[Rhodes22-list] John Shulick - I draw a distiction

Blanche DeFord bdford5 at yahoo.com
Fri Jan 30 14:46:03 EST 2009


Thanks, Robert.

Guess I'll never understand why these folks get paid regardless of whether their companies are tanking.  I'll just listen to the sailing talk, and learn how to use the wind.

Sincerely,
Blanche DeFord

--- On Fri, 1/30/09, RobertBovee50 at aol.com <RobertBovee50 at aol.com> wrote:
From: RobertBovee50 at aol.com <RobertBovee50 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] John Shulick - I draw a distiction
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 9:46 AM

Blanche,
 
It is a very competitive market out their for highly successful executive  
personnel. For a person to have reached the top jobs in most industries, they  
have already proven that they are leaders and will make the company more money 

than they cost. Supply and demand, just like everywhere else.
 
Robert
 
 
In a message dated 1/29/2009 2:02:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
bdford5 at yahoo.com writes:

Robert,

Thank you for the explanation about  directors.

Why would they let these huge exec bonuses and salaries get  out of hand like 
this?

Sincerely,
Blanche DeFord

--- On Tue,  1/27/09, RobertBovee50 at aol.com <RobertBovee50 at aol.com>
wrote:
From:  RobertBovee50 at aol.com <RobertBovee50 at aol.com>
Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list] John Shulick - I draw a distiction
To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 4:05  AM

The board of directors for most corporations are made up  of  people outside 
of the business. People such as lawyers, bankers and   accountants are good 
board members. Their seats on the board change  frequently  and they receive 
nominal reimbursement for their  participation. Many times large  stock 
holders
are 
invited to sit  on the board.


In a message dated 1/26/2009 5:49:02 P.M. Eastern  Standard Time,  
sanderico1 at gmail.com  writes:

Blanche,

I'm no expert on corporate governance, but I  would  imagine that the 
board sets their own compensation, similar to  the way the  congress sets 
theirs.

Rik

"There is no  such thing as luck.  There is only adequate or inadequate 
preparation  to cope with a statistical  universe." ... Robert  Heinlein



Blanche DeFord wrote:
>   Rik,
>
> I am ignorant of these things.  Who sets the  board  of directors pay?
>
> Sincerely,
> Blanche   DeFord
>
> --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Rik Sandberg   <sanderico1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Rik Sandberg   <sanderico1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] John  Shulick  - I draw a distiction
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"  
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 25,  2009,  5:58 AM
>
> Wally,
>
> Agreed, corporate  officer's  compensation is ridiculous. Especially 
> considering  the amount of  personal responsibility they show. (Thain is 
> the  latest perfect  example) BUT, every one of those corporations has a  
> board of  directors that agreed to pay that compensation. Was  somebody 
> holding  a gun to their heads?? .... or are they just  that stupid. We 
> can't  blame a man for taking the money that was  offered to him.
>
>  Rik
>
> "There is no such  thing as luck. There is only adequate or 
inadequate
> preparation to  cope with a statistical universe." ...   Robert
Heinlein
>
>
>
> TN Rhodey   wrote:
>   
>> Herb, I agree with your comment  about  domestic violence. I think
John
was
>> pointing out a  possible effect  of layoffs rather than the cause of
>>   
>  domestic
>   
>>   violence,
>>
>>  If shipping jobs overseas sustains  the  long term growth of a
company
that
>> is a good thing. I  can't fault  a company for making decisions
that
>>   
>  help them
>   
>> stay in  business. I do have a  problem with US companies  taking
advantage
>>      
>  of
>   
>> sweat shop type   labor.
>>
>> I also think share holders are waking up  and  realizing  these  CEO
comp
>> packages are way  out of  line.
>>
>> Fair  Winds,
>>
>>   Wally
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009  at  8:13 AM, Herb Parsons
>>     
>   <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:
>     
>>   
>>     
>>>  Why?  Why is it wrong for those who "glibly ship millions 
of
jobs
>>>  oversees". Those are THEIR jobs to ship where  they  please.
>>>
>>> Anyone who commits  "domestic violence"  because of a
job
>>>     
> situation  IS the
>    
>>> SOB, not the person who shipped  the job  overseas.
>>>
>>>
>>> John Shulick   wrote:
>>>     
>>>      
>>>> "I draw a distiction between those who cut  off  a
reporters
>>>>          
>  head on a
>   
>>>>     
>>>>          
>>>  video,
>>>      
>>>     
>>>> attach a bomb with  shrapnel then send that  person into a
crowd  and
>>>>        
>>>>   
>>>   explode
>>>     
>>>      
>>>> the bomb, those who capture someone and wait  for a  camera to
>>>>         
>   banyonet the
>   
>>>> prisoner, you get  the  idea."
>>>>
>>>> And I see little  difference  with those who glibly ship
millions  of
>>>>       
>  jobs
>   
>>>> oversees  to further stuff  their already full pockets leaving
>>>>   
>  behind
>    
>>>>        
>>>>   
>>>  broken
>>>   
>>>        
>>>>  lives and shattered families. Have you ever  contemplated the

