[Rhodes22-list] History
Brad Haslett
flybrad at gmail.com
Fri Jan 2 17:22:59 EST 2009
Whoops! Left the window open and Cora sent a message. She had
nothing to say, apparently. Neither do I.
Brad
On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> What I'm referring to is both you and Bill perpetuating a stereotype about
>> Jews. That's what doesn't wash. I should have used alternative rhetoric
>> but In my usual smart ass way (and after a couple too many) I didn't mean to
>> offend your tender ears.
>>
>> Slim
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Slim,
>>>
>>> Bill has already left the building but he'll get the message.
>>>
>>> "Spare me the Jew shit".
>>>
>>> That's a pretty harsh message. I looked at the time stamp, and one
>>> of my New Year's resolutions is all about forgiveness. Maybe, I've
>>> been spending too much time with my minister friend, and no, there
>>> isn't a "ghosts chance in hell I can be saved".
>>>
>>> Still, those were harsh words.
>>>
>>> What is 'Jew shit' anyway? You brought it up, you define it!
>>>
>>> Here's my 'quick and dirty' take on things. No one had a problem when
>>> I, or Herb, or Ed, or even Bill, was attacked on a daily basis. Do you
>>> recall the Obama troll who posted on this list prolifically posted and
>>> then dropped off immediately after the election?
>>>
>>> I for one won't put a stick in your eye, but I will remind you of
>>> where the stick came from.
>>>
>>> Jews. That's where we started. I'm an Irish drunk who is on the
>>> leading edge of flying - that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
>>>
>>> Folks, pick your winners and losers. I'm sticking with the
>>> Joooooooos, the Chinks, and the rednecks. Good luck with your own
>>> personal program.
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> Here's a question ya'll need to ask yourselves - so you saved 'da
>>> list'. Is it worth saving? There's a gazillion venues to mentally
>>> masturbate about sailing.
>>>
>>> What did you have just before you lost it?
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Bill,
>>> >
>>> > Spare me the Jew shit. That just doesn't wash.
>>> >
>>> > Slim
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 11:20 PM, elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hear, hear.. Good going, thena.
>>> >>
>>> >> elle
>>> >>
>>> >> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>>> >>
>>> >> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Thena Carville <thenacarville at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > From: Thena Carville <thenacarville at bellsouth.net>
>>> >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] History
>>> >> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >> > Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 10:14 AM
>>> >> > This is the history as I remember it as well...I joined
>>> >> > several of the lists
>>> >> > on Sailnet and the rhodes group was the
>>> >> > friendliest...several of the members
>>> >> > felt like good friends after a while...Rummy, Sail Pappy,
>>> >> > Steve, Alex and
>>> >> > his lovely Pamela and of course Michael...we were having
>>> >> > difficulty with
>>> >> > Sailnet and Michael said he could set up the list for
>>> >> > us...we ASKED him to
>>> >> > do it...we WANTED him to set it up and he was definitely in
>>> >> > charge (also his
>>> >> > nickel)...we were friends and we treated each other like
>>> >> > friends...we
>>> >> > behaved more like we were in the home of a friend, not a
>>> >> > bar...perhaps that
>>> >> > is where we made our mistake...I much prefer the idea of
>>> >> > keeping in mind we
>>> >> > are in the HOME of someone we know and like...rude is rude
>>> >> > and it simply
>>> >> > doesn't need to be like that...once someone behaves
>>> >> > badly, you wonder about
>>> >> > having him back in your home...and no one asked you to join
>>> >> > the list or even
>>> >> > post to the list...it is all voluntary contributions...the
>>> >> > idea was to
>>> >> > "share" knowledge and enjoy the company of people
>>> >> > who share a common
>>> >> > interest...well, several common interests, actually...if
>>> >> > you want to
>>> >> > communicate with some one person in particular, we ALWAYS
>>> >> > went off list...if
>>> >> > we didn't think everyone would be interested, we
>>> >> > communicated directly with
>>> >> > the person we wanted to communicate with...sometimes people
>>> >> > would get out of
>>> >> > hand, but when called on it, they would either calm it down
>>> >> > or remove
>>> >> > themselves, Michael did not have to do it...or then perhaps
>>> >> > he did, I was
>>> >> > just always of the opinion he just asked them nicely and
>>> >> > they did the right
>>> >> > thing...I like to think the best of people...we did not
>>> >> > always stay on topic
>>> >> > and were quick to share something funny or amusing or
>>> >> > thoughtful with the
>>> >> > group...the spirit of the exchanges have changed and not
>>> >> > for the
>>> >> > better...several times lately I have gotten so disgusted I
>>> >> > was ready to
>>> >> > leave, but did not, hoping it would get better...I do not
>>> >> > see the changes
>>> >> > Michael and John have suggested as being harmful or
>>> >> > detrimental but as a
>>> >> > welcome "change of tone" for the people who wish
>>> >> > to belong to a group of
>>> >> > friends...if you no longer wish to participate, so be
>>> >> > it...but frankly, this
>>> >> > is OUR list and we want it back...
