[Rhodes22-list] Demasting

Arthur H. Czerwonky czerwonky at earthlink.net
Wed Aug 18 18:04:44 EDT 2010


I use a setup similar to what a bow sprit would look like.  The bow eye is made to the peak of the bow pulpit, and the foot of the sail would attach at the bow pulpit at this same point, probably using a furler.  Very busy geriatric foredeck!


Art


-----Original Message-----
>From: Rhodes Net <bobandkathyr22 at bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Aug 18, 2010 4:01 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Demasting
>
>A strong padeye through bolted with sturdy backing plate would be my option.
>
>Bob on R22 "NoKaOi 3"
>
>Sent from my iPhone
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>On Aug 18, 2010, at 5:42 AM, R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Hank,
>> I would want any hardware for flying a UPS attached to something a little  
>> stronger than a bolt through the deck. I want to see what his current 
>> hardware  looks like before offering any advice.
>> 
>> Rummy
>> 
>> 
>> In a message dated 8/18/2010 8:07:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
>> hnw555 at gmail.com writes:
>> 
>> Isn't  that hole where you would attach a UPS?  He always has the
>> option of  adding the UPS also.
>> 
>> Hank
>> 
>> On 8/18/10, R22RumRunner at aol.com  <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>> John and David,
>>> To be  sure, we don't really know what he has on the bow for a stay or
>>> anchor  attachment. He has promised more photo's this weekend. It will be
>>> easier
>>> to decide what to do once we know what hardware he has. I  agree, the hole
>>> needs  to be resealed and never used again. Duct  tape underneath and then
>>> fill with  epoxy gets my  vote.
>>> 
>>> Rummy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In a message dated  8/17/2010 6:23:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> jlock at relevantarts.com  writes:
>>> 
>>> Agreed,  your explanation is much clearer (and  more accurate) than
>>> mine.  I also missed the part where the nut  had actually backed  off,
>>> so maybe the deck core is sound and a  proper forestay  attachment is
>>> all that's needed.
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> John  Lock
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> s/v Pandion  - '79 Rhodes 22
>>> Lake Sinclair,  GA
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 17, 2010, at 18:03, David  Culp  wrote:
>>>> John:
>>>> 
>>>>> Clearly  attaching the forestay in  that manner was dangerously
>>>>> inadequate.
>>>> That part  of the deck is not reinforced to  handle the loads
>>>> generated by  a
>>>> full jib under  sail.>
>>>> 
>>>> A little clarification  here.  The  deck can certainly handle the load
>>>> of a
>>>> mere  jib.  I have through-bolted an eye just behind my furler for   my
>>>> new UPS
>>>> sail which is basically a light weight  155%  genoa.  It was done
>>>> correctly
>>>> with a  large  diameter bolt-eye with backing plate and the other
>>>> attach  point
>>>> is on the upper mast.  When sailing, the  deck mounting  takes some of
>>>> the
>>>> load of the UPS  but the rest is  spread to the rig.  What I think you
>>>> meant
>>>> to say  was that the deck is not designed to take the  full load of
>>>> the  whole
>>>> rig which is the mast,  boom and all the wind forces generated by  the
>>>> whole
>>>> sail plan.  That I agree with, it is not  intended  to do that  but it
>>>> speaks
>>>> to the  stoutness  of our decks that it was doing it in this case-
>>>> until   the
>>>> nut came off.  NO WAY would I ever set this rig up in  that  manner
>>>> again.
>>>> The only thing the forestay  was  accomplishing was taking enough of
>>>> the load
>>>> preventing  the failure of the the lower shroud which looks like it  was
>>>> shouldering most of the load.  Shrouds that carry  the load of the
>>>> whole sail
>>>> plan should ALWAYS be  attached to  chain-plates.
>>>> 
>>>> IMO-Bill needs to  bolt-seal the deck hole, get a  pulpit hanger for his
>>>> anchor  and use a chain-strap on the bow to  re-attach the  forestay.
>>>> 
>>>> David   Culp
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org  [mailto:
>>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John  Lock
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 10:53 AM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22   Email List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Demasting
>>>> 
>>>> Clearly attaching the forestay in that  manner was dangerously
>>>> inadequate.  That part of the  deck is not reinforced to handle  the
>>>> loads generated by a  full jib under sail.
>>>> 
>>>> Since  your boat seems to  have something different about the anchor
>>>> installation, you  need to consider two alternatives:
>>>> 
>>>> 1) Remove  the  anchor and mount it in some other fashion so the
>>>> forestay and  can  be attached to a bow-mounted chainplate and  secured
>>>> properly.
>>>> 
>>>> 2) Barring that,  you should reinforce under the deck  where the bolt
>>>> passes  thru with some stiff marine plywood or a  chainplate and use  one
>>>> or two big, wide fender washers under the nut  to spread  the load out.
>>>> Even so, I'd be cautious about that solution   since the deck wasn't
>>>> designed to do that.  You also have a  nice  hole to leak into the
>>>> forepeak and deck core... sealing  will be  critical.
>>>> 
>>>> Come to think of it... that  may be why the rig  failed!  Water leaking
>>>> thru that  mounting hole softened the deck  core and allowed the washer
>>>> and nut to be pulled straight thru.   Better check that area  carefully
>>>> and repair the deck core as   necessary.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers!
>>>> John  Lock
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