the
>>>>          
>  domestic
>   
>>>> violence  these suited SOBs'  have caused?
>>>>
>>>>  "I have no problem with  hanging the big horse theives. 

Try
>>>>     
> to get  your
>    
>>>> representative in Washington to  do  that.
>>>>
>>>> But I am willing to let  civil  law handle those
transgressions,
>>>>   
> since that
>     
>>>>        
>>>>   
>>>  is
>>>   
>>>        
>>>>  what it is for.  What penalty do you propose  for those in 
Congress
>>>>          
>  who
>   
>>>> demanded and  compelled banks to  loan to those who  obviously
could
>>>>       
> not  pay
>   
>>>> the   mortgage?"
>>>>
>>>> Everyone accused of a  crime  has a right to a trial before
>>>>     
> judgement is
>    
>>>>  rendered and I don't believe the gitmo detainees  have 
gotten
>>>>         
>  that. If  I'm
>   
>>>> wrong could  someone show me a  transcript of the trial.  I
believe
>>>>       
>  our
>   
>>>> discussion  was about  summery execution and the dismissal of 
common
>>>>   
>  law.
>    
>>>>        
>>>>   
>>>  Can
>>>   
>>>     
>>>> you tell  me which bill Congress passed to  made such a 
mandate
to
>>>>          
>  the
>   
>>>> investment banks that   bought fannie mae and freddy macs'
>>>>     
> securities or
>     
>>>>        
>>>>   
>>>  the
>>>   
>>>        
>>>>  bond ratings organizations who rated the stuff AAA?  If such
a
bill
>>>>          
>  was
>   
>>>> passed why didn't  doofus Bush act  like a leader and 
veto
it???
>>>>
>>>> "And if  you call  me Comrade again, I will personally
begin   to
>>>>         
> attack   you.
>   
>>>>         
>>>>         
>>>   -
>>>     
>>>      
>>>> do you understand?  I guarentee that it  will  be vitrolic and
get
>>>>           
> your
>   
>>>> attention.    Unfortunately, it will get everyone else's
>>>>   
> attention.  So
>     
>>>>        
>>>>   
>>>  learn
>>>   
>>>        
>>>>  simple  politeness."
>>>>
>>>> I will agree to   knock off the "comrade" stuff if
you
>>>>     
> will agree to stop
>     
>>>> calling myself and others on this list "marxists"  
when
>>>>         
>  we  explore
>   
>>>>       
>>>>          
>>>  different
>>>      
>>>     
>>>> ideas and opinions.  Politeness is a two way  street  please
remember
>>>>           
> that.
>   
>>>>      
>>>>          
>>>  How
>>>     
>>>    
>>>> did you get the nickname   Tootle?
>>>>
>>>> John   Shulick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    
>>>>          
>>>  --
>>> Herb   Parsons
>>>
>>>
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