He can't use it as a sales tool
>> >> > anymore, but he still can have
>> >> > > > fun with old friends...just as it says in the
>> >> > charter.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I have posted the charter below so all can see
>> >> > what they signed up for,
>> >> > > > if they never took the time to read it
>> >> > previously.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > In prior years, Michael would post the Charter at
>> >> > this point--he wrote
>> >> > > > it, but he seems disinclined to do so, so here it
>> >> > is:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > *CHARTER*: *rhodes22*-list at ...
>> >> > > >
>> >> > <http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=17019026&i=0
>> >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > The *rhodes*-list at ...
>> >> > > >
>> >> > <http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=17019026&i=1
>> >
>> >> > > > group will be open to discussion of all
>> >> > > > subjects specifically referring to *Rhodes*
>> >> > sailboats or *Rhodes*
>> >> > > > sailors. The focus of this group includes, but is
>> >> > not limited to:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > * Encouraging the understanding and discussion of
>> >> > *Rhodes* sailboats or
>> >> > > > *Rhodes* sailors, in the many ways people wish to
>> >> > define it.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > * Acting as a source of information for
>> >> > *Rhodes* sailboats or *Rhodes*
>> >> > > > sailors worldwide and for people planning to
>> >> > buy/sell/repair/learn
>> >> > > > about *Rhodes* sailboats or *Rhodes* sailors.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > * Providing a forum for the development and
>> >> > promotion *Rhodes*
>> >> > sailboats
>> >> > > > or *Rhodes* sailors' culture, history,
>> >> > traditions and economy.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > * Any other subject that might be found at a
>> >> > sailor's bar or the
>> >> > > > Clubhouse Bar, Including *Rhodes* sailboats or
>> >> > *Rhodes* sailors'
>> >> > travels,
>> >> > > > events, family, jokes, quotations, pets, etc.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > * The level of discussion does not have to be
>> >> > fit for a child, but
>> >> > > > some good taste is expected.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Binaries and Formatting: The posting of encoded
>> >> > binaries (e.g.
>> >> > > > pictures, compressed files, etc.) to
>> >> > *rhodes*-list at ...
>> >> > > >
>> >> > <http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=17019026&i=2
>> >
>> >> > > > is not
>> >> > > > allowed, the list server will remove them. Please
>> >> > use mixed case when
>> >> > > > posting (Upper and lower case letters), typing
>> >> > words in uppercase
>> >> > > > means you are SHOUTING.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Quoting: Place new material at the top of the
>> >> > post and quote what you
>> >> > > > are replying to below. That makes it simple to
>> >> > find out what is being
>> >> > > > said. You are encouraged to edit down the quoted
>> >> > material.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > HTML mail: Allot of the email programs (Netscape
>> >> > and outlook) that can
>> >> > > > send their email with embedded HTML. Embedded
>> >> > HTML can cause some of
>> >> > > > the list members to have trouble reading their
>> >> > mail due to "browser
>> >> > > > wars", not reading their mail with a web
>> >> > browser and double messages
>> >> > > > in digest mode. Member are encouraged to set
>> >> > their programs to send
>> >> > > > "text" email.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Subject Line: Please set or change the subject
>> >> > line to reflect the
>> >> > > > true subject of the post. for example
>> >> > "Subject: anchors" might be
>> >> > > > turned into "Subject: gastank was
>> >> > anchors". If a joke (or any
>> >> > > > questionable material) is being posted please
>> >> > indicate it on the
>> >> > > > subject line, for example "Subject:
>> >> > Monday's Humor (jokes)"
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Netiquette: Posts to the group are expected to be
>> >> > considerate of other
>> >> > > > readers. Personal abuse, flames, and obscenities
>> >> > are *not*
>> >> > > > appreciated; but we are sailors.......
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Anonymous email: It is expected that users will
>> >> > provide their name in
>> >> > > > the email and will sign same. We like to know
>> >> > who we're talking to.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Social Interaction/Manners: To a certain extent,
>> >> > the interaction is
>> >> > > > about what you would expect in any informal
>> >> > social setting, for
>> >> > > > example, a bar. It is recommended that you get
>> >> > to know people first
>> >> > > > and introduce yourself (about the same social
>> >> > rules that you would use
>> >> > > > to meet any new group of people). There is a
>> >> > high level of chitchat on
>> >> > > > the list, and what you might think is insulting
>> >> > to a group or region
>> >> > > > might only be people kidding each other after
>> >> > knowing them for years.
