[Rhodes22-list] Here is Doyle offer on UPS pricing

John Lock jlock at relevantarts.com
Mon Mar 2 11:48:28 EST 2009


My first question would be "How will it look with our familiar orange  
stain on it?".

Yellow would be great - like the Pettit ads used to say "Think of it  
is wildly colorful underwear, not often revealed, but when it is grab  
your seat and hold onto the handrails!"

Cheers!
John Lock
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s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
Lake Sinclair, GA
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On Mar 2, 2009, at 10:57, R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> Ron,
> I have the spike on the end that goes into the eye on the bottom of  
> the  175.
> I use the catch to clamp it down in a lot of different places. I do  
> have a
> pad eye on the front of the mast, but have never used this location  
> to lock it
> down. I find the stays much more accessible from the cockpit and  
> allow me to
> try  different configurations. Besides, after a couple of rum and  
> cokes, I
> really  shouldn't be on the forward deck anyway. You are correct on  
> your
> assumption that  I have the 6 to 12. It wasn't extremely expensive  
> and serves me well.
> Should it  happen to break or go overboard, not much to replace it.  
> I had a
> larger and much  heavier one, but I found it to be to cumbersome and  
> gave it to
> a friend with a  much larger boat. The twist lock works fine. One of  
> these
> days I will find out  the best places to mount it and will use a  
> marker to mark
> the different lengths  so I don't have to guess how long to extend it.
> Man, just talking about sailing is starting to make it itch. We had  
> some
> rain and snow over the weekend and the lake has come back up some.  
> This is real
> progress.
> I have been looking at paint chips from DuPont trying to land on a  
> color to
> paint RumRunner. She was originally blue from the factory, but since  
> I have
> black sunshades on the sails, I can go in almost any direction. I  
> have been
> toying with painting her either red or yellow. The yellow is a very  
> bright
> yellow and certainly would be noticeable out on the lake. What do  
> you all think
> about yellow?
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 3/2/2009 10:29:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> sail at tds.net writes:
>
> Rummy,
>
> I am assuming that your whisker pole is the Forespar  small  
> twistlock 6-12
> that WM has in it's catalog.  Do you have the  trigger on both ends,  
> or the
> spike on one end?  Thanks...
>
>>> ron<<
> S/V Serenity
>
> ----- Original  Message -----
> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> To:  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 7:19  AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Here is Doyle offer on UPS  pricing
>
>
>> Caesar,
>> I am probably one of the most stubborn  sailors on this list. I  
>> hate having
>> stuff on my boat just for the sake  of having it. It took me many  
>> years
>> before I
>> broke down and  purchased a whisker pole. Having done that I am  
>> very happy
>> to
>> have it stored in my V berth when not being used. It is probably  
>> the  best
>> purchase (not including rum) that I have made. There are many  ways  
>> to use
>> it
>> and  I'm still learning. It has made the  175 a very useful and  
>> dynamic
>> sail.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 3/1/2009 9:26:29 P.M. Eastern  Standard Time,
>> caesarpaul01 at yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> Thanks  guys,
>>
>> Last Summer was my first sailing season,  having   acquired the  
>> boat in
>> early
>> May.  I  sail on a lake and to date more often  than not i have   
>> experienced
>> light winds, winds in which my 175 collapses even   when reefed  
>> somewhat.
>> As you
>> may have experienced, it not fun  being dead  in open water, with  
>> no motion
>> and
>> no  shelter.  To might delight, my  wife insisted that I get  bimini.
>>
>> Next Problem:  I am  looking for a way to  sail on most points of  
>> sail, if
>> not
>> all points of sail  in  very light air.  I have found that poling  
>> out the
>> 175
>> helps a lot on  reach to run legs with light winds.   Without the  
>> pole the
>> 175
>> collapses  on  itself.
>>
>> I have heard from this list that UPS allows you   to sail on most  
>> points of
>> sail in very light air, say from 2-3 mph,  and not  just on a run.   
>> It will
>> fill
>> out,and not  collapse even in a chop,  and allow you sail slowly on  
>> any
>> point
>> of sail, even when others are dead  in the  water.
>>
>> Is there any lake sailor, or sailor in frequent   fickle winds, who  
>> can
>> help
>> me/us get a fair sense of   the performance of the UPS on the various
>> points of