>>> >> > Thena
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>>> >> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> >> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of
>>> >> > Mary Lou Troy
>>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:27 PM
>>> >> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] History
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Here's the history as I remember it dating at least to
>>> >> > early 1998.
>>> >> > Similar to Bill's but differing in a few key factors.
>>> >> > (If people are
>>> >> > going to be using the archives for list history I figured I
>>> >> > ought to
>>> >> > post the history as I remember it.)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I believe the early list was a Sail-net email list. Sailnet
>>> >> > was
>>> >> > founded in 1994. I don't know when they started their
>>> >> > email lists. I
>>> >> > think I found the Rhodes list about the same time we
>>> >> > purchased
>>> >> > Fretless in the Spring of 1998 maybe a bit before. It was
>>> >> > not a
>>> >> > Rhodes 22 list but a list for admirers and owners of any
>>> >> > Rhodes
>>> >> > designed boat. The R22 owners quickly overwhelmed the list
>>> >> > and it
>>> >> > became a de facto R22 list. We were delighted to find each
>>> >> > other. If
>>> >> > there was another email list before that, it was not a
>>> >> > link on the
>>> >> > GB website in early 1996 when we started looking at the
>>> >> > R22. There
>>> >> > was evidently a print R22 Owners Association newsletter
>>> >> > that ceased
>>> >> > publication in 1991. Sailnet changed owners several times
>>> >> > with
>>> >> > impacts on email list reliability and the rules for the
>>> >> > list. At some
>>> >> > point (2002) our esteemed Michael Meltzer (who did indeed
>>> >> > help GB get
>>> >> > into the web business in the 90s and was a long-time R22
>>> >> > owner)
>>> >> > offered to host the list on his server. He put it together
>>> >> > in one
>>> >> > night using the rhodes22.org domain which he had already
>>> >> > used in
>>> >> > setting up the Rhodes owners site on his server. That was
>>> >> > the genesis
>>> >> > of the current list. For a while people were on both lists
>>> >> > but
>>> >> > eventually the Sailnet traffic withered away and Sailnet
>>> >> > got rid of
>>> >> > their email lists completely earlier this year. They still
>>> >> > have
>>> >> > forums (bulletin boards) and there is still a Rhodes forum
>>> >> > there.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > In the early days of the list there were several gatherings
>>> >> > of Rhodes
>>> >> > owners (and wannabees). There was a memorable dinner at
>>> >> > Carroll's
>>> >> > Creek Restaurant and another at Buddy's in Annapolis
>>> >> > after the Boat
>>> >> > Show. I remember Cam Whetstone carrying his new centerboard
>>> >> > cap
>>> >> > around as we waited to get in and Michael Meltzer checking
>>> >> > email on
>>> >> > his laptop long before any of the rest of us had heard of
>>> >> > aircards.
