[Rhodes22-list] Demasting

[Hank]

Isn't that hole where you would attach a UPS?  He always has the
option of adding the UPS also.

Hank

On 8/18/10, R22RumRunner at aol.com <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> John and David,
> To be sure, we don't really know what he has on the bow for a stay or
> anchor attachment. He has promised more photo's this weekend. It will be
> easier
> to decide what to do once we know what hardware he has. I agree, the hole
> needs  to be resealed and never used again. Duct tape underneath and then
> fill with  epoxy gets my vote.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 8/17/2010 6:23:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> jlock at relevantarts.com writes:
>
> Agreed,  your explanation is much clearer (and more accurate) than
> mine.  I also missed the part where the nut had actually backed  off,
> so maybe the deck core is sound and a proper forestay  attachment is
> all that's needed.
>
> Cheers!
> John  Lock
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
> Lake Sinclair,  GA
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2010, at 18:03, David Culp  wrote:
>> John:
>>
>>> Clearly attaching the forestay in  that manner was dangerously
>>> inadequate.
>> That part  of the deck is not reinforced to handle the loads
>> generated by  a
>> full jib under sail.>
>>
>> A little clarification  here.  The deck can certainly handle the load
>> of a
>>  mere jib.  I have through-bolted an eye just behind my furler for  my
>> new UPS
>> sail which is basically a light weight 155%  genoa.  It was done
>> correctly
>> with a large  diameter bolt-eye with backing plate and the other
>> attach  point
>> is on the upper mast.  When sailing, the deck mounting  takes some of
>> the
>> load of the UPS but the rest is  spread to the rig.  What I think you
>> meant
>> to say  was that the deck is not designed to take the full load of
>> the  whole
>> rig which is the mast, boom and all the wind forces generated by  the
>> whole
>> sail plan.  That I agree with, it is not  intended to do that  but it
>> speaks
>> to the  stoutness of our decks that it was doing it in this case-
>> until  the
>> nut came off.  NO WAY would I ever set this rig up in that  manner
>> again.
>> The only thing the forestay was  accomplishing was taking enough of
>> the load
>> preventing  the failure of the the lower shroud which looks like it was
>>  shouldering most of the load.  Shrouds that carry the load of the
>> whole sail
>> plan should ALWAYS be attached to  chain-plates.
>>
>> IMO-Bill needs to bolt-seal the deck hole, get a  pulpit hanger for his
>> anchor and use a chain-strap on the bow to  re-attach the forestay.
>>
>> David  Culp
>>
>>
>>
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org  [mailto:
>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John  Lock
>> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 10:53 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22  Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Demasting
>>
>>  Clearly attaching the forestay in that manner was dangerously
>>  inadequate.  That part of the deck is not reinforced to handle  the
>> loads generated by a full jib under sail.
>>
>> Since  your boat seems to have something different about the anchor
>>  installation, you need to consider two alternatives:
>>
>> 1) Remove  the anchor and mount it in some other fashion so the
>> forestay and can  be attached to a bow-mounted chainplate and secured
>>  properly.
>>
>> 2) Barring that, you should reinforce under the deck  where the bolt
>> passes thru with some stiff marine plywood or a  chainplate and use one
>> or two big, wide fender washers under the nut  to spread the load out.
>> Even so, I'd be cautious about that solution  since the deck wasn't
>> designed to do that.  You also have a nice  hole to leak into the
>> forepeak and deck core... sealing will be  critical.
>>
>> Come to think of it... that may be why the rig  failed!  Water leaking
>> thru that mounting hole softened the deck  core and allowed the washer
>> and nut to be pulled straight thru.   Better check that area carefully
>> and repair the deck core as  necessary.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> John Lock
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