>> sail,  and  not just on a run in very light air?
>>
>> Sailing down  wind in light  air, wing on wing, with the genny  
>> poled out is
>> a
>> lot of fun.  Is it Rummy  who reminded us that doing the  same in a  
>> good
>> wind
>> is close to extreme   sailing.
>>
>> The question again is: will a UPS allow a Rhodes  22  sailor to  
>> sail on
>> all,
>> or most points of sail in  winds from, say  2 mph?  I am looking  
>> for a way
>> to
>> beat the "dead in the water   blues."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Blue   Heron <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Blue  Heron  <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list] Here is Doyle  offer on UPS pricing
>> To: "The  Rhodes 22 Email List"  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Date:  Sunday, March 1, 2009, 3:42  PM
>>
>> Caesar,
>>
>> ROI = Return On Investment.  I haven't found the  UPS any better   
>> than the
>> 175
>> genny on any tack other than a run.   In  fact, the weight of the  
>> genny
>> lets
>> it keep its shape  much better than the  UPS when you heel away  
>> from an
>> almost
>> dead wind.
>>
>> Albeit, the UPS is  effective  and fun on a run in light air.  I  
>> was once
>> first over the   finish line by using my UPS.  The people on shore  
>> said my
>> boat  looked  like a frigate plowing through the fleet.  Trouble  
>> was, it
>> was a
>> JAM  race and the committee decided against me on  a protest,  
>> classifying
>> the
>> UPS  as a spinaker rather  than a jib and only one jib allowed  
>> anywey.
>>
>> If you  do a  lot of downwind sailing in light air, consider  
>> getting a UPS.
>> I
>> just haven't encountered those conditions frequent enough since I   
>> got
>> mine.
>> Plus, I hate being DNQ.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at  5:38 PM, Caesar Paul   
>> <caesarpaul01 at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  Rick,
>>>
>>> Was does ROI mean?
>>>
>>> Have  you been ever  out sailing and there was not enough wind to  
>>> fill  out
>>> the genny, and  being dead in the water, the UPS got you  moving  
>>> again?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Caesar
>>>
>>> --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Blue Heron   <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Blue  Heron  <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list] Here is  Doyle offer on UPS pricing
>>> To: "The  Rhodes 22 Email  List"
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Date: Sunday, March 1,   2009, 11:13 AM
>>>
>>> Since the UPS is mounted inside  the fore  stay, you need to drop  
>>> it to
>>> effectively use the  genny.  The  exception to effectively using  
>>> the genny
>> is
>>> when you wing-on-wing  it with the  genny.
>>>
>>> It doesn't make much sense to use the UPS   partially furled, so the
>> furler
>>> is
>>> mainly a  convenience to  deploying and stiking the sail.  I'm  
>>> averse  to
>>> going
>>> out  on the bow deck these days and the  furler makes it completely
>>> possible
>>> to manage  the sail fully from within the cabin with the pop top  
>>> up .
>>> (You
>>> wouldn't want to deploy the UPS anyway when conditions  are  not
>> conducive to
>>> sailing with the pop top  up.)
>>>
>>> I've  found I can pretty much get to wind  speed on a run using  
>>> the UPS
>>> wing-on-wing with the genny  that is is poled out.  However, I   
>>> don't
>>> think the UPS  pulls any better than the 175 genny on a reach in   
>>> light
>>> air.
>>>
>>> Since I do mainly coastal day sailing, which  means  my light air  
>>> sailing
>>> is mainly on a reach to sea  breezes or coast  influenced prevailing
>>> winds,
>>> there's only a few days each season I get  an opportunity to run  in
>>> light air.  All-in-all, I've found the  UPS has the  lowest ROI of  
>>> any
>>> thousand bucks I've spent on my   boat.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 28,  2009 at 6:28 PM,  cowie  
>>> <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> How do most people  like to use the ups, always installed  with  
>>>> furling
>>>> mechanism or manual only when needed?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> R Orkin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p22235080/Doyle%2BSails%2B2009%2BRhodes%2B22%2BUPS 
> %
>> 2BOffer%2B%25281%2529.pdf
>>>>> Doyle+Sails+2009+Rhodes+22+UPS+Offer+%281%29.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> If the PDF file is not readable..
>>>>> $644 for the Sail + 30 shipping
>>>>> Add a Furling  Kit
>>>>> RWO Continuous line furler
>>>>> with control line  loop
>>>>> and sheets  $225
>>>>> Contact: Paul  Beaudin
>>>>> Doyle Sailmakers 225 Fordham Street City Island, NY   10464
>>>>> 800-237-4453 Email  doylesails at verizon.net
>>>>>
>>>>
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