[Rhodes22-list] advice needed from litigious Rhodies

Wed Nov 4 20:39:07 EST 2009

Mike,

Agreed,  the ballast needs to be either full or empty.  Macgregor has a foolproof test, even for dumbies.  Feel at the top of the ballast tank for the top of the water fill.  Difficult to screw that one up...

Art

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>Sent: Nov 4, 2009 6:00 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] advice needed from litigious Rhodies
>
>Lee,
>
>Yep, 1400 lbs of ballast is 1400 lbs of ballast except when it moves.  The 
>major problem with water is that it "sloshes", for lack of a better word and 
>lead or cement do not (at least at normal temps.)  Some of the mishaps with 
>cruise ships and freighters were due to movement of cargo or water ballast 
>as the vessel rolled (heeling in sailboats.)  If the ballast compartment is 
>not completely full, disaster can strike.
>
>Mike
>s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>Nissequogue River, NY
>
>From: "KUHN, LELAND" Wednesday, November 04, 2009 4:08 PM
>> Rick,
>>
>> 1,400 pounds (or l,l50 pounds)
>>
>> http://www.macgregor26.com/water_ballast/water_ballast.htm
>>
>> is the same weight no matter if it's lead or water.  The only real
>> difference is that lead takes up eleven times less space than water.
>> Our Rhodes sailboats have 700 pounds of ballast.  The lower the weight
>> the more the righting capability but weight is weight no matter if it's
>> water or lead.  Water ballast works, it just takes up eleven times more
>> space than lead.
>>
>> I welcome disagreement from the physicists and engineers out there.
>>
>> Lee
>> 1986 Rhodes22  At Ease
>> Kent Island, MD
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Arthur H.
>> Czerwonky
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 3:28 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] advice needed from litigious Rhodies
>>
>> Rick,
>>
>> Consider that the water adds 1400# to the ballast, other stability
>> questions not considered.  Validating the stability issue would be easy
>> - with mast and sail and ballast in place, pull the mast toward the
>> water and determine at what point the tension on the mast line zeroes
>> out.  If the tension remains, the boat will have a natural positive
>> righting moment.
>>
>> This does not allow for the dumbie who, like others before, operate the
>> boat improperly or who cannot read the directions.
>>
>> Macgregor will sell the new spreader assembly so that the mast can have
>> the stays properly aligned, GB might obtain for free as a professional
>> courtesy fm MacG.
>>
>> Make sense?
>>
>> Art
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>>>Sent: Nov 4, 2009 3:06 PM
>>>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] advice needed from litigious Rhodies
>>>
>>>Art,
>>>
>>>An IMF mast would probably cause a water ballast MacGregor to turtle.
>>>
>>>Please explain: "Stan no longer has new IMF capability."
>>>
>>>Rick
>>>
>>>On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Arthur H. Czerwonky
>> <czerwonky at earthlink.net
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rick,
>>>>
>>>> I wonder who could know - a typical Catalina owner will be the best
>> judge.
>>>>  BTW, no secret that we can be helpful in promoting this if we have
>> posted
>>>> pictures and info.  I have toyed seriously with putting the IMF on a
>>>> MacGregor to test for stability.  Anyone who has had the thrill of
>> raising a
>>>> MacGregor mainsail from their awkward deck station would understand
>> the
>>>> value in this.  There are alot of Macgregor owners who would thirst
>> at this
>>>> prospect - talk about a market for the IMF.  I mention this knowing
>> that
>>>> Tootle certified that Stan no longer has new IMF capability.
>> Hopefully this
>>>> is not true.
>>>>
>>>> Art
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>>>> >Sent: Nov 4, 2009 2:35 PM
>>>> >To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] advice needed from litigious Rhodies
>>>> >
>>>> >Stan,
>>>> >
>>>> >Doesn't sound any different than companies that supe up sports cars.
>> How
>>>> >much for the suped up Catalina?
>>>> >
>>>> >Rick
>>>> >
>>>> >On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:16 PM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> last time things got bad, to broaden our price marking base  we
>> went
>>>> into
>>>> >> recycling Rhodes
>>>> >>
>>>> >> this time, to broaden our base and not keep losing those prospects
>> who
>>>> want
>>>> >> a little bit bigger boat (since no Rhodes took us up on the Rhodes
>> 27
>>>> >> projected) we bought a Catalina 25 and have torn it apart.   we
>> are
>>>> going to
>>>> >> try and make it into a Catalina-Rhodes hybrid:   IMF, combo
>> keel/cb,
>>>> >> electric tilting motor lift, etc.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> it is being sold as a used Catalina 25 that we have recycled and
>>>> upgraded.
>>>> >>    Can Frank butler (he owns Catalina) legally complain?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ss
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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