[Rhodes22-list] Here is Doyle offer on UPS pricing
Ron Singerman
sail at tds.net
Mon Mar 2 11:32:39 EST 2009
Rummy,
A yellow Rhodes 22, now that sounds interesting. Serenity is white gelcoat
and since I spend most of my time sailing in FL I wanted a light color
hull. It has been shown that the cabin temperature is affected by the
darker hull colors. I bet you will have the only yellow R-22. Thanks...
>>ron<<
S/V Serenity
----- Original Message -----
From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Here is Doyle offer on UPS pricing
> Ron,
> I have the spike on the end that goes into the eye on the bottom of the
> 175.
> I use the catch to clamp it down in a lot of different places. I do have a
> pad eye on the front of the mast, but have never used this location to
> lock it
> down. I find the stays much more accessible from the cockpit and allow me
> to
> try different configurations. Besides, after a couple of rum and cokes, I
> really shouldn't be on the forward deck anyway. You are correct on your
> assumption that I have the 6 to 12. It wasn't extremely expensive and
> serves me well.
> Should it happen to break or go overboard, not much to replace it. I had
> a
> larger and much heavier one, but I found it to be to cumbersome and gave
> it to
> a friend with a much larger boat. The twist lock works fine. One of these
> days I will find out the best places to mount it and will use a marker to
> mark
> the different lengths so I don't have to guess how long to extend it.
> Man, just talking about sailing is starting to make it itch. We had some
> rain and snow over the weekend and the lake has come back up some. This is
> real
> progress.
> I have been looking at paint chips from DuPont trying to land on a color
> to
> paint RumRunner. She was originally blue from the factory, but since I
> have
> black sunshades on the sails, I can go in almost any direction. I have
> been
> toying with painting her either red or yellow. The yellow is a very bright
> yellow and certainly would be noticeable out on the lake. What do you all
> think
> about yellow?
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 3/2/2009 10:29:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> sail at tds.net writes:
>
> Rummy,
>
> I am assuming that your whisker pole is the Forespar small twistlock 6-12
> that WM has in it's catalog. Do you have the trigger on both ends, or
> the
> spike on one end? Thanks...
>
>>>ron<<
> S/V Serenity
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 7:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Here is Doyle offer on UPS pricing
>
>
>> Caesar,
>> I am probably one of the most stubborn sailors on this list. I hate
>> having
>> stuff on my boat just for the sake of having it. It took me many years
>> before I
>> broke down and purchased a whisker pole. Having done that I am very
>> happy
>> to
>> have it stored in my V berth when not being used. It is probably the
>> best
>> purchase (not including rum) that I have made. There are many ways to
>> use
>> it
>> and I'm still learning. It has made the 175 a very useful and dynamic
>> sail.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 3/1/2009 9:26:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> caesarpaul01 at yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> Thanks guys,
>>
>> Last Summer was my first sailing season, having acquired the boat in
>> early
>> May. I sail on a lake and to date more often than not i have
>> experienced
>> light winds, winds in which my 175 collapses even when reefed somewhat.
>> As you
>> may have experienced, it not fun being dead in open water, with no
>> motion
>> and
>> no shelter. To might delight, my wife insisted that I get bimini.
>>
>> Next Problem: I am looking for a way to sail on most points of sail,
>> if
>> not
>> all points of sail in very light air. I have found that poling out the
>> 175
>> helps a lot on reach to run legs with light winds. Without the pole
>> the
>> 175
>> collapses on itself.
>>
>> I have heard from this list that UPS allows you to sail on most points
>> of
>> sail in very light air, say from 2-3 mph, and not just on a run. It
>> will
>> fill
>> out,and not collapse even in a chop, and allow you sail slowly on any
>> point
>> of sail, even when others are dead in the water.
>>
>> Is there any lake sailor, or sailor in frequent fickle winds, who can
>> help
>> me/us get a fair sense of the performance of the UPS on the various
>> points of
>> sail, and not just on a run in very light air?
