[Rhodes22-list] UPS Sail for Rhodes 22

Mon Apr 26 16:13:53 EDT 2010

This is my second season with my new Rhodes and I have the 175 and love it.  Last Friday's sail across the bay was a good example of how I let the sail out only about 1/3 of the way beating into a 14kt wind, sheets in the number one cabin top position, gradually moved the sheets to the number two cabin side position and on the way back with the wind moderating let out the entire 175 with the sheets in the number three outside position.  I like the ease of changing sheet positions and various sail size settings the 175 offers.

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-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Lock
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:52 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] UPS Sail for Rhodes 22

I think the point being lost here is that you do not have to deploy  
the entire 175 all the time.  If you're heeled over far enough the  
keel is showing, you're flying too much sail... period.  Furl that  
baby in.

Now... there are many who would argue that the 175 loses a lot of sail  
shape (and therefore advantage) when you start furling it in.   
Discussions of luff pads and other solutions have gone by here  
before.  But if you find yourself sailing with the 175 partially  
furled most of the time, then you're a definitely a candidate for a  
150 or 135 + UPS.

Cheers!
John Lock
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s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
Lake Sinclair, GA
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On Apr 26, 2010, at 14:16, David Culp wrote:
> We have a lot of discussions about sails.  I went with a 135 so I can
> fully fly it inside the shrouds to improve pointing since I spend a
> lot of time beating into pretty good winds.  If I had someone on board
> who could sit on the rail, I would have gone for a 150% too.
>
> Still, if you sail on bays or wide lakes the 175% makes a lot of sense
> especially if you have the luxury of reaching .  I sailed it for a few
> years and just thought I was incompetent with it until everyone I
> sailed with or against pointed out how they enjoyed seeing my keel and
> centerboard exposed all the time as they were passing me.  Time and
> again the more experienced would say you need to keep that boat on its
> feet and the boat is overpowered with that big sail out and just you
> on board.  To be fair, my 175 is quite old and blown out which doesn't
> help and probably part of the problem.  Anyway, so I kept it furled
> and the boat on its feet, but with that big roll on the forestay,
> pointing suffered and where I sail you need to point.  I look forward
> to trying out the 135% once I can pull the boat and change it.
>
> David
>
>
> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:00:00 -0500
> From: Ronald Lipton <ronald.lipton at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] UPS Sail for Rhodes 22
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> I have a UPS and a 150% genoa.  This seems to be a good compromise
> mixture.  The 150 is
> fine for moderate winds, and the UPS comes out if the wind is very  
> light.
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> Mary Lou Troy wrote:
>> Lee,
>>
>> I wouldn't replace the genoa with an UPS either but you can sail  
>> well with
>> the UPS well above a broad reach in light air. It won't take you  
>> close
>> hauled but it seems to work nicely for almost everything else.  
>> Because it's
>> such a light weight sail it doesn't collapse as quickly as the  
>> genoa and it
>> refills more quickly. It is, of course (here's the tradeoffs), more  
>> work to
>> set up and expensive. It's also a heck of a lot of fun to sail.  
>> Attached
>> should be a picture of us sailing up the Chester with the UPS at  
>> something
>> above a broad reach.
>>
>> Mary Lou
>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>> Rock Hall, MD
>>
>>
>> At 10:53 AM 4/26/2010, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe,
>>
>> I'd love to have a UPS but I don't think I'd replace my Genoa with  
>> one.
>> I'm not sure if the UPS would perform as well except downwind in  
>> light
>> air.  You would probably need to replace the sail more often too.
>>
>> On a close reach I can usually fill my 175 once the wind exceeds 3
>> knots.  On a run in light wind I hold the Genoa open with a whisker
>> pole.  I'm sure it doesn't work as well as a UPS but it helps.  As a
>> daysailor I try to avoid running in light wind.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Lee
>> 1986 Rhodes22  AT EASE
>> K
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