[Rhodes22-list] Demasting

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John and David,
To be sure, we don't really know what he has on the bow for a stay or  
anchor attachment. He has promised more photo's this weekend. It will be easier  
to decide what to do once we know what hardware he has. I agree, the hole 
needs  to be resealed and never used again. Duct tape underneath and then 
fill with  epoxy gets my vote.
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 8/17/2010 6:23:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jlock at relevantarts.com writes:

Agreed,  your explanation is much clearer (and more accurate) than   
mine.  I also missed the part where the nut had actually backed  off,  
so maybe the deck core is sound and a proper forestay  attachment is  
all that's needed.

Cheers!
John  Lock
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s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
Lake Sinclair,  GA
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On Aug 17, 2010, at 18:03, David Culp  wrote:
> John:
>
>> Clearly attaching the forestay in  that manner was dangerously  
>> inadequate.
> That part  of the deck is not reinforced to handle the loads  
> generated by  a
> full jib under sail.>
>
> A little clarification  here.  The deck can certainly handle the load  
> of a
>  mere jib.  I have through-bolted an eye just behind my furler for  my  
> new UPS
> sail which is basically a light weight 155%  genoa.  It was done  
> correctly
> with a large  diameter bolt-eye with backing plate and the other  
> attach  point
> is on the upper mast.  When sailing, the deck mounting  takes some of  
> the
> load of the UPS but the rest is  spread to the rig.  What I think you  
> meant
> to say  was that the deck is not designed to take the full load of  
> the  whole
> rig which is the mast, boom and all the wind forces generated by  the  
> whole
> sail plan.  That I agree with, it is not  intended to do that  but it  
> speaks
> to the  stoutness of our decks that it was doing it in this case- 
> until  the
> nut came off.  NO WAY would I ever set this rig up in that  manner  
> again.
> The only thing the forestay was  accomplishing was taking enough of  
> the load
> preventing  the failure of the the lower shroud which looks like it was
>  shouldering most of the load.  Shrouds that carry the load of the   
> whole sail
> plan should ALWAYS be attached to  chain-plates.
>
> IMO-Bill needs to bolt-seal the deck hole, get a  pulpit hanger for his
> anchor and use a chain-strap on the bow to  re-attach the forestay.
>
> David  Culp
>
>
>
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org  [mailto:
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John  Lock
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 10:53 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22  Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Demasting
>
>  Clearly attaching the forestay in that manner was dangerously
>  inadequate.  That part of the deck is not reinforced to handle  the
> loads generated by a full jib under sail.
>
> Since  your boat seems to have something different about the anchor
>  installation, you need to consider two alternatives:
>
> 1) Remove  the anchor and mount it in some other fashion so the
> forestay and can  be attached to a bow-mounted chainplate and secured
>  properly.
>
> 2) Barring that, you should reinforce under the deck  where the bolt
> passes thru with some stiff marine plywood or a  chainplate and use one
> or two big, wide fender washers under the nut  to spread the load out.
> Even so, I'd be cautious about that solution  since the deck wasn't
> designed to do that.  You also have a nice  hole to leak into the
> forepeak and deck core... sealing will be  critical.
>
> Come to think of it... that may be why the rig  failed!  Water leaking
> thru that mounting hole softened the deck  core and allowed the washer
> and nut to be pulled straight thru.   Better check that area carefully
> and repair the deck core as  necessary.
>
> Cheers!
> John Lock
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