>>
>> Sailing down wind in light air, wing on wing, with the genny poled out
>> is
>> a
>> lot of fun. Is it Rummy who reminded us that doing the same in a good
>> wind
>> is close to extreme sailing.
>>
>> The question again is: will a UPS allow a Rhodes 22 sailor to sail on
>> all,
>> or most points of sail in winds from, say 2 mph? I am looking for a
>> way
>> to
>> beat the "dead in the water blues."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Blue Heron <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Blue Heron <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Here is Doyle offer on UPS pricing
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 3:42 PM
>>
>> Caesar,
>>
>> ROI = Return On Investment. I haven't found the UPS any better than
>> the
>> 175
>> genny on any tack other than a run. In fact, the weight of the genny
>> lets
>> it keep its shape much better than the UPS when you heel away from an
>> almost
>> dead wind.
>>
>> Albeit, the UPS is effective and fun on a run in light air. I was once
>> first over the finish line by using my UPS. The people on shore said
>> my
>> boat looked like a frigate plowing through the fleet. Trouble was, it
>> was a
>> JAM race and the committee decided against me on a protest, classifying
>> the
>> UPS as a spinaker rather than a jib and only one jib allowed anywey.
>>
>> If you do a lot of downwind sailing in light air, consider getting a
>> UPS.
>> I
>> just haven't encountered those conditions frequent enough since I got
>> mine.
>> Plus, I hate being DNQ.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Caesar Paul <caesarpaul01 at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Rick,
>>>
>>> Was does ROI mean?
>>>
>>> Have you been ever out sailing and there was not enough wind to fill
>>> out
>>> the genny, and being dead in the water, the UPS got you moving again?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Caesar
>>>
>>> --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Blue Heron <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Blue Heron <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Here is Doyle offer on UPS pricing
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 11:13 AM
>>>
>>> Since the UPS is mounted inside the fore stay, you need to drop it to
>>> effectively use the genny. The exception to effectively using the
>>> genny
>> is
>>> when you wing-on-wing it with the genny.
>>>
>>> It doesn't make much sense to use the UPS partially furled, so the
>> furler
>>> is
>>> mainly a convenience to deploying and stiking the sail. I'm averse
>>> to
>>> going
>>> out on the bow deck these days and the furler makes it completely
>>> possible
>>> to manage the sail fully from within the cabin with the pop top up .
>>> (You
>>> wouldn't want to deploy the UPS anyway when conditions are not
>> conducive to
>>> sailing with the pop top up.)
>>>
>>> I've found I can pretty much get to wind speed on a run using the UPS
>>> wing-on-wing with the genny that is is poled out. However, I don't
>>> think the UPS pulls any better than the 175 genny on a reach in light
>>> air.
>>>
>>> Since I do mainly coastal day sailing, which means my light air
>>> sailing
>>> is mainly on a reach to sea breezes or coast influenced prevailing
>>> winds,
>>> there's only a few days each season I get an opportunity to run in
>>> light air. All-in-all, I've found the UPS has the lowest ROI of any
>>> thousand bucks I've spent on my boat.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 6:28 PM, cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > How do most people like to use the ups, always installed with
>>> > furling
>>> > mechanism or manual only when needed?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > R Orkin wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p22235080/Doyle%2BSails%2B2009%2BRhodes%2B22%2BUPS%
>> 2BOffer%2B%25281%2529.pdf
>>> > > Doyle+Sails+2009+Rhodes+22+UPS+Offer+%281%29.pdf
>>> > >
>>> > > If the PDF file is not readable..
>>> > > $644 for the Sail + 30 shipping
>>> > > Add a Furling Kit
>>> > > RWO Continuous line furler
>>> > > with control line loop
>>> > > and sheets $225
>>> > > Contact: Paul Beaudin
>>> > > Doyle Sailmakers 225 Fordham Street City Island, NY 10464
>>> > > 800-237-4453 Email doylesails at verizon.net
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > --
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>>> >
>>>
>>>
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