>> >> > > > As in any bar, the subjects of politics and
>> >> > religion can lead to
>> >> > > > heated augments and bar fights. These might be
>> >> > best avoided.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > The need to participate: It is recognized that a
>> >> > group is only whoever
>> >> > > > post to it, no more and no less. We can only talk
>> >> > about what people
>> >> > > > post about. You earn respect on the list by
>> >> > postings and trying to
>> >> > > > help each other, you can not demand it. Most
>> >> > sailing topics we have
>> >> > > > talked about already, We chit chat in the mean
>> >> > time waiting to answer
>> >> > > > questions or a new subject/story. If you want to
>> >> > know something,
>> >> > > > please post it, the more detail the better. If
>> >> > someone is trying to
>> >> > > > help you please answer their reasonable
>> >> > questions. If you can help
>> >> > > > someone, again post it, Try to repay the
>> >> > knowledge you gained.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Bill Effros
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Jb wrote:
>> >> > > > > why do keep saying this is Stans list?
>> >> > > > > Jb
>> >> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > > > From: "Bill Effros"
>> >> > <bill at effros.com>
>> >> > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>> >> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 8:53 PM
>> >> > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Made You the
>> >> > Jello Sheriff?
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >> Michael,
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> Who made you the Jello Sheriff?
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> This is Stan's list, not yours, and
>> >> > he just told us he doesn't
>> >> > believe
>> >> > >a
>> >> > > > >> Jello Sheriff is required.
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> Shall I tell you who I think is being a
>> >> > PITA?
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> Do you think it will improve the list if
>> >> > everyone conforms to your
>> >> > >views
>> >> > > > >> of who is using "mean sprite"?
>> >> > Only people who submit jokes you find
>> >> > > > >> funny can remain on the list? If you
>> >> > don't laugh--they're out!
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> Whatever happened to that rule about
>> >> > throwing people off the list if
>> >> > > > >> they don't own a Rhodes-22?
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> How about syntax rules, and spelling
>> >> > rules? That should be fun.
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> Better drop the rule about people on ego
>> >> > trips.
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> Of course, this charter change must be
>> >> > submitted to the entire list
>> >> > as
>> >> > > > >> per our charter. Does Rummy still get a
>> >> > vote? How about Ben? How
>> >> > > > >> about people under your review?
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> LOL,
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> Your dear friend,
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> Bill Effros
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> michael meltzer wrote:
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >>> He is the working idea.
>> >> > > > >>>
>> >> > > > >>> 1) Is the problem is not so
>> >> > much the off subject post, as long
>> >> > as
>> >> > > > >>> the
>> >> > > > >>> are entertaining there is no real
>> >> > issue, funny, informative, nice..
>> >> > > > >>>
>> >> > > > >>> 2) The problem is the people
>> >> > using "mean sprite" , pounding on
>> >> > > > >>> people,
>> >> > > > >>> people on ego trips that they must
>> >> > change the world by changing the
>> >> > >view
>> >> > > > >>> of
>> >> > > > >>> the members, being a PITA
>> >> > > > >>>
>> >> > > > >>>
>> >> > > > >>>
>> >> > > > >>> To that end.
>> >> > > > >>>
>> >> > > > >>> 1) in the short: people using
>> >> > "mean sprite" , pounding on
>> >> > people,
>> >> > > > >>> people on ego trips that they must
>> >> > change the world by changing the
>> >> > >view
>> >> > > > >>> of
>> >> > > > >>> the members. Can and will be
>> >> > suspended buy me and john at our whim,
>> >> > >using
>> >> > > > >>> current tools. Willing to listen to
>> >> > some group feedback but really
>> >> > >the
>> >> > > > >>> right to suspend and remove
>> >> > PITA's
>> >> > > > >>>
>> >> > > > >>> 2) in the long term both me and
>> >> > john no not have the time for
>> >> > >this.
>> >> > > > >>> Thinking along the lines of a
>> >> > "trusted" group of people can
>> >> > numerated
>> >> > >a
>> >> > > > >>> poster for suspend/remove/band that
>> >> > a larger group of list members
>> >> > can
>> >> > > > >>> vote
>> >> > > > >>> on(the jury, maybe post #/length of
>> >> > time on the list weighted). Web
>> >> > >based
>> >> > > > >>> system. Me and john then become the
>> >> > "apples board. The real question
>> >> > >in
>> >> > > > >>> most
>> >> > > > >>> cases would be are you a PITA and
>> >> > worth it
>> >> > > > >>>
>> >> > > > >>> 3) there is a question about a
>> >> > wiki(ben), we tried it once but
>> >> > >let's
>> >> > > > >>> try again, it could have broad
>> >> > applies
>> >> > > > >>>
>> >> > > > >>>
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