>>> >> > This was followed by a couple years when Jan Eyres (event
>>> >> > planner
>>> >> > extraordinaire) and I (but mostly Jan) planned an after
>>> >> > hours catered
>>> >> > dinner at the Annapolis Boat Show. Michael arranged the
>>> >> > passes to get
>>> >> > us in after-hours. Somewhere I still have the pics from
>>> >> > that. There
>>> >> > was a memorable gathering at Kentucky Lake. We didn't
>>> >> > go but it is
>>> >> > memorialized with pics on the Rhodes owners website. There
>>> >> > was a
>>> >> > marriage. There were a couple of gatherings on the
>>> >> > Chesapeake as well
>>> >> > as well as several mid-winter Chesapeake PlanJams - the
>>> >> > last at my
>>> >> > house last January with 30 some people. At this year's
>>> >> > Boat
>>> >> > Show (and last year's) we had lunch with Rhodes owners
>>> >> > from the list
>>> >> > in a mini-gathering organized on the list. These things
>>> >> > won't happen
>>> >> > if people sign off the list because of the content or the
>>> >> > tone of the
>>> >> > conversations.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > In the early days, if there were angry outbursts and hard
>>> >> > feelings
>>> >> > they mostly went off list. One person (maybe two) did get
>>> >> > banned when
>>> >> > they couldn't abide by the charter. It was
>>> >> > Michael's call. It was his
>>> >> > list. Bill is right that Stan used to send people to the
>>> >> > list but I
>>> >> > don't think Stan ever claimed ownership. I know that we
>>> >> > all have felt
>>> >> > a great deal of gratitude to Stan for continuing to build
>>> >> > and recycle
>>> >> > the boats that we sail with such pleasure. For the most
>>> >> > part we have
>>> >> > tried to be helpful to General Boats. My guess is that the
>>> >> > link to
>>> >> > the list came off the GB website when politics started
>>> >> > getting ugly.
>>> >> > I'm pretty sure Stan still sends people to the list but
>>> >> > probably only
>>> >> > after they have bought the boat or at least have made the
>>> >> > decision to
>>> >> > buy the boat.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The list charter was a group effort by members of the list
>>> >> > to make
>>> >> > rules that we could live with and still get along with each
>>> >> > other to
>>> >> > everyone's benefit.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Rummy, who just left the list, through his own good efforts
>>> >> > compiled
>>> >> > an owners list that was available to any member in good
>>> >> > standing of
>>> >> > that list. It was invaluable as we got to know each other.
>>> >> > When Rummy
>>> >> > decided to pack it in, I volunteered to take on the owners
>>> >> > list but
>>> >> > life intervened and I didn't get to it. By the time I
>>> >> > was ready to
>>> >> > take up the effort the political problems were in full
>>> >> > swing and I
>>> >> > wasn't feeling all that eager (not a good excuse just
>>> >> > the truth about
>>> >> > how I felt at the time). If the list becomes tolerable
>>> >> > again, maybe
>>> >> > I'll make another attempt.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Mary Lou
>>> >> > 1991 R22 Fretless
>>> >> > Rock Hall, MD
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > At 12:06 PM 12/31/2008, you wrote:
>>> >> > >That's good history to know.
>>> >> > >When I signed up about 2 years ago, (that seams to be
>>> >> > when it started
>>> >> > >downhill) I was refered to by Stan also. I saw all the
>>> >> > political crap & was
>>> >> > >dissappointed....and said so. I got a shorter version
>>> >> > of the same
>>> >> > >explanation & then understood. I was told this was
>>> >> > not Stans list....by
>>> >> > >Stan.
>>> >> > >I agree with you nothing should be done different, the
>>> >> > charter covers it.
>>> >> > My
>>> >> > >problem is that some people insult you in such a nice
>>> >> > way, it's allowed
>>> >> > ...&
>>> >> > >when someone comes right out & says it, it's a
>>> >> > bad thing. I was disgusted
>>> >> > by
>>> >> > >some of the things said about our last President, I
>>> >> > just as disgusted that
>>> >> > >some people won't even give the new one a chance.
>>> >> > >Jb
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >----- Original Message -----
>>> >> > >From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>> >> > >To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>> >> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >> > >Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:32 AM
>>> >> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Who Made You the Jello
>>> >> > Sheriff?
