[Rhodes22-list] Demasting

Rhodes Net bobandkathyr22 at bellsouth.net
Wed Aug 18 16:01:45 EDT 2010 

A strong padeye through bolted with sturdy backing plate would be my option.

Bob on R22 "NoKaOi 3"

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On Aug 18, 2010, at 5:42 AM, R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:

> Hank,
> I would want any hardware for flying a UPS attached to something a little  
> stronger than a bolt through the deck. I want to see what his current 
> hardware  looks like before offering any advice.
> 
> Rummy
> 
> 
> In a message dated 8/18/2010 8:07:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> hnw555 at gmail.com writes:
> 
> Isn't  that hole where you would attach a UPS?  He always has the
> option of  adding the UPS also.
> 
> Hank
> 
> On 8/18/10, R22RumRunner at aol.com  <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>> John and David,
>> To be  sure, we don't really know what he has on the bow for a stay or
>> anchor  attachment. He has promised more photo's this weekend. It will be
>> easier
>> to decide what to do once we know what hardware he has. I  agree, the hole
>> needs  to be resealed and never used again. Duct  tape underneath and then
>> fill with  epoxy gets my  vote.
>> 
>> Rummy
>> 
>> 
>> In a message dated  8/17/2010 6:23:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> jlock at relevantarts.com  writes:
>> 
>> Agreed,  your explanation is much clearer (and  more accurate) than
>> mine.  I also missed the part where the nut  had actually backed  off,
>> so maybe the deck core is sound and a  proper forestay  attachment is
>> all that's needed.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> John  Lock
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> s/v Pandion  - '79 Rhodes 22
>> Lake Sinclair,  GA
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 17, 2010, at 18:03, David  Culp  wrote:
>>> John:
>>> 
>>>> Clearly  attaching the forestay in  that manner was dangerously
>>>> inadequate.
>>> That part  of the deck is not reinforced to  handle the loads
>>> generated by  a
>>> full jib under  sail.>
>>> 
>>> A little clarification  here.  The  deck can certainly handle the load
>>> of a
>>> mere  jib.  I have through-bolted an eye just behind my furler for   my
>>> new UPS
>>> sail which is basically a light weight  155%  genoa.  It was done
>>> correctly
>>> with a  large  diameter bolt-eye with backing plate and the other
>>> attach  point
>>> is on the upper mast.  When sailing, the  deck mounting  takes some of
>>> the
>>> load of the UPS  but the rest is  spread to the rig.  What I think you
>>> meant
>>> to say  was that the deck is not designed to take the  full load of
>>> the  whole
>>> rig which is the mast,  boom and all the wind forces generated by  the
>>> whole
>>> sail plan.  That I agree with, it is not  intended  to do that  but it
>>> speaks
>>> to the  stoutness  of our decks that it was doing it in this case-
>>> until   the
>>> nut came off.  NO WAY would I ever set this rig up in  that  manner
>>> again.
>>> The only thing the forestay  was  accomplishing was taking enough of
>>> the load
>>> preventing  the failure of the the lower shroud which looks like it  was
>>> shouldering most of the load.  Shrouds that carry  the load of the
>>> whole sail
>>> plan should ALWAYS be  attached to  chain-plates.
>>> 
>>> IMO-Bill needs to  bolt-seal the deck hole, get a  pulpit hanger for his
>>> anchor  and use a chain-strap on the bow to  re-attach the  forestay.
>>> 
>>> David   Culp
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org  [mailto:
>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John  Lock
>>> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 10:53 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22   Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Demasting
>>> 
>>> Clearly attaching the forestay in that  manner was dangerously
>>> inadequate.  That part of the  deck is not reinforced to handle  the
>>> loads generated by a  full jib under sail.
>>> 
>>> Since  your boat seems to  have something different about the anchor
>>> installation, you  need to consider two alternatives:
>>> 
>>> 1) Remove  the  anchor and mount it in some other fashion so the
>>> forestay and  can  be attached to a bow-mounted chainplate and  secured
>>> properly.
>>> 
>>> 2) Barring that,  you should reinforce under the deck  where the bolt
>>> passes  thru with some stiff marine plywood or a  chainplate and use  one
>>> or two big, wide fender washers under the nut  to spread  the load out.
>>> Even so, I'd be cautious about that solution   since the deck wasn't
>>> designed to do that.  You also have a  nice  hole to leak into the
>>> forepeak and deck core... sealing  will be  critical.
>>> 
>>> Come to think of it... that  may be why the rig  failed!  Water leaking
>>> thru that  mounting hole softened the deck  core and allowed the washer
>>> and nut to be pulled straight thru.   Better check that area  carefully
>>> and repair the deck core as   necessary.
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> John  Lock
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