[Rhodes22-list] Lee helm
Rick
sloopblueheron at gmail.com
Fri Jul 3 14:27:25 EDT 2009
All boats are designed for neutral helm. Some are better at achieving it
than others. The R22 is the best I've ever sailed at 22' or so.
Since the Consumer Product Safety Act of the '70s, it has become common
practice for manufacturers to tune planing dingies for weather helm. That
way, when the helmsman falls off, the boat rounds up into the wind and stops
without capsizing. I bought a Javelin from O'Day that was tuned that way,
but quickly set it right. A lot of people fell off that boat, including me,
but it never got away. That's because it would capsize when no one was
aboard.
There are so many ways the R22 keeps you in the cockpit, I don't worry about
falling overboard and never have. The most impressive safety feature is
that it produces extreme weather helm when the rig is overpowered and causes
the boat to heel 20 deg. I don't think even in 10' waves an R22 under sail
would capsize. Instead, I'll bet the tiller would break before the boat
could be heeled enough by resisting the helm.
Rick
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:06 AM, Leland <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
>
>
> I can understand why a little weather helm is good, but when people say
> their boats have a little weather helm I don't quite understand it. If my
> sails are balanced I have no helm at all. If I have too much Genoa out I
> get lee helm. If I have too little Genoa out I get weather helm. Aren't
> all boats like that?
>
> Lee
> 1986 Rhodes22 At Ease
> Kent Island, MD
>
>
> Alan Robertson-2 wrote:
> >
> > We have to reduce the size of the genoa during light airs to avoid lee
> > helm. If wind picks up , if we tauten foot of the jib and let it out
> > proportionately; it seems to work. No lee helm if on jib alone and
> > downwind.
> > Bigal
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: cjlowe at sssnet.com<mailto:cjlowe at sssnet.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 8:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lee helm
> >
> >
> > Did you detach the forestay from the top of the mast,in the off season
> > and
> > maybe not get it back in the same holes it came out of for this season?
> > Did you change size of the head sail,or get the sails cleaned? Maybe
> the
> > main sail isn't deploying all the way out? That's all I can think of.
> >
> > Jerry Lowe
> >
> >
> >
> > The only other thing I can think of is weight distribution. We find
> > > the boat sails better with some weight forward. We try to keep the
> > > water tank (at the aft end of the v-berth on our boat) at least 2/3
> > full.
> > >
> > > I seem to remember Stan saying that the boat should have lee to
> > > neutral helm in light air and should produce slight weather helm in
> > > heavier air.
> > >
> > > Mary Lou
> > > 1991 R22 Fretless
> > > Rock Hall, MD
> > >
> > > At 07:44 PM 7/2/2009, you wrote:
> > >>Somehow the center of force of the main is too far forward. Is your
> > mast
> > >>vertical to the centerline forward to aft? That ought not to be an
> > issue
> > >>with IMF with its wide cross section, unless your mast step is busted
> > >> funny
> > >>and tilting the mast forward. Can't think of anything, else. I
> > assume
> > >> your
> > >>main sheet is taunt and keeping the boom within the back stays.
> > >>
> > >>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Tom Bickerstaff
> > <tabick at mchsi.com<mailto:tabick at mchsi.com>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > With only the main unfurled, the helm wants to send the bow off
> the
> > >> wind.
> > >> > The topping lift is slack, the motor is all the way out of the
> > water
> > >> and
> > >> > the centerboard is all the way down.
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From:
> > rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org<mailto:
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>
> > >> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rick
> > >> > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 5:58 PM
> > >> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lee helm
> > >> >
> > >> > What does your helm feel like with only the main unfurled? I
> > assume
> > >> your
> > >> > topping lift is slack when the main is out, your motor is pulled
> > all
> > >> the
> > >> > way
> > >> > out of the water and your center/diamond board is all the way
> down.
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Tom Bickerstaff
> > <tabick at mchsi.com<mailto:tabick at mchsi.com>>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > I have IMF. So, what's the solution?
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > From:
> > rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org<mailto:
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>
> > >> > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rick
> > >> > > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:41 PM
> > >> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > >> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lee helm
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Bick,
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > A lee helm means your mainsail isn't pulling enough, assuming
> you
> > >> have
> > >> > IMF.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > If not IMF, your forestay could be too short.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Rick
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Tom Bickerstaff
> > <tabick at mchsi.com<mailto:tabick at mchsi.com>>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Help!
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > I seem to have a lee helm no matter how much jib I put out.
> It
> > >> scares
> > >> > > the
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > you-know-what out of me b/c I solo a lot. If I take a banger
> > from
> > >> the
> > >> > > boom
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > or accidentally fall overboard, where the H will the boat end
> > up?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Is my forestay too loose or too tight, or is there something
> > else
> > >> I
> > >> > > should
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > look for as being the cause?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Thanks.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Bick
> > >> > >
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