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > > Jb,
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Michael built and maintained Stan's website.
>>> >> > In return, Stan would tow
>>> >> > > > Michael's boat to Edenton every winter,
>>> >> > upgrade it, install "test"
>>> >> > > > equipment, bottom paint it, and get it back to
>>> >> > Michael in time for an
>>> >> > > > early launch.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > At some point, Michael suggested the formation of
>>> >> > an email group so that
>>> >> > > > people could ask each other all the questions
>>> >> > that Stan couldn't
>>> >> > > > possibly respond to...even if he owned a
>>> >> > computer, and knew how to use
>>> >> > it.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Michael put links on Stan's website so both
>>> >> > existing owners and newbies
>>> >> > > > could find "da list". (Remember,
>>> >> > Google is only 10 years old -- it was
>>> >> > > > difficult for anyone other than a computer geek
>>> >> > to find anything on the
>>> >> > > > Internet, and email lists were not indexed.)
>>> >> > Almost everyone who got on
>>> >> > > > "da list" at that time was sent here by
>>> >> > Stan, both from his website and
>>> >> > > > from in-person recommendations both before and
>>> >> > after boat purchases.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > I know I got here because Stan suggested I could
>>> >> > learn a lot from people
>>> >> > > > on the list. I know many others who got here the
>>> >> > same way.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Michael is one of the smartest people on the
>>> >> > planet. In the early days,
>>> >> > > > he would answer 9 out of 10 questions asked. He
>>> >> > talked to Stan
>>> >> > > > regularly, and when he didn't know the
>>> >> > answer, and felt it was a good
>>> >> > > > question, he would call Stan after hours and come
>>> >> > up with the technical
>>> >> > > > information the rest of us sought.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > We hopped onto the Sailnet list server at some
>>> >> > point. They wanted to be
>>> >> > > > a web portal for sailers. They offered free
>>> >> > list-hosting. As they grew
>>> >> > > > they encountered growing pains. They switched
>>> >> > software, and lost
>>> >> > > > everyone on the list in the process. Those of us
>>> >> > who cared, contacted
>>> >> > > > everyone else back-channel and told them what had
>>> >> > happened and what they
>>> >> > > > had to do to get back on the list. I believe we
>>> >> > had 34 members at that
>>> >> > > > point.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Then Sailnet started selling things, and made a
>>> >> > rule that no one else
>>> >> > > > could sell anything on any list they hosted.
>>> >> > Then they started
>>> >> > > > monitoring lists to enforce the rule, and
>>> >> > bouncing out people who
>>> >> > > > violated their rule.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > We started looking for another way to run our
>>> >> > list, and Michael came up
>>> >> > > > with the Mailman Program which he hosted and
>>> >> > maintained as
>>> >> > administrator.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > At some point Stan learned to use a computer, and
>>> >> > started providing
>>> >> > > > information directly to the list. What a treat!
>>> >> > When somebody got
>>> >> > > > something wrong, or had a better way to solve a
>>> >> > problem, the guy who
>>> >> > > > built the boat would actually discuss the issue
>>> >> > on an open forum!
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Michael was plugged into the blogging community
>>> >> > before anyone used the
>>> >> > > > word "blog". He would get jokes, and
>>> >> > "insider info" and post it to the
>>> >> > > > list long before any other sailor had access to
>>> >> > what he posted. Some
>>> >> > > > complained that it was "off-topic" but
>>> >> > Stan always said he loved it, and
>>> >> > > > didn't give a damn if anyone didn't think
>>> >> > it was funny, or disagreed
>>> >> > > > with anyone else's political views. And, he
>>> >> > said, living in Edenton, he
>>> >> > > > wasn't locally exposed to a lot of cultural
>>> >> > stuff he took for granted
>>> >> > > > living near NYC.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > "Bring it on" said Stan, "and
>>> >> > don't worry about killing a boat
>>> >> > > > sale--this is much more fun--be yourself--respect
>>> >> > each other--Michael
>>> >> > > > taught me how to use the delete key."
