[Rhodes22-list] Demasting

Hank hnw555 at gmail.com
Wed Aug 18 09:11:22 EDT 2010 

The Doyle package has them connected to a padeye on the deck.
http://www.rhodes22.org/upssail/index.html

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:42 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:

> Hank,
> I would want any hardware for flying a UPS attached to something a little
> stronger than a bolt through the deck. I want to see what his current
> hardware  looks like before offering any advice.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 8/18/2010 8:07:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>  hnw555 at gmail.com writes:
>
> Isn't  that hole where you would attach a UPS?  He always has the
> option of  adding the UPS also.
>
> Hank
>
> On 8/18/10, R22RumRunner at aol.com  <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> > John and David,
> > To be  sure, we don't really know what he has on the bow for a stay or
> > anchor  attachment. He has promised more photo's this weekend. It will be
> >  easier
> > to decide what to do once we know what hardware he has. I  agree, the
> hole
> > needs  to be resealed and never used again. Duct  tape underneath and
> then
> > fill with  epoxy gets my  vote.
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > In a message dated  8/17/2010 6:23:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > jlock at relevantarts.com  writes:
> >
> > Agreed,  your explanation is much clearer (and  more accurate) than
> > mine.  I also missed the part where the nut  had actually backed  off,
> > so maybe the deck core is sound and a  proper forestay  attachment is
> > all that's needed.
> >
> >  Cheers!
> > John  Lock
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > s/v Pandion  - '79 Rhodes 22
> > Lake Sinclair,  GA
> >  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> > On Aug 17, 2010, at 18:03, David  Culp  wrote:
> >> John:
> >>
> >>> Clearly  attaching the forestay in  that manner was dangerously
> >>>  inadequate.
> >> That part  of the deck is not reinforced to  handle the loads
> >> generated by  a
> >> full jib under  sail.>
> >>
> >> A little clarification  here.  The  deck can certainly handle the load
> >> of a
> >>  mere  jib.  I have through-bolted an eye just behind my furler for   my
> >> new UPS
> >> sail which is basically a light weight  155%  genoa.  It was done
> >> correctly
> >> with a  large  diameter bolt-eye with backing plate and the other
> >>  attach  point
> >> is on the upper mast.  When sailing, the  deck mounting  takes some of
> >> the
> >> load of the UPS  but the rest is  spread to the rig.  What I think you
> >>  meant
> >> to say  was that the deck is not designed to take the  full load of
> >> the  whole
> >> rig which is the mast,  boom and all the wind forces generated by  the
> >>  whole
> >> sail plan.  That I agree with, it is not  intended  to do that  but it
> >> speaks
> >> to the  stoutness  of our decks that it was doing it in this case-
> >> until   the
> >> nut came off.  NO WAY would I ever set this rig up in  that  manner
> >> again.
> >> The only thing the forestay  was  accomplishing was taking enough of
> >> the load
> >>  preventing  the failure of the the lower shroud which looks like it
>  was
> >>  shouldering most of the load.  Shrouds that carry  the load of the
> >> whole sail
> >> plan should ALWAYS be  attached to  chain-plates.
> >>
> >> IMO-Bill needs to  bolt-seal the deck hole, get a  pulpit hanger for his
> >> anchor  and use a chain-strap on the bow to  re-attach the  forestay.
> >>
> >> David   Culp
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org  [mailto:
> >>  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John  Lock
> >>  Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 10:53 AM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22   Email List
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Demasting
> >>
> >>  Clearly attaching the forestay in that  manner was dangerously
> >>  inadequate.  That part of the  deck is not reinforced to handle  the
> >> loads generated by a  full jib under sail.
> >>
> >> Since  your boat seems to  have something different about the anchor
> >>  installation, you  need to consider two alternatives:
> >>
> >> 1) Remove  the  anchor and mount it in some other fashion so the
> >> forestay and  can  be attached to a bow-mounted chainplate and  secured
> >>  properly.
> >>
> >> 2) Barring that,  you should reinforce under the deck  where the bolt
> >> passes  thru with some stiff marine plywood or a  chainplate and use
>  one
> >> or two big, wide fender washers under the nut  to spread  the load out.
> >> Even so, I'd be cautious about that solution   since the deck wasn't
> >> designed to do that.  You also have a  nice  hole to leak into the
> >> forepeak and deck core... sealing  will be  critical.
> >>
> >> Come to think of it... that  may be why the rig  failed!  Water leaking
> >> thru that  mounting hole softened the deck  core and allowed the washer
> >>  and nut to be pulled straight thru.   Better check that area  carefully
> >> and repair the deck core as   necessary.
> >>
> >> Cheers!
> >> John  Lock
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