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Food fights would erupt from time to time over
>>> >> > the exact same issues.
>>> >> > > > Politics and Religion were both banned at some
>>> >> > point, so people started
>>> >> > > > inserting their political views in the form of
>>> >> > often vicious jokes. The
>>> >> > > > only way anyone could object to the joke was to
>>> >> > explain it in political
>>> >> > > > terms. The prohibition against Politics was
>>> >> > dropped with the mandate
>>> >> > > > that all political discussion had to be preceded
>>> >> > on the subject line by
>>> >> > > > the word Politics:
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > How to use filters to toss all email labeled
>>> >> > "Politics:" into anyone's
>>> >> > > > junk folder was repeatedly explained so that
>>> >> > anyone not wishing to see
>>> >> > > > this stuff would never even know others on the
>>> >> > list were actively
>>> >> > > > discussing these topics.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Later, a rule was instituted mandating that
>>> >> > Jokes: also appears on the
>>> >> > > > subject line when the content is jokes.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > ...
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > At some point the list turned on Stan. It
>>> >> > wasn't anyone's fault, it was
>>> >> > > > just the normal evolution of the Internet.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Some of the people who had been with the list for
>>> >> > a long time opted to
>>> >> > > > purchase other boats. They started singing the
>>> >> > praises of their boats,
>>> >> > > > on Stan's list, and urging others to trade in
>>> >> > Stan's boat for one
>>> >> > > > bigger, or better, or more ostentatious.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Then people who would never have been able to
>>> >> > find each other started
>>> >> > > > selling boats directly to each other, and cutting
>>> >> > Stan out of the middle
>>> >> > > > -- "Stan offered me $10,000 for this boat,
>>> >> > so you know he's going to
>>> >> > > > sell it for $20,000 -- I'll sell it to anyone
>>> >> > on the list for $15,000."
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Then people started offering to fabricate parts
>>> >> > for Stan's boat--"Send
>>> >> > > > me the specifications on that trailer, and
>>> >> > I'll make one for you for 1/2
>>> >> > > > what Stan would charge."
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Over time they hijacked Stan's list. Stan
>>> >> > objected several times, and
>>> >> > > > many people on the list went out of their way to
>>> >> > only buy through Stan.
>>> >> > > > But, in the end, Stan stopped participating on a
>>> >> > regular basis, and took
>>> >> > > > the list off his web site.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > But, it's still Stan's list, and Stan is
>>> >> > still the common link for most
>>> >> > > > of us. He can't use it as a sales tool
>>> >> > anymore, but he still can have
>>> >> > > > fun with old friends...just as it says in the
>>> >> > charter.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > I have posted the charter below so all can see
>>> >> > what they signed up for,
>>> >> > > > if they never took the time to read it
>>> >> > previously.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > In prior years, Michael would post the Charter at
>>> >> > this point--he wrote
>>> >> > > > it, but he seems disinclined to do so, so here it
>>> >> > is:
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > *CHARTER*: *rhodes22*-list at ...
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > <http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=17019026&i=0
>>> >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > The *rhodes*-list at ...
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > <http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=17019026&i=1
>>> >
>>> >> > > > group will be open to discussion of all
>>> >> > > > subjects specifically referring to *Rhodes*
>>> >> > sailboats or *Rhodes*
>>> >> > > > sailors. The focus of this group includes, but is
>>> >> > not limited to:
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > * Encouraging the understanding and discussion of
>>> >> > *Rhodes* sailboats or
>>> >> > > > *Rhodes* sailors, in the many ways people wish to
>>> >> > define it.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > * Acting as a source of information for
>>> >> > *Rhodes* sailboats or *Rhodes*
>>> >> > > > sailors worldwide and for people planning to
>>> >> > buy/sell/repair/learn
>>> >> > > > about *Rhodes* sailboats or *Rhodes* sailors.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > * Providing a forum for the development and
>>> >> > promotion *Rhodes*
>>> >> > sailboats
>>> >> > > > or *Rhodes* sailors' culture, history,
>>> >> > traditions and economy.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > * Any other subject that might be found at a
>>> >> > sailor's bar or the
>>> >> > > > Clubhouse Bar, Including *Rhodes* sailboats or
>>> >> > *Rhodes* sailors'
>>> >> > travels,
>>> >> > > > events, family, jokes, quotations, pets, etc.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > * The level of discussion does not have to be
>>> >> > fit for a child, but
>>> >> > > > some good taste is expected.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Binaries and Formatting: The posting of encoded
>>> >> > binaries (e.g.
>>> >> > > > pictures, compressed files, etc.) to
>>> >> > *rhodes*-list at ...
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > <http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=17019026&i=2
>>> >
>>> >> > > > is not
>>> >> > > > allowed, the list server will remove them. Please
>>> >> > use mixed case when
>>> >> > > > posting (Upper and lower case letters), typing
>>> >> > words in uppercase
>>> >> > > > means you are SHOUTING.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Quoting: Place new material at the top of the
>>> >> > post and quote what you
>>> >> > > > are replying to below. That makes it simple to
>>> >> > find out what is being
>>> >> > > > said. You are encouraged to edit down the quoted
>>> >> > material.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > HTML mail: Allot of the email programs (Netscape
>>> >> > and outlook) that can
>>> >> > > > send their email with embedded HTML. Embedded
>>> >> > HTML can cause some of
>>> >> > > > the list members to have trouble reading their
>>> >> > mail due to "browser
>>> >> > > > wars", not reading their mail with a web
>>> >> > browser and double messages
>>> >> > > > in digest mode. Member are encouraged to set
>>> >> > their programs to send
>>> >> > > > "text" email.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Subject Line: Please set or change the subject
>>> >> > line to reflect the
>>> >> > > > true subject of the post. for example
>>> >> > "Subject: anchors" might be
>>> >> > > > turned into "Subject: gastank was
>>> >> > anchors". If a joke (or any
>>> >> > > > questionable material) is being posted please
>>> >> > indicate it on the
>>> >> > > > subject line, for example "Subject:
>>> >> > Monday's Humor (jokes)"
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Netiquette: Posts to the group are expected to be
>>> >> > considerate of other
>>> >> > > > readers. Personal abuse, flames, and obscenities
>>> >> > are *not*
>>> >> > > > appreciated; but we are sailors.......
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Anonymous email: It is expected that users will
>>> >> > provide their name in
>>> >> > > > the email and will sign same. We like to know
>>> >> > who we're talking to.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Social Interaction/Manners: To a certain extent,
>>> >> > the interaction is
>>> >> > > > about what you would expect in any informal
>>> >> > social setting, for
>>> >> > > > example, a bar. It is recommended that you get
>>> >> > to know people first
>>> >> > > > and introduce yourself (about the same social
>>> >> > rules that you would use
>>> >> > > > to meet any new group of people). There is a
>>> >> > high level of chitchat on
>>> >> > > > the list, and what you might think is insulting
>>> >> > to a group or region
>>> >> > > > might only be people kidding each other after
>>> >> > knowing them for years.
>>> >> > > > As in any bar, the subjects of politics and
>>> >> > religion can lead to
>>> >> > > > heated augments and bar fights. These might be
>>> >> > best avoided.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > The need to participate: It is recognized that a
>>> >> > group is only whoever
>>> >> > > > post to it, no more and no less. We can only talk
>>> >> > about what people
>>> >> > > > post about. You earn respect on the list by
>>> >> > postings and trying to
>>> >> > > > help each other, you can not demand it. Most
>>> >> > sailing topics we have
>>> >> > > > talked about already, We chit chat in the mean
>>> >> > time waiting to answer
>>> >> > > > questions or a new subject/story. If you want to
>>> >> > know something,
>>> >> > > > please post it, the more detail the better. If
>>> >> > someone is trying to
>>> >> > > > help you please answer their reasonable
>>> >> > questions. If you can help
>>> >> > > > someone, again post it, Try to repay the
>>> >> > knowledge you gained.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Bill Effros
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Jb wrote:
>>> >> > > > > why do keep saying this is Stans list?
>>> >> > > > > Jb
>>> >> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> > > > > From: "Bill Effros"
>>> >> > <bill at effros.com>
>>> >> > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>> >> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 8:53 PM
>>> >> > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Made You the
>>> >> > Jello Sheriff?
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > >> Michael,
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> Who made you the Jello Sheriff?
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> This is Stan's list, not yours, and
>>> >> > he just told us he doesn't
>>> >> > believe
>>> >> > >a
>>> >> > > > >> Jello Sheriff is required.
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> Shall I tell you who I think is being a
>>> >> > PITA?
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> Do you think it will improve the list if
>>> >> > everyone conforms to your
>>> >> > >views
>>> >> > > > >> of who is using "mean sprite"?
>>> >> > Only people who submit jokes you find
>>> >> > > > >> funny can remain on the list? If you
>>> >> > don't laugh--they're out!
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> Whatever happened to that rule about
>>> >> > throwing people off the list if
>>> >> > > > >> they don't own a Rhodes-22?
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> How about syntax rules, and spelling
>>> >> > rules? That should be fun.
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> Better drop the rule about people on ego
>>> >> > trips.
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> Of course, this charter change must be
>>> >> > submitted to the entire list
>>> >> > as
>>> >> > > > >> per our charter. Does Rummy still get a
>>> >> > vote? How about Ben? How
>>> >> > > > >> about people under your review?
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> LOL,
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> Your dear friend,
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> Bill Effros
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> michael meltzer wrote:
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >>> He is the working idea.
>>> >> > > > >>>
>>> >> > > > >>> 1) Is the problem is not so
>>> >> > much the off subject post, as long
>>> >> > as
>>> >> > > > >>> the
>>> >> > > > >>> are entertaining there is no real
>>> >> > issue, funny, informative, nice..
>>> >> > > > >>>
>>> >> > > > >>> 2) The problem is the people
>>> >> > using "mean sprite" , pounding on
>>> >> > > > >>> people,
>>> >> > > > >>> people on ego trips that they must
>>> >> > change the world by changing the
>>> >> > >view
>>> >> > > > >>> of
>>> >> > > > >>> the members, being a PITA
>>> >> > > > >>>
>>> >> > > > >>>
>>> >> > > > >>>
>>> >> > > > >>> To that end.
>>> >> > > > >>>
>>> >> > > > >>> 1) in the short: people using
>>> >> > "mean sprite" , pounding on
>>> >> > people,
>>> >> > > > >>> people on ego trips that they must
>>> >> > change the world by changing the
>>> >> > >view
>>> >> > > > >>> of
>>> >> > > > >>> the members. Can and will be
>>> >> > suspended buy me and john at our whim,
>>> >> > >using
>>> >> > > > >>> current tools. Willing to listen to
>>> >> > some group feedback but really
>>> >> > >the
>>> >> > > > >>> right to suspend and remove
>>> >> > PITA's
>>> >> > > > >>>
>>> >> > > > >>> 2) in the long term both me and
>>> >> > john no not have the time for
>>> >> > >this.
>>> >> > > > >>> Thinking along the lines of a
>>> >> > "trusted" group of people can
>>> >> > numerated
>>> >> > >a
>>> >> > > > >>> poster for suspend/remove/band that
>>> >> > a larger group of list members
>>> >> > can
>>> >> > > > >>> vote
>>> >> > > > >>> on(the jury, maybe post #/length of
>>> >> > time on the list weighted). Web
>>> >> > >based
>>> >> > > > >>> system. Me and john then become the
>>> >> > "apples board. The real question
>>> >> > >in
>>> >> > > > >>> most
>>> >> > > > >>> cases would be are you a PITA and
>>> >> > worth it
>>> >> > > > >>>
>>> >> > > > >>> 3) there is a question about a
>>> >> > wiki(ben), we tried it once but
>>> >> > >let's
>>> >> > > > >>> try again, it could have broad
>>> >> > applies
>>> >> > > > >>>
>>> >> > > > >>>
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